NFL 2010

Brother None said:
Interesting how they actually used a lot of former soccer players as kickers, like Werdekke, or whatever his name was.
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IIRC they had a rule that each team had to have at least one local on their roster, and due to preexisting skillsets it usually ended up being a kicker.
Peter King said:
On the New Jersey/New York Super Bowl: Notice I put New Jersey first. That's because the 2014 Super Bowl would be played in New Jersey.
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Why do people feel the need to point this out all the time like it's some conspiracy or sign of superior geographic knowledge?
"Well you know actually they play in New Jersey." So what?
You drive from Manhattan to Newark, there is no end to one and beginning to the other. It's all part of the same sprawl numbnuts.
Would it make you feel better Peter if they spelled out New York Metropolitan Area every fucking time ad nauseum? I never knew it took so much effort to be dense.

Oh Yeah:
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I'm more stoked about Celts/Lakers again for the Championship than Welker though.


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Congrats to NYC, and score one for the Anti NFL Pussification Assoc. (membership = me).
Like we need another SB in shithole non-cities like Jacksonville, Indy and Tampa just so the overprivileged corporate pukes can get in a couple rounds of golf. Do people honestly think those three cities combined could host a better party than NYC?

The only way this could work out better is if some northern weather team crushes some faggoty-ass indoor homos. I hope we see more weather bowls, Chicago, GB, NE, Philly, even mid-Atlantics like DC, BAL all that. Let the arena league play indoors and the big boys play outdoors, this isn't baseball or soccer.
 
GB should be owed 6 at least. Maybe they should award the game to previous winners, or just LA every year.

I love how the only opposition to this is the lack of posh accommodations for the parasites that feed off the bloated host that is the SB. You never hear fans say they'd be opposed to a GB SB. It's always the press against it because they might be personally inconvenienced somehow. How dare we expect them to forgo a 2 week expense paid trip to Miami, AZ, or NOLA!

I think cold weather SB is a good move. Hopefully it will force a lot of these faggoty dome teams to become more complete and versatile instead of MIN/MAX-ing themselves into Arena League teams.

But it's a QB league? So?
Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers don't play in these conditions all the time? How are their numbers looking? Brady threw what, a record breaking 5 TDs in one QTR in the snow last year?
Comparing dome QBS to these guys is like giving Kobe Bryant an eight-foot basket and a mini-Nerf ball and comparing him to Paul Pierce.
Stop hiding these coddled little homos in their climate controlled environments (with crowd noise pumped in) and let them play football like real men. This isn't baseball, dealing with the elements is a strategic part of football.


Meanwhile the thing nobody has the brains to acknowledge is why "the fix was in for NYC". The sports media is amazing in it's ignorance.

Many years ago, it was Giants owner Wellington Mara who came up with the idea of revenue sharing. Yeah, the owner from the biggest TV market in the country put forth the idea that the big markets should share TV revenue equally with the little markets for the good of the league. He did so at great expense to himself obviously, but laid the foundation for the growth and success of the modern NFL.

That's what keeps the league as a whole strong, that's what separates the NFL from MLB. Sharing the nat'l TV contract equally in order to keep the league growing and more competitive.
The other owners are well aware of this and the NYC SB has to be acknowledgment to the Mara family.

It has nothing to do with the Jets who probably hurt NYC's bid.
 
Lots of Bucs fans seem to be opposed to a cold Super Bowl because it's not a neutral site. I disagree, because I think the weather is a part of the game, but it's not true that fans think it's all good.
 
Obviously Bucs fans don't, they want it to be in friggin' Tampa.

Other than fans from the traditional Superbowl hosts, I don't think many will complain. Just the Florios of the world.
 
Clearly SB site is all that's holding the Bucs back.

Florio. He's not even worth criticizing, he does fine displaying how much of a tool he is all on his own on a fairly daily basis. I do however love the reader comments on PFT, always good for a laugh. You can telegraph the knee-jerk responses from a mile away just by reading the headlines.
 
I wonder if Dennis heard the footsteps?
Would rather remember him as counter-culture icon than corporate shill though.


On cold weather SBs.

Sabol predictably panders to the heart with his well honed melodrama:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8184f9d4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
The Super Bowl is not a reward. It is a proving ground.

All season long, teams must show their mettle in sunny San Diego and soaked Seattle, on muddy Midwestern lawns and on fields so frozen they become legend. Many a conference championship has been won in cold weather. Who is to say that the champion of such a sport cannot be determined in a similar climate two weeks later?
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While ANS hits your mind with stats:
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2008/01/cold-weather-effect-on-scoring.html
 
While a Green Bay SB would be incredibly entertaining, it's never going to happen. Green Bay is just not physically big enough to accommodate an event that size. I don't think so, anyway. Soldier Field would work, though. Be pretty cool, actually.
 
