Legion Appreciation Thread

Vergil said:
The issue with the NCR compared to the Legion is that they don't have the resources. They can't keep their roads safe like the Legion does, they can't guarantee safety like the Legion does. They're stretched far too thin. Also Hoover Dam is a major source of electricity that can be used to power the entire Mojave+. It's hardly a superficial gain for "private property".
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True about that, haven't thought about the resources. Having that in mind, it does make sense to support the Legion. I actually never finished the game helping the Legion, I shall do that right now! I'm very curious to see what happens to the Mojave under their rule. Actually I never went full NCR as well.

What I meant with the private property was more about the war going on. Who will be the owner of it? Every faction that has this mindset is what destroy the possibility of rebuilding society in a way it wouldn't end up resulting in nuclear war again. They are the guardians of the "War never changes" cycle in my opinion.
 
Vanguardbr said:
What I meant with the private property was more about the war going on. Who will be the owner of it?
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I don't know in depth stuff about the political nature of property ownership in the NCR or the Legion but I'm going to assume they're similar if not the same to the countries they're basing themselves off. In the NCR it'll become a part of the "public sector". It's a government owned and operated building like those in the United States. It will provide power to NCR operated lands and probably be kept up and staffed with taxes. As far as Caesar's Legion goes it'll be totally under Caesar/The next leader of the Legion's control and what he decides to do with it I'm not sure of since the Legion doesn't really mess with technology.
 
Vergil said:
The issue with the NCR compared to the Legion is that they don't have the resources. They can't keep their roads safe like the Legion does, they can't guarantee safety like the Legion does.
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Huh, no. They do have the resources. The problem is general Oliver and is wait and see strategy leaving the NCR army bottled down and underequipped (since the best weapons go straight to hoover dam) while fiends and gangsters roam free and the legion strikes from the shadows.
 
Actually the only main flaw in creating a Legion empire is the fact that Caesar is the centerpiece. As we know they have succeeded in creating law and order, in creating a strong and ruthless society and even keeping caravans safe for trade.

Also, the NCR doesn't have much resources, well if we take Hanlon's comments to be true.
 
Caesar really should have taken a note from the real Julius Caesar and adopt a kid to raise and become his heir. How he didn't see the need for some form of passing power onto someone that's not a big rage monster is beyond me.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Actually the only main flaw in creating a Legion empire is the fact that Caesar is the centerpiece. As we know they have succeeded in creating law and order, in creating a strong and ruthless society and even keeping caravans safe for trade.
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That law and order is gone the second Caesar dies has the legion succumbs to infighting.

Vergil said:
Caesar really should have taken a note from the real Julius Caesar and adopt a kid to raise and become his heir. How he didn't see the need for some form of passing power onto someone that's not a big rage monster is beyond me.
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Caesar might be smarter than the rest of his cult but he´s also very arrogant. Training an heir would mean having someone who could challenge intellectually. That´s a big no-no for him.
 
Could it be argued the Courier will take over? Depends on how you roleplay I guess.

I love the Legion because the Inon Zur Caesar's Legion theme is the only non-bland piece of music in the whole game.

I'm amazed that after five years there are still so few mods to give more content to the Legion. Yeah you've got stuff like Caesar's New Regime which gives them more armour and weapons, and Legion Expanded to give them a few more quests, but it's incredibly stupid to me that people will take the time and effort to build entire cities as add-ons to New Vegas (San Francisco and Denver) but no one has thought to just add some extra locations to that one part of the map.

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Spacemunkey said:
Can you imagine being the kid between Lanius and the throne, that's just cruel.
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If he'd started early enough the heir could be a man by Caesar's death and Lanius is strong but he can't fight the entire legion by himself...... hopefully.
mrchaos said:
Training an heir would mean having someone who could challenge intellectually. That´s a big no-no for him.
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Actually if you sell Arcade Gannon to him as a slave he enjoys having him around because someone else with great intellect and knowledge makes for much better conversation than people whose whole mindset you've given to them.
 
