Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
What is a "Mutatant"?
NCR, Enclave, FEV Curling-13 (and mutants)
- Thread starter Quagmire69
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This ghoul has seen it all
White Knight
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
Wait, what do uniforms have to do with anything?
White Knight
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
I thinks hes implying the NCR are like the chinese goverment.
The uniforms look like I World War Uniforms, and The helmets look like those wared by the British in the WWII.
The NCR does not really hate mutants,[spoiler:4b950e7043] if you help Marcus develop a cure to schizophrenia than the ending states that Jacobstown becomes a safe haven for mutants, and If i remember correctly they'l have a good relation with the NCR [/spoiler:4b950e7043]
The NCR does not really hate mutants,[spoiler:4b950e7043] if you help Marcus develop a cure to schizophrenia than the ending states that Jacobstown becomes a safe haven for mutants, and If i remember correctly they'l have a good relation with the NCR [/spoiler:4b950e7043]
Re: NCR and Mutatants
Liberal and multicultural? You mean like they turn a blind eye to you beating a squatter from Vault 15 for information? Or pressure Vault City to join the Republic by hiring New Reno mercenaries for a campaign of terror? If I recall, there's one (1) mutant in NCR downtown, namely Gaunt, an NCR Ranger incidentally, and another in the Bazaar, a favourite of Merk, the Shady Sands crimeboss.
The NCR are a powerful bunch, but they sure as hell aren't liberal or multicultural.
Quagmire69 said:
Liberal and multicultural? You mean like they turn a blind eye to you beating a squatter from Vault 15 for information? Or pressure Vault City to join the Republic by hiring New Reno mercenaries for a campaign of terror? If I recall, there's one (1) mutant in NCR downtown, namely Gaunt, an NCR Ranger incidentally, and another in the Bazaar, a favourite of Merk, the Shady Sands crimeboss.
The NCR are a powerful bunch, but they sure as hell aren't liberal or multicultural.
Quagmire69 said:
Marcus tells you a lot about that. As for ghouls, well why would they care. They aren't massive monsters as Super Mutants are, you don't really need an explanation there.
Quagmire69 said:
Legion couldn't take over the dam and that's a fact. And i didn't play Legion ending but believe me, 10 Black Armored Rangers with Brush Guns are a lot more to take in than Legion soldiers who can be dodged when they attack like lunatics. NCR sends low class troops first because of obvious reasons, you don't send elite team to a minor battle, only in major one. But then again Hanlon says Mohave is a death trap.
BoS in Mohave is different, there is no Unity Soldiers organized enough else we would face another mass extinction in Fallout world, same goes for Enclave. Legion and NCR could never compare to them, and why do you compare them all anyway when they belong to a different timeline.
If NCR, now as it is, hypothetically would fight against BoS/Enclave/Super Mutants they would lose miserably, but would hold out a lot more than the Legion maniacs.
Quagmire69 said:
Hello to the capitalism baby. If the Chinese were so bad there wouldn't be an all out war. So stop calling anyone underleveled because of how one of their troop looks. Put NCR bandoleer armor on Enclave soldier and give him a pistol and he's dead like most of them. I think NCR has more balls without any equipment than any other out there with either power armor or super mutant fev injection.
And Arcade is not a warrior. He's a doctor.
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
It was the funnist
They care about slaves and mutants, that liberal for the wasteland.
Yea, that was pretty cool of them.
That was the NCR from fallout 2 though when some of them even seemed to like the enclave. In vegas it appears they went soft.
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
Quagmire69 said:
O...kay? But that's not the point. You said:
to prove that the NCR is like the Chinese and the Russian.
The Enclave tried to kill everyone including the NCR citizens but you are saying that the NCR shouldn't hunt them down because they are the remnants of the pre-war gov.? What?
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
The modified FEV virus was act of desperation when it looked like mutants would overwhelm humanity. The virus was would kill of all mutants and the humans that would be affected by it would be collateral damage. I say this even though the NCR has no knowledge of the project. They took out Navarro because it was a threat to tier dominance in California, not for any ideological reason. And besides, its been 80 years, its not like those planing to release it are even alive save for a computer in the west that the enclave actually tries to stop, and for whom a new member of the Brotherhood is the best hope.
I think your on to something, the NCR is part of a general degradation of humanity from the great war onward, you see people fighting with more primitive weapons each, year, not making everything worthwhile, just using up the prewar stuff, in another 80 years their by using sharp rocks for spear points. The
The NCR wants to enjoy the fruits of the past without contributing to the future, the Legion wants to except a retrograde humanity and move forward, believing they have to start with the basics. House is probably the only one who can restart humanity with a diminished Enclave and Brotherhood.
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
Quagmire69 said:
Not true. If they thought that mutants would overwhelm humanity I wonder why humans were faring quite well, with organized societies and even a republic. They wanted to kill all the mutants (included humans) because they saw them as abominations and because it was the quicker way to reclaim "their" land.
Could be but I don't think so. The Chosen One, his tribe, the V13 survivors, Marcus and others knew of it and I doubt they kept the secret for themselves.
It's 40 years, not 80. In NV the remnants were part of the Enclave during the events of FO2.
And, still, why shouldn't they hunt them down? From their POV they are war criminals which, again, TRIED TO KILL THEM ALL. How can they be sure they wouldn't try something like that again?
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
The plan began during fallout 1. The Midwest also appears to be the human stronghold of the country. Look at fallout 3 or tactics if you dought that mutants are still a threat. The Captial Wasteland Brotherhood is losing a war of attrition against the super mutants in the same way the lost a war of attrition against the NCR, the mutants have no problem replacing their losses, they just dip more wastelanders in fev, the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood has no way of getting more power Armour or tech save for raiding vaults or the Enclave. Remember both the Outcasts and President Eden believed that Lyons would lose his war against the Mutants.
