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[Mick1965]

Actually, it's pretty damn good.

- Absolutely terrible controls.

- Loads of crashing.

- REALLY bad vehicle handling compared to 3/VC/SA.

- Broken auto-targeting.

But... it's still pretty damn good!

GTA4 is a good game that ropes you in. So it's not the best shooter or the best car driving simulator, but the characters, story and environment are supurb. Let's not forget that FO 1 & 2 didn't have the best combat or inventory management, and I would often curse when a stupid follower stood in a doorway and blocked you from exiting a room, and yet they were 2 of the best games I've ever played. Their deficiences were only minor annoyances that didn't detract from my enjoyment of the games at all.

Mick

 

[Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude]

But... it's still pretty damn good!


Mick

The point I was making is that almost every big-name review publication threw their integrity out the window, and gave a game with many flaws a PERFECT rating. The same reviewers that routinely drop other games down a few points for having the exact same issues.

As for Fallout/2; if they had been handed 10s despite their many problems then yes, that would be a valid comparison.

 

[Mick1965]

Despite all of the 10s being handed out like candy, GTA4 is mediocre at best

The point I was making is that almost every big-name review publication threw their integrity out the window, and gave a game with many flaws a PERFECT rating. The same reviewers that routinely drop other games down a few points for having the exact same issues.

As for Fallout/2; if they had been handed 10s despite their many problems then yes, that would be a valid comparison.

You said that GTA4 is mediocre at best, which I disagree with, but that's subjective.

Considering I would rate the game very highly I can understand others doing the same, so the reviews don't bother me too much in this case. I can look past the flaws because I'm enjoying it so much, which is the point I was trying to make about FO. A game can have flaws but still be very good. A lot of people consider FO to be up there with the best, if not the best, despite all it's flaws. How would you rate FO?

On the other hand, if you were to use Oblivion as an example of a game that was very much overated, and also underdelivered, then I would agree wholeheartedly with you. And it looks as though FO3 is going the same way considering reviewers are talking it up based on a presentation-style demo of the game.

Mick

 

[Brother None]

On the other hand, if you were to use Oblivion as an example of a game that was very much overated, and also underdelivered, then I would agree wholeheartedly with you. And it looks as though FO3 is going the same way considering reviewers are talking it up based on a presentation-style demo of the game.

That's a facetious argument because it all comes down to personal opinion.

My problem isn't and never has been that people like Oblivion. My problem is that professional game reviewers completely failed to make note of very prominent flaws, including its buggy state upon release, its flawed AI and its broken level scaling system.

That's like reviewing Gothic 3 and not mentioning it has bugs. You can still love the game despite the bugs, no problem, but not mentioning them is stupid.

Same goes for any flaws GTA IV may or may not have (haven't played it)

 

[Mick1965]

That's a facetious argument because it all comes down to personal opinion

I don't have a problem with people liking Oblivion. My comments were more about the reviews. I was trying to point out to Phil that Oblivion would have been a better example to use rather than GTA4.

So GTA4 has some flaws, so what. As long as they don't detract from the game they don't really matter. GTA4 can still be a great game despite its flaws (as were FO 1 & 2), as opposed to Oblivion where the flaws had a major impact on the game.

Mick