"Kill All Chechyens!"

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the world would be a better place without you, Gnab.

congratz on those thoughtful and sensitive first posts you made here on NMA, may they be your last.

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Well since Gnab is Aptyp, someone that came from Russia he has an idea about it, though his solution was tried before and didn`t worked (actually made things worse). He`s thinking of the Chechnian atrocities videos that i`ve seen too, they are awfull crimes, although i`ve see similar Russian atrocities videos. The thing Aptyp has to think is that by attacking without discretion all Checchnians Putun would be on the same moral grounds the monsters that made the siege were. I know that`s dificult but try to breath calmly and think of the spiral of events that would occur. Now it`s time fpr the international community for once to take Putin seriously (but just this once, Russian autocrats don`t have a good record) and understand the close links between Chechen rebels, drug dealers from the caspian routes and the Chechen mafia and operationals and financiers from the Al-Qaeda.

But when the west thinks of that region they only see the richesses from the mineral reserves of the Caspian Sea and the pipelines...

Now CCR please be carefull with your comparisions, since Indonesians from the Suharto days made similar things to this event, not the other way around, i have many many friends and colleagues from East Timor and that was really painfull to read.
 
Sorry, but I think it was misinterperated. My point was that East Timor gained independance, and it did not resort to killing schoolchildren, and Suharto killed alot more Timorians then Putin could even concive for Chechnyans.
 
"...Проявили слабость. А слабых - бьют. Одни хотят оторвать от нас кусок пожирнее, другие - им помогают. Помогают, полагая, что Россия - как одна из крупнейших ядерных держав - еще представляет для них угрозу. Поэтому эту угрозу надо устранить. И терроризм - это, конечно, только инструмент для достижения таких целей..."


"...We showed weakness. And the weak get beaten. Some want to rip a choicier peace off us, and others are helping them. They are helping based on their assumption that Russia (as one of the largest nuclear powers) is still a threat to them. So this thread must be eliminated. And terrorism is, if course, just a tool to achieve these objectives..."

Putin.

He does'nt mean the US, right?
 
Hmmmm....... Sounds suspicious doesn't it.

I remember when the Kursk went down a lot of the Russian military was blaming the US.
 
Well, Russian's a pretty complex language, it's not that easy to fully translate something. He could mean Iran, or one of hte Central Asian republics. Or maybe even the EU. But still.....weird.
 
Briosafreak said:
Well since Gnab is Aptyp, someone that came from Russia he has an idea about it.

Hey guess what, me too! And my family lives right on the border! Oh yeah, and my friend was an eye witness to the school siege on the last day! Maybe I know what I'm talking about too!


As for Putins speech, close enough translation. I'm not sure what he means though. Chechnya doesnt really have any international support right now and the massacre at the school certainly hasn't helped. There is of course aid leaking into Chechnya, but its like the Basques in Spain and to a lesser extent the rebels in Iraq. People going to fight because its what they do, all they need is a cause. He could mean Iran and such like CCR suggested, I'd like to see the full thing first.

Anyways, I'd put my money on him just stirring up old feelings of "Russia against the world" for when they retaliate against Chechnya. Thats going to be seen as unpopular by the international community, and hes setting them up to not care.

Sounds kinda familier doesnt it?
 
Anytime a nation takes revenge against another nation the international community cries foul no matter how justified.

Mostly becuase the UN is useless and hates any kind of decisive action.

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That sounds really hawkish in retrospect. I wasn't trying to say Russia should go in guns blazing, I was just pointing out anytime ANYONE does that the country has to brace itself for the backlash
 
That sounds really hawkish in retrospect. I wasn't trying to say Russia should go in guns blazing, I was just pointing out anytime ANYONE does that the country has to brace itself for the backlash

No, you're right, nations should be held accountable for their actions, and should be prepared for the backlash.

I don't really think what you implied is a part of the Us vs. The World thinking, though; as what Putin said is more a statement of the situation rather than whining over it.

so aptyp was banned for not feeling sorry for the russians?

Aww, Gnab get banned too?
 
Well, APTYP was temporarily banned for being a pain in a few different threads, and then after reregistering under a new handle... well, that so obviously against the rules it hurts (for him in paticular).
 
Hey guess what, me too!

I know, you`ve made it very clear earlier. I just didn`t want people to think Aptyp is a FoxNews kid, he`s Russian, also lived in Bulgaria and the day he got his american citizenship he celebrated here on NMA. When was that, 1999, 2000? Can`t remember.

Mostly becuase the UN is useless and hates any kind of decisive action.

The Security Council hates decisive action, true, although maybe sometimes that would be for the best, many times is exasperating to watch the slowness and lack of iniciative, although one must agree that it is the direct result of the will of the countries that are represented there. Now the UN is immensily useful, the UN system operates in so many levels, from helping starving populations to regulate comunications to air trafic, to education and health, etc., that call it useless is rather unfair.

so aptyp was banned for not feeling sorry for the russians?

Nope, last i heard it`s not a permanent thing and it was for a summ of events.
 
Briosafreak said:
The UN is immensily useful, the UN system operates in so many levels, from helping starving populations to regulate comunications to air trafic, to education and health, etc., that call it useless is rather unfair.

I agree and I apologize. There is much good the UN is able to accomplish and does do on a regular basis.
 
Man did this thread explode!

I cant help, but pray for the children as I wonder what Russia will do next. Will they leave Chechnya? I seriously doubt it. The also cant sit back and do nothing which tells me they will probably destroy what little is left of Chechnya...

Also, what of these Arab terrorists? I wonder how much of the blame will go to them or if it will be ignored since they were doing it for the Chechen's. Bush may use this as a reason to say the US is still not safe...

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
A small measure of good news.

My friend who drove two boys to the hospital reports they are stable and recovering. He hadn't managed to find their parents when he left, but he left his friend to continue to watch over them and look for their parents. Both boys were shot in the back at least once with one having a bullet graze his neck. Both were suffering from shock and dyhydration and had lost alot of blood. Luckily it seems nothing that will cause permanent damage. He said he got into a fight with a nurse when they tried to move the boys out becuase there wasn't enough room and they were taking up space. Eventually they had to move but he stayed with them until his friend showed up to replace him.

The news I'm starting to get is a little old, but its first hand and I'm trying to put the pieces together. More as it comes.
 
Up to 600 dead now says outlets of Russian media. They're still counting bodies. It's hard to imagine this being worse.
 
Killing kids and innocents aren't a way to gain people on your side, this whole ordeal is awfull..

I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone could go in and kill off all those kids.
 
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