There's something really imposing about Soldier Field, I miss that old Greco-Roman edifice that used to be on top. That was bad-ass. LA Coliseum too.
Foxboro is in the same boat as G.B, maybe worse. Older stadium, poor infrastructure, not enough posh accommodations for the nat'l press, nearest city is actually Providence, RI. Patriots always used to hold camp in RI at my alma mater, was good times during the Parcells/Bledsoe days.
 
Brother None said:
UniversalWolf said:
Green Bay is just not physically big enough to accommodate an event that size.
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Tampa is? It's a shithole.
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But a warm shithole with much better public transportation access than Green Bay.
 
Warm? Try humid as balls.

Jacksonville is worse, I'm not sure why such a dinky city (#47 media market at 680K TV homes) ever got an NFL franchise and hosted a SB to begin with. They are pretty much a lame duck franchise, Buffalo (#52 & 630K) too. Look at that clump there of Jax, Memphis, NOLA and Buffalo ranked between 47-52).

And again, fair, wealthy, cities with an actual NFL pedigree (Giants played at Yale Bowl in 70s) like lovely, robust, vibrant Hartford/New Haven (#30 @1,000K) get the shaft. We also produced HOF types Steve Young, Bill Romanowski, Dwight Freeney, John Carney, Floyd Little, Eugene Robinson - not bad for a basketball town.
I hope some asshole took a financial bath on the JAX call.

I'm anti-expansion too. I hope LA gets a franchise, but not at the expense of watering down the league. Look how weak the MLB, NHL and MLB are overall. They'll sell a franchise to anyone.

Throw Canada a bone though, move Buffalo to Toronto, they'll go nuts. Appease Goddell's plans of international conquest for a while

I'm not sure why, if they want to maintain the guise of "neutral" that they don't put it in non-NFL cities. Or just give it to the higher seeded team like every other fucking sport.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Warm? Try humid as balls.

Jacksonville is worse, I'm not sure why such a dinky city (#47 media market at 680K TV homes) ever got an NFL franchise and hosted a SB to begin with. They are pretty much a lame duck franchise, Buffalo (#52 & 630K) too. Look at that clump there of Jax, Memphis, NOLA and Buffalo ranked between 47-52).

And again, fair, wealthy, cities with an actual NFL pedigree (Giants played at Yale Bowl in 70s) like lovely, robust, vibrant Hartford/New Haven (#30 @1,000K) get the shaft. We also produced HOF types Steve Young, Bill Romanowski, Dwight Freeney, John Carney, Floyd Little, Eugene Robinson - not bad for a basketball town.
I hope some asshole took a financial bath on the JAX call.
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A larger TV market for a team isn't the same thing as a larger TV market for the NFL overall. Everyone around Hartford follows either one of the New York teams or the Pats, so placing a franchise there doesn't increase the overall market for the NFL. But placing a team in Jacksonville probably does.
Still, Buffalo is horseshit.

Cimmerian Nights said:
I'm not sure why, if they want to maintain the guise of "neutral" that they don't put it in non-NFL cities. Or just give it to the higher seeded team like every other fucking sport.
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Other American sports do that? Because it's common European sports (or at least soccer) to host it at a pre-determined site.

The reasoning is to provide the best possible environment regardless of teams in the game. And for the NFL to keep it in NFL cities probably keeps some money in the league that would otherwise be spent elsewhere.
 
Everyone around Hartford follows either one of the New York teams or the Pats, so placing a franchise there doesn't increase the overall market for the NFL. But placing a team in Jacksonville probably does.
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Not enough to sustain the franchise though evidently. I don't see how people in a non-city like Jacksonville couldn't already root for 'fins, Bucs or Hawks even. If geographical spread is the goal look at the wide swath that goes from Montana, Idaho, Dakotas, Wyoming, Utah and Nevada.
This also ignores the fact that people in the NE have way more disposable income than some panhandle rednecks in Florida. I'm sure the NFL did their homework, but Jacksonville was a failure as an NFL city.
You have bigger markets in the NE/mid-Atlantic, and they earn way more money per capita, and they don't have the abundance of outdoor entertainment options that warm weather cities have to distract them when the team sucks.
Look at LA, you don't win, they got better shit to do.

