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Ginger Snaps -

I took Kharn's advice on this one since he has suggested it. And was pleased. Ginger Snaps is a Canadian flick about two girls, sisters, who have to deal with some strange happenings when the older sister gets bit by a strange animal.

I was actually hoping the story wouldn't go right for the throat with the werewolf bit, but it does. That said it does a nice job re-inventing an old archtype especially as it regards the older sister's first menstration. Yes, menstration- how more horrorifying an idea can you get. THe older sister, whose bosum is quite apparent, is going through her first menstration at 16, she gets bit by a werewolf and starts developing the symptoms. That this happens at the same time of her "coming of age" is one of the enjoyable ironies of the film.

But the movie works best, I think, not because of the werewolf (and the monster effects are not that impressive) but because of the relationship between the sisters. They are believable.

This picks up on something we should have learned from 28 Days Later, you need to have characters that are interesting, believable and ideally, you care for them. The spatterfests of the 80s (Friday the 13th, Halloween, etc) missed this. You can't just have scores of naked co-eds getting cut up to make an effective horror films. That kind of horror borders on a voyeurism of violence. Good horror creates characters and situations that are believable and horrific.

Example- the scene were Jack Nicholson is chopping up the door in the Shining and the wife can't escape. That's terrifying and horrorifying- great horror. But you care about them because you have spent a good chunk of the movie getting to know them. This was also true in The Ring. You might not even like all the characters, but they are human- subject to both weaknesses and strength. They are not just innocent co-eds that happened to be working at the wrong camp in the wrong sequel.

Ginger Snaps does that. The two girsl are dark, into death and torture and we see them first in an array of pictures for a "death project" they are doing for school. They don't fit into the "right" crowd at school because of their darkness, but their bond is great. It is that bond that holds the film together, and which in the end makes it so effective.

Enjoyable, good pick and good recommendation Kharn.
 
Took time to catch up with some rentals and old flicks-

Ok- The Inlaws- the Michael Douglas version should be passed up. I knew this was going to suck and wasn't disappointed with how bad it was. If you want to see a great flick, catch the Peter Falk/Alan Arkin version. Much, much better.

SWAT- I wasn't overly disappointed in this. I wasn't knocked out by it either. The bad guys were fine, the good guys were fine. Looks like a sequel vehicle but not very memorable.

Underworld- remarkably enjoyable. I went to this expecting to be disappointed. I wasn't. Rich in mood and action, it's a comic book. I liked the werewolves as guys in costume. Worth watching again. Kate Beckensale was easy on the eyes. Fun flick, bring popcorn.

Mystic River- didn't live up to the hype. Didn't like Senn Penn or Tim Robbins, but I did like Kevin Bacon and thought he doesn't get enough good roles. The setting was great. It felt like Connecticutt. But overall the film has holes and didn't live up to it's possibilities.
 
welsh said:
Ok- The Inlaws- the Michael Douglas version should be passed up. I knew this was going to suck and wasn't disappointed with how bad it was. If you want to see a great flick, catch the Peter Falk/Alan Arkin version. Much, much better.

Didn't see it, for the reasons you said.

welsh said:
SWAT- I wasn't overly disappointed in this. I wasn't knocked out by it either. The bad guys were fine, the good guys were fine. Looks like a sequel vehicle but not very memorable.

True, seemed like a regular payday film for Collin Farrell, nothing more.

welsh said:
Underworld- remarkably enjoyable. I went to this expecting to be disappointed. I wasn't. Rich in mood and action, it's a comic book. I liked the werewolves as guys in costume. Worth watching again. Kate Beckensale was easy on the eyes. Fun flick, bring popcorn.

Oh come on Welsh, that movie premise had so much promise, yet failed so miserably. The head of coven vampire guy was so overacted I fast forwarded thru his scenes. They tried to do too much plot in one movie, and they didn't even stick to their prophecies. The story line was tthat the descendent needed to be bitten by both an elder vampire and an elder werewolf to become an uber-vampire-werewolf critter. Now, granted, being smitten, er bitten by Kate Beckinsale doesn't sound bad to me, but she is not an elder vampire! At lets not forget that uber-vampire-werewolf critter still got his ass kicked by the elder vampire guy. It was only after Beckinsale did an out of character super leap did she kill the elder vampire.