Vergil said:
Actually if you sell Arcade Gannon to him as a slave he enjoys having him around because someone else with great intellect and knowledge makes for much better conversation than people whose whole mindset you've given to them.
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That's fine to him. His only intellectual counterpart is still under his control, and restricted to serving him. The Courier is a fully free, equal counterpart to him - one that could rival him directly. Arcade isn't a threat. The Courier, even as a potential heir, is.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
That's fine to him. His only intellectual counterpart is still under his control, and restricted to serving him. The Courier is a fully free, equal counterpart to him - one that could rival him directly. Arcade isn't a threat. The Courier, even as a potential heir, is.
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I don't think he has a problem with having an heir, especially when you look at his current options. Let me see... Lanius, a brute monster only good at killing, exactly what Caesar does not want to lead his empire. Vulpes is the only one he would possibly choose, but I honestly fear for any person in standing between Lanius and total power.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
That's fine to him. His only intellectual counterpart is still under his control, and restricted to serving him. The Courier is a fully free, equal counterpart to him - one that could rival him directly. Arcade isn't a threat. The Courier, even as a potential heir, is.
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That's why I suggested he take on a child who shows some promise at a young age and take him under his wing.
 
Dr Fallout said:
I don't think he has a problem with having an heir, especially when you look at his current options. Let me see... Lanius, a brute monster only good at killing, exactly what Caesar does not want to lead his empire. Vulpes is the only one he would possibly choose, but I honestly fear for any person in standing between Lanius and total power.
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Well, even with a Legion victory with Caesar alive, I foresee that there would've been some form of civil war at some point anyways. If we do get that Legion victory that @Dr Fallout so sweetly dreams of, it would be an interesting angle to witness.
 
I do like the Legion. I wish we could have seen more of them, which would have happened if fucking Bethesda hadn't imposed that really short deadline on them in exchange for a bonus they never even got because of Metacritic.

The entire east side of the map, that whole blank island area thing where The Fort is was gonna have Legion towns where we could've seen the positives of Legion control. As it is in the game currently, we really only have a couple of caravaners, Raul, and Cass telling us what Legion controlled territory is like, which isn't much to go on.

Ah well, hopefully if Obsidian ever does decide to give the Fallout series another go, they'll get as much time as they need.

The only other issue I have with the Legion is, it's pretty much doomed to fail. The whole Legion isn't built around the Legion's ideology, it's built around Caesar. You never hear Legionaries talking about what makes the Legion work, it's more about them praising Caesar. Even Vulpes Inculta, basically 4th in Command of the Legion, falls under this category where rather than explaining how the Legion functions or how it could work in the Wastes, he just goes on saying how great Caesar is.

This is pretty much proven when you kill Caesar and let Lanius take over when you side with the Legion. He turns the Mojave into a Hell hole rather than a somewhat stable place. For example, if you allied with the Boomers and had them help Caesar, he'll leave them alone out of respect for helping them. However, if Caesar is dead and Lanius is in charge, he'll send literally hundreds of troops to take over the Boomers' territory in a desperate act of attrition for no reason other than he thinks they're dangerous I guess. Another example of how incompetent Lanius is is, if you get the Enclave to help Caesar, Caesar will let the Enclave go, realizing it's futile to chase after them. Lanius meanwhile will spend YEARS looking for the Enclave, wasting tons of Legion resources and men, and it's all for nothing because he doesn't find them either.
 
Vergil said:
Actually if you sell Arcade Gannon to him as a slave he enjoys having him around because someone else with great intellect and knowledge makes for much better conversation than people whose whole mindset you've given to them.
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Arcade would be smart enough to not challenge Caesar intellectually. Just give him pleasant talk. I brought him to the legion fortress and after I talked to Caesar, Arcade immediatly started to complain. I´m sure he would be smart enough not to do that while in chains.
 
Legion victory is way more interesting in story terms then NCR and Mr House victory. They're stale and predictable, and just continue the NCR's path to total control which is frankly boring, while Mr House keeps everything as it is just without the NCR and Legion. Now a Legion victory could escalate the war and could make a return to the small independent towns trying to survive.
 
If I had to choose a non-Independent ending I'd choose Legion. NCR is pretty boring culturally and is going to fail in pretty much the exact same way as Pre-War America. House is going to pretty much ignore everything but the Strip and micro manage it into his perfect little snowglobe. A Pro-Legion ending would just be a lot more interesting imo.
 
Agreed. There's no real change with Mr House and NCR. While I get the whole history repeats itself theme it doesn't make it any more fun or interesting. Now Legion... that would change MASSIVELY the whole political landscape, turning the west coast upside down.
 
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