SarcasticGoodGuy
*R O T T E N*
Does it matter what gender you are so long as you are a capable leader? No.
Plus there's all of us Brits with May. So add us to your list.
Muuuuuuuslim Baaaaaan! But don't call it that!
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Plus there's all of us Brits with May. So add us to your list.
Maybe on the surface gender doesn't matter. But actually, it does when you look at leading positions.
Germany adviced companies to hire more women in leading positions of large companies. Even after a decade, nothing happend. Up to the point where they made it a law that 30% of the females in the leadership of the 5 DAX companies, should be females. And now you have well 30% females in there. Other companies, got only the advice to set the limit where they want it to be, so there was no law or anything. And what have most done? Set it to 0%. So progressive ...
Research shows, that males simply prefer to give positions to well ... other males, which isn't so much because of sexism - that is just a minority really, but simply because when we're looking for applicants, we often look for traits that we (like to) see in our self, in other words, we chose often a male for a job, because we think he is best suited for the job of leading a company. And Why? Because we are doing the same job, and most believe that they're doing a great job.
So if you want females to have equal chances to apply for leading positions, you need females that actaully can get them there. In other words, someone has to make the start, or you just end up in a chicken-egg situation, where you never have really many females in leading positions, because there are no females that could get them there.
I am not sure how the research is about females though, and if they have the same criteria like males when it comes to chosing applicants, where they prefer females - but it wouldn't surprise me, It sounds logical that you go for your own gender first in such situations.
Germany adviced companies to hire more women in leading positions of large companies. Even after a decade, nothing happend. Up to the point where they made it a law that 30% of the females in the leadership of the 5 DAX companies, should be females. And now you have well 30% females in there. Other companies, got only the advice to set the limit where they want it to be, so there was no law or anything. And what have most done? Set it to 0%. So progressive ...
Research shows, that males simply prefer to give positions to well ... other males, which isn't so much because of sexism - that is just a minority really, but simply because when we're looking for applicants, we often look for traits that we (like to) see in our self, in other words, we chose often a male for a job, because we think he is best suited for the job of leading a company. And Why? Because we are doing the same job, and most believe that they're doing a great job.
So if you want females to have equal chances to apply for leading positions, you need females that actaully can get them there. In other words, someone has to make the start, or you just end up in a chicken-egg situation, where you never have really many females in leading positions, because there are no females that could get them there.
I am not sure how the research is about females though, and if they have the same criteria like males when it comes to chosing applicants, where they prefer females - but it wouldn't surprise me, It sounds logical that you go for your own gender first in such situations.
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CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
She might be mayor of New York soon.
I'm pretty much there with you but my general thoughts on the subject are the Democratic Party had the belief Hillary was a polarizing figure but one who was still a strong candidate. I remind you, Hillary lost in the same way Al Gore lost to George W. Bush in nickles and dimes rather than dollars. Much like Russia, the USA is a centralized Republic which is actually de facto a federation of smaller subject countries. So losing in multiple republics is worse than losing overall the popular vote (for our non-American readers).
Hillary lost by nickles and dimes in multiple states, which is the big problem there. A lot of the people who didn't vote for her wouldn't have voted for her anyway even if there's a very good possibility Bernie (Who the Senior Democrats loathe the politics of--he's a political outsider to the Far Left of their platform) or Joe Biden (who had very good reason not to run) would have won.
Really, though, Hillary might have pulled through had she just not made a classicist mistake of ignoring the Rust Belt and American worker--which a lot of people say she didn't but she did since she didn't even bother campaigning in Michigan at the end. If she'd just hammered a stimulus package for American industry there and talked about rescuing Detroit (everyone wants to rescue Detroit--no one spends any money to do so), she'd be President now.
Not that I'd think that a great thing.
Current prospects for 2020 I see as Joe Biden or Caroline Kennedy.
To be honest, Bernie would have won the Democrat vote if not for the fact the party had deliberately freezed him out. Also, Bernie said a lot of stuff contradictory to the "blacks know what it's like to be poor" stuff that appealed to rural Appallachian voters like the people in my area. Certainly, nothing he said was any weirder than Trump. Bernie's talk of socialism is also no worse than Canada or Europe. You know, people who helped us against the communists.
GOD, NO. Jesus, enough with the centrist candidates! It's always Centrist Democrat leaning Right versus Radical Insane Right idealogues. Can we get people talking about actual Left positions! It's part of why I disdain the Clintons and Obama so damn much.