Which brings up how the special efffects and super powers were used so randomly, if they could all jump like she did in the last scene, why didn't they do that all the time? and beat teh shit out of the werewolf at every turn?

If the movie was like a comic book it was a supremely sucky one at best that would never have been printed; the comic books I'm aware of always keep super powers and plot lines true to themselves, which this movie didn't.


Mystic River- didn't live up to the hype. Didn't like Senn Penn or Tim Robbins, but I did like Kevin Bacon and thought he doesn't get enough good roles. The setting was great. It felt like Connecticutt. But overall the film has holes and didn't live up to it's possibilities.

True. I especially didn't like how Laurie Linney's character ended up having such an important role but was not developed at all prior to it.

Has anyone seen Intermission? Its an Irish film about a bank robbery and the characters surrounding it. A great study of human drama. It has Collin Farrel and the guy from 28 Days Later along with Colm Meaney (Star Trek). link: http://movies.go.com/movies/I/intermission_2004/index.html
 
Zatôichi - Takeshi Kitano's take on a classic character of Japanese popular culture, the blind swordsman with the title's name. I'm not familiar with the novels or the previous movies so I can't compare this movie to them. In comparison to some of Kitano's previous works, most especially his gangster movies, this one strikes me as more playful, violent swordplay is mixed with dance scenes for example. As always Kitano is a very visual director, relying as much (if not more) on gestures and facial expressions as on dialogue for character exposition and does so wonderfully. In general, the cinematography and scenery is superb. The characters feel very familiar to anyone used to watching samurai movies, complete with a village idiot, towsfolk in need, greedy bandits and a deadly ronin looking to make a living. Naturally, with some twists. Well, I've rambled too long, the movie is good, see it.
 
Azael said:
Zatôichi - Takeshi Kitano's take on a classic character of Japanese popular culture, the blind swordsman with the title's name. I'm not familiar with the novels or the previous movies so I can't compare this movie to them. In comparison to some of Kitano's previous works, most especially his gangster movies, this one strikes me as more playful, violent swordplay is mixed with dance scenes for example. As always Kitano is a very visual director, relying as much (if not more) on gestures and facial expressions as on dialogue for character exposition and does so wonderfully. In general, the cinematography and scenery is superb. The characters feel very familiar to anyone used to watching samurai movies, complete with a village idiot, towsfolk in need, greedy bandits and a deadly ronin looking to make a living. Naturally, with some twists. Well, I've rambled too long, the movie is good, see it.

Sounds interesting, unfortunately it doesn't open in th US til July. I'll see it then, though
 
I thought SWAT was atrocious. I felt the acting was really bad, and to have a SWAT team behave the way it did.... made me sad. Like in the end... *SPOIL* Why would he ever drop his gun to fight a perp hand to hand? No one would ever be that stupid.
 
welsh said:
Ginger Snaps is a Canadian flick about two girls, sisters, who have to deal with some strange happenings ...

Ehehe, sounds like Kharn recommended a chick-flick.
 
welsh said:
Underworld- remarkably enjoyable. I went to this expecting to be disappointed. I wasn't. Rich in mood and action, it's a comic book. I liked the werewolves as guys in costume. Worth watching again. Kate Beckensale was easy on the eyes. Fun flick, bring popcorn.

Murdoch said:
Oh come on Welsh, that movie premise had so much promise, yet failed so miserably. The head of coven vampire guy was so overacted I fast forwarded thru his scenes. They tried to do too much plot in one movie, and they didn't even stick to their prophecies. The story line was tthat the descendent needed to be bitten by both an elder vampire and an elder werewolf to become an uber-vampire-werewolf critter. Now, granted, being smitten, er bitten by Kate Beckinsale doesn't sound bad to me, but she is not an elder vampire! At lets not forget that uber-vampire-werewolf critter still got his ass kicked by the elder vampire guy. It was only after Beckinsale did an out of character super leap did she kill the elder vampire.

Well Murdoch, as I pointed out earlier, I went into the film with little expectation except to be disappointed by a bad film. I wasn't disappointed, but was entertained. I agree, the Victor character was overdone.

As for the prophecies- it seemed more like legend. That there was a human who could deal with both the bite of a werewolf and that of a vampire. I don't recall if the uber had to be bitten by both, only that he had to be able to survive. I agree though, that the creature proved disappointing.