Other American sports do that?
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MLB, NHL and NBA are a bit different in that they play best of 7 series for the title. They split it 2-2-3 in favor of the higher seeded team.
I think MLB tried to weigh the home games in favor of the League that won the All-star game somehow - to try to give the All-Star game a little more meaning.
Kind of retarded when you have NE vs. NY in Arizona. There really isn't a more distant US stadium you could've put it in. Dublin is probably closer than Phoenix.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Not enough to sustain the franchise though evidently. I don't see how people in a non-city like Jacksonville couldn't already root for 'fins, Bucs or Hawks even. If geographical spread is the goal look at the wide swath that goes from Montana, Idaho, Dakotas, Wyoming, Utah and Nevada.
This also ignores the fact that people in the NE have way more disposable income than some panhandle rednecks in Florida. I'm sure the NFL did their homework, but Jacksonville was a failure as an NFL city.
You have bigger markets in the NE/mid-Atlantic, and they earn way more money per capita, and they don't have the abundance of outdoor entertainment options that warm weather cities have to distract them when the team sucks.
Look at LA, you don't win, they got better shit to do.
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I'm sure there's lots more money in the Northeast. But if those people are already spending their money on the NFL, why place an extra franchise there? Makes no sense. I'm not saying Jacksonville is the most sensible location either, but there's no additional market value there.

I'd say placing a franchise in Toronto or Mexico City would make the most sense from a market perspective at this point.

Cimmerian Nights said:
MLB, NHL and NBA are a bit different in that they play best of 7 series for the title. They split it 2-2-3 in favor of the higher seeded team.
I think MLB tried to weigh the home games in favor of the League that won the All-star game somehow - to try to give the All-Star game a little more meaning.
Kind of retarded when you have NE vs. NY in Arizona. There really isn't a more distant US stadium you could've put it in. Dublin is probably closer than Phoenix.
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But think about the impossible whining that'd happen. Every single time.
Teams get to the Super Bowl, I don't think they need to be hampered by a home or away crowd at that point.

Plus, there's a very good logistical reason for this: the Super Bowl is a huge event that cities spend years planning. That isn't practical when the city isn't known but two weeks before the event itself.
 
Sander said:
I'm sure there's lots more money in the Northeast. But if those people are already spending their money on the NFL, why place an extra franchise there? Makes no sense.
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Can the same not be said for Jacksonville? They hardly spend their money now to justify having a team. What's the NFL missing by not having a team there, not as much as they are missing by having one there (at the opportunity cost of an LA franchise esp.). And I don't know that the NE/Tri-state area is totally saturated.

The geographical spread model is a failure for the NHL. They should stick to areas that are actually going to support teams instead of asking the larger markets to subsidize the smaller markets just for nat'l coverage. Which I don't think a team in JAX really satisfies anyway. Florida has tons of football.
I'd say placing a franchise in Toronto or Mexico City would make the most sense from a market perspective at this point.
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I like the Bills to Toronto, they just a vestigial organ left over from the AFL. I don't know if I want my team traveling to Mexico and getting Montezuma's Revenge. Let the Cowboys play a few games their at their discretion.
I think the Jags need to go to LA, and I really don't see the benefit league-wide of having more than 32 teams.


But think about the impossible whining that'd happen. Every single time.
Teams get to the Super Bowl, I don't think they need to be hampered by a home or away crowd at that point.

Plus, there's a very good logistical reason for this: the Super Bowl is a huge event that cities spend years planning. That isn't practical when the city isn't known but two weeks before the event itself.
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Think about all the entertaining riots we are missing out on by not having them at home. Enough with satisfying the staid, corporate pukes with their expense accounts and luxury boxes with wine spritzers. I want to see the common man out in the street of his hometown looting stores and flipping over police cars, that's a celebration. When Chicago or Montreal win a championship there's none of this confetti and waving from double-decker buses or holding your kids up. They take to the streets and let it burn.
 
I don't think there are enough hotel rooms in Green Bay to accommodate a SB crowd. Within about a 75 mile (120km 8-) ) radius of GB are several small cities (known as the Fox Cities, because of the Fox River) that collectively have the population of one medium-sized city, but people would have to get rooms far away from the game and then drive, which means they would all have to have cars or busses. This would be in the coldest, snowiest part of winter.

It works during the regular season because people drive to the game and then drive home afterward.
 
Karma's a bitch, huh Lane? Shit's going to get even worse if Texas and friends move to the PAC-10.

I like this, let's have 4 super-conferences (PAC-10, SEC, Big East/ACC, and some Midwestern Conf.) and cut the BCS out of the equation completely.

4 Conference champions in a 2 game playoff. Case closed.
 
This conference realignment is weird. It's going to change college football significantly. As a Big Ten fan Nebraska is a great acquisition, and Missouri makes some sense too (although Iowa State would make more sense if they were better at sports). Personally I don't want Notre Dame, though. Let them join the MAC. :)

The whole thing is driven by the SOB who runs the Big Ten. He's trying to expand it like a mega corporation.

I don't know why Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, and LSU don't just group up in a single, nation-wide premier conference. They would relegate every other conference to second-tier status.
 
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