I recommend the Netflix available documentary, "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room" for a look at corporate culture as well. Both American and Chinese corporate culture also has well, an astonishingly large amount of dude-bro behavior for a bunch of college-educated geniuses. Meetings conducted in strip clubs, causal use of prostitutes at parties, and sexual harassment. The culture of machismo which defines the idea of male businessmen as successes because they're badasses certainly doens't help.
It also is notable a lot of upper end business across the country is done by Old Boy Networking. My late father was a millionaire who was invited to the Bushs' parties (along with thousands of other parties) and it was dudes as far as the eye could see.
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Yeah, now that you mention it ... the car manufacture BMW - but they are by far not the only one - had this habbit of doing 'celebrations' with hookers, no clue if their company was the one that did it in Brazil or Eastern Europe.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
Near as I can tell, they do that almost everywhere. Businessmen's conventions are like Christmas for the call girl.
They could get the call girls into the company though. That way there are females in leading positions, and the guys can continue with their fun parties!
WIN FOR EVERYONE!
WIN FOR EVERYONE!
TheGM
The voice of reason
what message would that be.
"See, women aren't the solution for everything, they can fuck up, too"
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
We've only had right wing oligarchs as presidents here, anyone surprised government is so corrupt here?
CaptJ
The Rival of Roquefort Hall
- Race is something that you can never change but it doesn't indicate much about a person.
- Religion is something that you can change (unless you are at certain parts of the Middle East) and indicate what you believe in.
- Social Class is something that does change. People become rich and poor all the time. There are rich Black people. There are poor White people.
That must be a lot of racist Obama voters.
Politics is extremely polarized. The best solution that I could think of is ranked voting system where people not only give their preferred option but a ranking of the most preferred to the least preferred. This would discourage tactical voting and give an advantage for being someone's second choice.
I also imagine a Neutral party with news reporter saying in a dry voice "This state is turning Beige."
Didn't Hitler say “The Jews are undoubtedly a race, but they are not human.”?
You know how it is meant.
And I love European members that only want to reap the benefits without ever taking responsibility and when shit hits the fan in THEIR nation, using the EU as a scapegoat. Dude, you can blame Merkel, Islam or the EU for all the shit that YOUR dumb politicans do, but that doesn't change that what happens in your nation, isn't Merkels fault or the EUs doing.
We can make a deal, if that is ok for you. You don't care about any refugees and never ever taking ANY Muslim in your little nation, and in turn the EU cuts EVERY subsidy and advantage you get in economic deals. That ok for you?
The nerve people have talking about entitltment while sucking on the tits of the EU, while stealing jobs that a good and true arian german could get! *this is irony by the way*.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
You ignored the part where I said people didn't vote for Trump because of race, so I'm wondering what you're at.
Am I needed in this conversation?
Am I needed in this conversation?
CaptJ
The Rival of Roquefort Hall
You didn't explicitly say that it wasn't about race. In fact, you keep insinuating that large portion of the voter base is racist. If it isn't about race, then how are they racist? Also, it feels like you only skimmed my posts.
I was trying to tell you that the fact that 'Religion' isn't a race, didn't stop the Nazis or pretty much anyone else in history, to treat it like one.
Because let us be honest here, when people hear 'Muslim' they really think almost always, 'Arab', brown people, those middle easterns. When it comes to christianity, we tend to think about it as religion, simply because christian beliefs are the largest christian religion in western nations, like France, Germany and of course the US. But Muslims are a minority in the US and the European Union, and that minority has often roots in Iran, Pakistan and many other states from the middle east. So people often don't see it in the same way, they see christians. The idea of even banning christians based on the crimes christians do, would seem ludicrous to us, while it is openly discussed with Islam and Muslims, particulary these days.
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Supreme Shah Ismail
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Funny enough despite being Iranian and due to my skin complexion (most Iranians are olive skin or out right white opposed to brown) ive been assumed to be Italian, Russian and etc. One strange person in particular thought I was from Uzbekistan, I then asked him where Uzbekistan was on the map and he did not know. Regardless yes generally the idea for Muslims is arab guys in turban with long gross beard or Women in black burqas.
Yeah you know, sometimes I seriously consider to tell people that I am muslim, just to see their reaction, as I totally look like a typical German, and I speak the language fluently, people are often surprised when they hear my name, which is a serbian name and that is usually when they ask 'ho? From where are you'. The fact that I am born in Germany, is of little relevance here ... not that people mean this in a bad way, it's just how we think, how we're wired, we are very tribal creatures. Now, a name isn't something that you really see emidiately, so this gives me a clear advantage when I meet new people. I don't want to know what kind imagination people have if I would be black or looking like an arab, particularly if I would also have an accent. If I remember corretly people just need a coule of seconds to already form their opinion about you, and if you don't look like 'they' do, then you have already a disadvantage, unless they actually had a lot of contact with those people in the past.