Not sure if the Beckinsale move was out of character. In fact, as vampires I was kind of surprised that they didn't act more like vampires given the super-human powers that vampires are supposed to have. What? Shoot me with a bullet? I'll turn into a mist!

What impressed me was the look and the fact that the movie didn't become just campy. The look of the film, the modern gothic look, was nice. The gloomy post-industrial, urban grittiness that I liked. I liked the customes and the makeup, and the look. To a certain extent I was willing to dismiss the plot a bit, but what there was, ok, unbelievable but I'll go along with it. Truthfully, I thought the werewolves were the goodguys from the beginning. That the werewolves were like underground punks and the vampires were haugthy aristocrats seemed appropriate to me. I didn't mind the deceit and double dealing- hey these are evil creatures, remember.

Which brings up how the special efffects and super powers were used so randomly, if they could all jump like she did in the last scene, why didn't they do that all the time? and beat teh shit out of the werewolf at every turn?

That's unfair Murdoch- Remember she fell from that tower and landed on her feet without much ado. Also the fight scenes were quite extraordinary. So the big jump was, for me, not that special.

If the movie was like a comic book it was a supremely sucky one at best that would never have been printed; the comic books I'm aware of always keep super powers and plot lines true to themselves, which this movie didn't.

Like I said, I don't know about that. Comic books are after telling fun, exciting stories. I thought it Underworld did that. Unbelievable- yes. Frankly I am tired of bad werewolf and vampire films (although I have to admit that I also enjoyed Dracula 2000 - so I have a soft spot for horror films).

Murdoch- at the end I think this comes down to expectations. I didn't have great expectations going into Underworld, and wasn't disappointed. A great film? No, but it was fun. Would I rent it? Well I borrowed it from my library without cost. If it comes on HBO, it's worth taping.

In contrast- the Michael Douglas/Albert Brooks version of the Inlaws should never have been made.
 
Ok, a couple older flicks-

The Missing- Cate Blanchette and Tommy Lee Jones. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338188/

Ok, not great. Passable if you got nothing better to watch. Well, honestly I was disappointed. When I saw the previews I could have sworn they were hinting that the badguy was a shape changer that could be a wolf- kind of an Indian werewolf. That didn't happen. He turned out to be a witch, but not that impressive a witch.

Plot is simple, renegade Appache Indian Scouts decide to desert the Calvary and go South to Mexico, picking up women they plan to sell to the Indians. On the way they kill Blanchette's boyfriend, his worker and steal her daughter. Blanchette's father, Jones, who left them years ago, happens to have passed through (like just yesterday!) trying to make peace with his daughter after he went off to join the Indians. Off they go to rescue the daughter.

Etc. Tommy Lee Jones is a guy who wants to be an Indian and in the end does the leatherface, sad clown we have seen him do a few times. Blanchette is fine in the role but seems limited. Overall it's a modern western. The nice part is that they touch on discrimination against the Indians quite a bit, and it seems that only the Indians are really willing to help out Blanchette at all. Overall... forgetful.

The Recruit- Colin Ferril and Al Pacino-
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0292506/
What I liked about this movie is a bit of what I liked about SWAT. SWAT allowed you to go a bit inside the SWAT team, see how they train, etc. That was interesting, while the major story was a bit hooky. The Recruit suffers the same way.

Most of the story takes place at the CIA training facility (the one that everyone thinks exists but the CIA won't acknowledge). This is were Agents who will go into actual Clandestine Operations, go to learn the craft. That was fun. They could have done more of that. Want to learn how to do a bug, how to make a contact, how to blow up a bridge, start a revolution, make counterfeit money, assassinate, lie, betray, steal, etc.... This is the place to learn.

Al Pacino is the old CIA guy who is recruiting and training. He's fun, for the most part. Farrel is more confused here than in SWAT, because there's a lot of mind fuck being played. That said, the actual story to The Recruit is less than what it should be. It's not the best spy flick for that reason. It's fun in how it depicts how spies get trained, but the mission itself, is kind of uncompelling. While I didn't much care for the film Redford-Pitt, Spy Game, had someone been smart enough to take the best parts of both films (generally the middle), they could have had a pretty good flick. Again, wait for HBO to put it on.

Big Fish-
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319061/
Tim Burton's best film since Batman (in otherwords, probably the best film of his career). Albert Finney is great. I loved seeing Jessica Lange. Supporting Cast was fun. It's imaginary, interesting, fun, and meaningful. It does all that together. I really liked this film about a father and his son. I wish Burton's other films had been this good. My main complaint was that there wasn't more of it. I won't tell you more, because I'd rather have you go and see it for yourself. Worth the rental.
 