Quagmire69 said:
With this I totally agree.
Quagmire69 said:
And that's the problem with Fallout 3 "storyline". There is no FEV to create Unity like Super Mutants. They made new "Vaulted experimented FEV" which created ugly looking Bethesda™ Mutants and placed them there for fun.
They will die out like the rest. They can't reproduce. And where in Fallout did you hear or had been ever given a hint that Mutants actually dip wastelanders into VAT after the Master (canon)?
Which VAT facility, since the only one is destroyed? Mutant "scientist" creating new batch of FEV? Maybe for Bethesda.
All the Mutants you ever saw in the game are as it is created by Richard Grey or the Master, they go on a run when the main facility is destroyed and that's it, until every single one of dead is either dead or hiding.
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Face it, fallout 3 is cannon.
You must not have paid much attention, remember the irradiated vualt where the mutants were coming from, vats of fev. Remeber how one of the guols of underworld commented on how the muties never tak gouls, thats cause fev only works on normals.
Honestly I think the mutants are what makes F3 interesting. The enclaves plan of course is far to drastic, but the desperate war against the mutants makes it so its hard to see them as the monsters you see them as in F2. Ever play the tempeny tower mission and solve it peacebly. The Gouls precede to slaughter all humans only sparing burk and complementing him the destruction of "THAT SMOTHSKIN RATHOLE" that was megaton. Thats what adds the moral ambuguity because the enclave and the brotherhood are so simalar, and so compelling. Honestly I admired both sides in F3. In new vegas they all seemed to suck. Thats not ambuiguity thats just lousy choices
The Super Mutants in F3 were hardly like those in Fallout 1 and 2. It's a different strand of FEV, unable to create superior, highly intelligent muties like Lou.
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
Quagmire69 said:
Proof of that? I don't remember the game giving dates on that and 40 years to come up with a plan like that seem a bit too much to me.
Lyon's BOS is losing a war of attrition because they are idiots (in 20 years they haven't found out the source of the SMs...) and because in a depopulated area like the post-war DC they can't gather enough troops.
The west BoS lost the war against the NCR because they are isolationist idiots.
It has nothing to do with the SMs being unbeatable.
Also, if we are to believe the Fallout Wiki, the Enclave sent its scouts in California so it's not like they knew what was going on the other side of the continent.
That's bullshit. The SMs needs two things to replace their losses:
1)non-heavily irradiated humans (a not so common commodity in the capital wasteland, especially considering that they kill and eat a lot of potential candidates)
2)FEV (which, by the time of FO3, they are running out of)
Also according to Bethesda the BoS has found in the bowels of the pentagon "enough pre-war technology and weaponry to keep Lyons’ forces going indefinitely".
Quagmire69 said:
If Fallout 3 is cannon it's a paradox, because it denies F1 and F2.
Mutants in Capital Wasteland didn't come from the Vats, not the Masters anyway if you wanna go that way. Bethesda Mutants are born dumb as shit, it's impossible for them to do the same as Lou did. And if the Enclave cannot make another Frank Horrigan how can a dumbass Mutant do that?
So tell me, what part of cannon in Failout 3 should i accept?
DLC or Vanilla?
I don't care what Beth says, they can go fuck themselves for all i care. If i hypothetically bought Fallout franchise and said Pokemons created FEV would you accept it as a cannon?
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
I don't see how it contradicts it any more the NV does. Look its impossible to have complex storie like falllout, with seven different games being produced and not have any contridictions. Does that mean we should just play the same old two dimemensional low graphics game that was great for its time and say that all future games are not being true to the story? Should we not make anymore of a superb series to preserve the purity of these two games?
The vats in the vault, not the unity vats, the ones in the irradiated vault, and by the way the BOS are not idiots,. Irradiated humans work, thier just dummer than flat rocks, but that does'nt matter because the BOS will run out of power armour and people with the skill to use long before they run out of FEV. Why do you think that the Outcast left, its not because lyons is too nice, its because they think he'll get them killed with little to no gain.
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
You are right. But there's a difference between small inconsistencies (what creates ghouls?) and big, obvious ones, done without regards to continuity (the FO3 GECK, Vault-tec being involved with the FEV).
Have you played the game? The SMs in Vault 87 say that they are running out of FEV, so it's only a matter of time before the east coast BoS wipe them out. And if it's not the BoS sooner or later they will disapappear anyway because every loss they take can't be replaced.
And the BoS has all the Power Armours they need. Again, official infos.
The Outcasts left because Lyon betrayed the BoS credo (the search of technology). Which happened because Lyon had become too nice.
Quagmire69
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
And thier looking for more.
They don't have people who are skilled at its use. All they have are wasteland borderline tribal recruits and the occasional vault dweller.
Just look at the wasteland, the mutants probably already have the numbers they need. How many of the Brotherhood do you see compared to the mutants. You seem to be overlooking what everyone says throughout the game. The unending tide of green. Everone you meet from Eden, to the lowliest wastelander will tell you that the mutants are unstopable. Listen to the loyal bos. Morale is low, and many are deserting to the outcast.
By the way I don't think lyons is nice, if he was nice he would have the brotherhood educating underprevleged children in rivit city. The temple of union people even say themselves that the brotherhood turn a blind eye to slavery. He has no problem sending out undertrianed wastelanders initiates to die in droves. If thats not enogh look at what they did to the pitt, killing off the majority of the city, looting, and taking the non mutant children and raising them as soldiers. The Enclave would be proud. For all his talk of caring Lyons sees the average wastelander as a human sandbag against a supermutant master. Not that thier wrong in this.