I mean even I think sometimes like that, when someone told me that the boy we have in our group at the school where I am working, was a muslim I was a bit surprised, since he is child from serbian parents, and in serbia most people are christians, well orthodox christians to be precisse.
I mean even I think sometimes like that, when someone told me that the boy we have in our group at the school where I am working, was a muslim I was a bit surprised, since he is child from serbian parents, and in serbia most people are christians, well orthodox christians to be precisse.
valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
That's hard to believe Crni, since Germans took their fair share of muslims from all across the globe in the last fifty years. Including thousands Chechnyan muslims in the past two decades after Chechnyan wars, and they definitely don't look as turban wearing Arabs. Your'e making this shit up again, don't you? 
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Yeah, I am totally making this up. People mistaking one group for another. It never happens. Totally unheard of. No one is that dumb, right?
There are between 3 and 4 million Turks in Germany, and it happens very often that Iranians, Afghans, Pakistani etc. are simply mistaken for Turks. How do I know that? From anekdotal evidence, of talking to Turks and well the other Immigrants I meet over my live, like during the time when I had a part time job at MC Donalds, one of our shift foreman was from Pakistan, and he often complained about the fact, how many people mistook him for a Turkish person. Again, this often doesn't happen with some malicious intend, not at all, most of the time it isn't. It just happens that people simply don't know it. Neither do I, how could I? You don't see it always all over the face of someone, if he's now from Germany or Norway, or if someone is from Iran or Iraq or Turkey. And I can also tell you, that in the last 30+ years the largest groups of Muslims I know, are turks. That goes back from my home town, a rather small and rural location, to the big city where I live now. Even in the school where I am working now, Turkish children, are the largest group among all muslims. The second largest group of immigrants in Germany are Yugoslavians, like Serbians, Croatians etc. with I think around 1 or 1,5 million people, after that Italians I think, but I would have to look that up again.
You can now believe me, or don't. It doesn't matter. But the largest muslim group in Germany ARE simply Turks. And There is a Kebab store at almost every corner in Germany, and it is often run by arabian looking people. And we have the media, that often talks about Islam in relation with the Arabian world or Turkey. Is it so far fetched to assume that many Germans think about Islam = Arabia/Turkey?
There are between 3 and 4 million Turks in Germany, and it happens very often that Iranians, Afghans, Pakistani etc. are simply mistaken for Turks. How do I know that? From anekdotal evidence, of talking to Turks and well the other Immigrants I meet over my live, like during the time when I had a part time job at MC Donalds, one of our shift foreman was from Pakistan, and he often complained about the fact, how many people mistook him for a Turkish person. Again, this often doesn't happen with some malicious intend, not at all, most of the time it isn't. It just happens that people simply don't know it. Neither do I, how could I? You don't see it always all over the face of someone, if he's now from Germany or Norway, or if someone is from Iran or Iraq or Turkey. And I can also tell you, that in the last 30+ years the largest groups of Muslims I know, are turks. That goes back from my home town, a rather small and rural location, to the big city where I live now. Even in the school where I am working now, Turkish children, are the largest group among all muslims. The second largest group of immigrants in Germany are Yugoslavians, like Serbians, Croatians etc. with I think around 1 or 1,5 million people, after that Italians I think, but I would have to look that up again.
You can now believe me, or don't. It doesn't matter. But the largest muslim group in Germany ARE simply Turks. And There is a Kebab store at almost every corner in Germany, and it is often run by arabian looking people. And we have the media, that often talks about Islam in relation with the Arabian world or Turkey. Is it so far fetched to assume that many Germans think about Islam = Arabia/Turkey?
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valcik
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I'd never have assumed that. Young kids perhaps, not grown up Germans following politics at least marginally. These are funny times we live in!
CaptJ
The Rival of Roquefort Hall
Jewish people are largely considered a race mostly because they consider themselves a race.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/beliefs/conversion.shtmlBBC said:
Also, this is from The New York Times Manual of Style and Usage.
From where I am from, most Muslims are not Arabs. Nobody thinks that the Abu Sayyaf isn't dangerous because they aren't Arabs. They are still radical Muslims.