Ok, a couple of more.

Memorial Day Weekend in the US means war films. I didn't get to watch many, but I did catch a bit of The Battle of Britian.

There are a few good movies about war in the air but for me four have always stood out. Tora, Tora, Tora- ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/ )the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor- is mostly a story of Pearl Harbor. Midway, ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074899/ ) is overly dramatic story of the Battle of Midway and stands out only because it was one of the first moves I saw, I saw it when I was young and with my Dad- so it's sentimental for me, but an awful film for most. It could have been more. It isn't. Tragic waste. (for another all star war film that isn't bad try - Longest Day or A Bridge too Far).

That leaves two others- The Blue Max, ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060177/ ) and the Battle of Britain (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064072/) . Neither is that great a movie, but if you were to choose, go with the Blue Max for a good World War 1 film about a maverick lower class infantryman who yearns to fly and grasp the great award. I can skip the story for the air battles which are a lot of fun. Ursula Andress was also easy on the eyes but the spectacle is the air combat.

But the Battle of Britian does air battles great. The movie, overall, is an underutilization of a great cast. The cast call is a crew of English Academy Award winners that could have done so much more. But fuck that, we are there to watch the film. And the film is fun. It might not be the most accurate protrayal, but the air battles are great to watch and makes the pilots and crews more human in the telling.

If you are a World War 2 buff, see Battle of Britain for a lot of great aerial footage of combat in the sky. In that it kicks ass on Midway and Tora, Tora, Tora. If you like World War 1 flicks, check out the Blue Max, the story of a German flying ace who only covets glory. Fun flicks that get you into the cockpit. But remember, these are not movies about plot or character so much as the spectacle of air combat.

Ok, if you are not into war films- World According to Garp.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084917/
Saw it last night. Had been awhile since I saw it. I would recommend reading the book which is great. It's summer time and it's worth reading. It's also an interesting story about the role of sexual identity and relationships. And it's fun. Read the book. Then watch the film- this way you won't be disappointed. The film is good, but it would ruin a great book. Robin Williams and Glenn Close are great, but Jon Lithgow is a hoot.
 
Last movie I saw was "Fear and Loathin in Las Vegas" makes me wanna go out and read the book..GREAT visuals..

and its still a harrowing tale about "the death of the american dream" and it has a few very touching parts("The Wave Speech" and "The Timothy Leary Speel") for a movie that was supposedly all about drugs

This movie inspired me to learn about Hunter S. Thompson and I actually ended up getting his Autobiography.

Personally I am kinda sick of all the superhero movies

if you wanna make one..make a Deadpool Movie...c'mon..if you read the comic you know it would make a good Action/Comedy..kinda like a spoof on all the recent Superhero movies
 
I saw Harry Potter 3 today. I'd have to say it was the best of the films so far. Cuaron did a good job. I really like Gary Oldman, but he didn't get as much screen time as I would have hoped. Only problem was, I had to sit in the second row of the theater so my neck is wicked sore.
 
King of Creation said:
I saw Harry Potter 3 today. I'd have to say it was the best of the films so far. Cuaron did a good job. I really like Gary Oldman, but he didn't get as much screen time as I would have hoped. Only problem was, I had to sit in the second row of the theater so my neck is wicked sore.


You know, perhaps I should rent the Harry Potter movies after all. A lot of people keep telling me the like them, so perhaps I should give them a chance.

The only problem is that last summer, when I was a leader on a camp for mentally handicapped children, I had to play Harry Potter every afternoon for two goddamn weeks...

So I kinda loath the guy...
 
Harry Potter- the first one was damn long, the second one was ok, but kind of like a Bond sequel. The third one is supposed to be better. I'll wait for it on HBO.

I liked Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and it's a great way to get interested in fiction.

I saw Coup de torchon only because Jom Thompson wrote the book. Much liked.

Lately been seeing a lot of chick flicks- this is what happens in marriage. Mona Lisa Smile = Dead Poet's Society with chicks. Love Actually, was actually kind of fun. Loved the heroin addict 50s rock and roller, but Hugh Grant as Englism PM, is kind of like Arnold Schwartzenner as US president.... well he is governor.
 
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