NFL 2010

[Cimmerian Nights]

Jason Campbell all over again - athletic QB out of undefeated Auburn squad. Kid's something else, but how often does that skillset translate into a solid NFL QB?

They're calling for Coughlin's head in NYC already too. I don't see who's out there that would be considered an improvement, Coughlin's a winner.

GO PACK GO!!!

Kuhn!

This guy can't be tackled.

 

[Sander]

Jason Campbell all over again - athletic QB out of undefeated Auburn squad. Kid's something else, but how often does that skillset translate into a solid NFL QB?

Josh Freeman's success will have some front office's thinking it's a good combination. Ben Roethlisberger is another one of those athletic QB successes. But they probably fail more often than they succeed.

Skillset isn't really the problem with Cam Newton, though. It's character questions: does he have the work ethic, can he lead a franchise and stay out of trouble?

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Josh Freeman's success will have some front office's thinking it's a good combination. Ben Roethlisberger is another one of those athletic QB successes. But they probably fail more often than they succeed.

I don't think so, despite their success, there are far more and more disastrous NFL results from guys that were better than both of them in college in the same mold. Or the guys that never even bothered. Look at the Heisman trophy winning QBs of the last 20 years and ask yourself 'where are they now?'. Same thing with Pryor from OSU, the QB from Michigan. I don't doubt they can put up 50 points and 500 yards of offense and walk on water in the NCAAs

Skillset isn't really the problem with Cam Newton, though. It's character questions: does he have the work ethic, can he lead a franchise and stay out of trouble?

He's the leading rusher in the SEC and has 20 TDs on the ground - I don't see that skill translating to the NFL in the QB position.
What leads you to question his work ethic or ability to lead? I don't care who his dad took money from, if he was my QB, I'd be following his insane action on the field. Watch him take his team on his shoulders to the promised land next week.

 

[Sander]

He's the leading rusher in the SEC and has 20 TDs on the ground - I don't see that skill translating to the NFL in the QB position.

He's also a 67% passer with 10.5 yards per attempt, 28 TDs and just 6 INTs. Of course, he wasn't asked to throw much, college teams have to respect his running ability and didn't have to go through progressions much either so that inflates the numbers.
His skillset as a passer is excellent, at least in potential. He doesn't really have the mechanical problems of Tebow, he can make all the throws and he's been accurate. The only real question in terms of his skillset is whether he can learn to go through progressions and read NFL defenses. And probably how he can handle pressure as well. But at the same time, those are questions that can be asked of any college QB.

What leads you to question his work ethic or ability to lead? I don't care who his dad took money from, if he was my QB, I'd be following his insane action on the field. Watch him take his team on his shoulders to the promised land next week.

I don't care about the selling out of his skills whether he knew about it or not. But he was involved in that whole stealing a laptop thing at Florida, and was reportedly kicked out of Florida because he couldn't handle the academics. Those are issues that could drop him, I don't think the money thing will affect this at all though.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

He has numbers like other Heisman winning running QBs like Charlie Ward, Tommie Frazier, Vince Young, Tim Tebow (of those off the top of my head). All Heisman winners and National Championship QBs, All-Everything QBs. Prolific, electrifying QBs. Elite, select company for sure. Mind-boggling cumulative numbers. Ward and Frazier never took an NFL snap and VY and Tebow are not exactly dependable NFL QBs. None adjusted to the NFL game.

You're not going anywhere in the NFL if you're not a competent pocket passer. You can't sustain that style in the NFL.
Who's our ceiling for running QBs? Vick? He can't grind like this for much longer, nobody has before. Cunningham, McNabb and Steve Young couldn't either, but they had the pocket skills to fall back on. Worst case you end up broken like Pat White (his college stats are comparable to Newton's for three straight years).

I don't sweat the petty criminal stuff, and the NFL really doesn't either as long as you win.

 

[Nology5890]

GO PACK GO!!!

Kuhn!

Rams versus Seahawks next week for the NFC West title.

I'm kind of sorry Samurai Mike got fired. He was entertaining. Who else loses a coach? Carolina? Houston? Miami? Tennessee? Looks like high turnover, potentially.

Nah, I think Tony will stay on down in Miami. There might be some changes to the offensive side of the ball, like new OC and QB, but he's pieced together a pretty damn good defense.

 

[Sander]

He has numbers like other Heisman winning running QBs like Charlie Ward, Tommie Frazier, Vince Young, Tim Tebow (of those off the top of my head). All Heisman winners and National Championship QBs, All-Everything QBs. Prolific, electrifying QBs. Elite, select company for sure. Mind-boggling cumulative numbers. Ward and Frazier never took an NFL snap and VY and Tebow are not exactly dependable NFL QBs. None adjusted to the NFL game.

You're not going anywhere in the NFL if you're not a competent pocket passer. You can't sustain that style in the NFL.

From what I've seen, Cam Newton can be a pocket passer just fine. Which is my point. Whether he develops into a competent one will depend on how hard he works at it and if he has the intelligence to do so, his skillset is fine.

Who's our ceiling for running QBs? Vick? He can't grind like this for much longer, nobody has before. Cunningham, McNabb and Steve Young couldn't either, but they had the pocket skills to fall back on. Worst case you end up broken like Pat White (his college stats are comparable to Newton's for three straight years).

I don't sweat the petty criminal stuff, and the NFL really doesn't either as long as you win.

Petty criminal stuff is an indicator of work ethic and commitment, and that's why NFL teams care.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

From what I've seen, Cam Newton can be a pocket passer just fine. Which is my point. Whether he develops into a competent one will depend on how hard he works at it and if he has the intelligence to do so, his skillset is fine.

I don't know, that's a tough transition to make for a guy who's skills are run reliant. It's hard enough when you're an NFL prototype pocket passer like Bradford.

Newton's physical skills stand out to me most, but the NFL doesn't run the option and you can't rely on your legs in the NFL when execution breaks down. He'll never manhandle NFL defenders like he has in college, and if he tries, his career will be a short one.

In college QBs can succeed in different sizes, shapes, speeds and varied flavors of offense. The kid is exciting and prolific, but I'd rather take a leap of faith on a pocket passer in the NFL. Heisman, Nat'l Championship, 1st rounder, yet only one year as a starter - for the money he will get, he's too big a risk for me.

Petty criminal stuff is an indicator of work ethic and commitment, and that's why NFL teams care.

Thieves can't be hard workers too?
Warren Sapp, Randy Moss and Dan Marino all dropped in the draft due to drug rumors. Don't you think, given hindsight, that some GMs would reconsider passing over them now?

I'd be more wary of him reverting to his physical game at the NFL level, where linebackers will grind him down to a pulp.
NFL doesn't care about NCAA recruiting or eligibility violations and gladly takes any one with black marks and red flags all over their college resume. If you can win, and aren't in jail and can pass a drug test, NFL teams want you now.

 

[Sander]

I don't know, that's a tough transition to make for a guy who's skills are run reliant. It's hard enough when you're an NFL prototype pocket passer like Bradford.

Which is why I keep saying that Newton's skills really aren't all that run reliant. He throws a good and accurate ball, his mechanics are fine, he has a feel for the pass rush - and he can use his mobility as an advantage there. That doesn't mean he'll have to be thrust into a run-first offense in the NFL.

He's a big risk, but the upside is huge.

Thieves can't be hard workers too?
Warren Sapp, Randy Moss and Dan Marino all dropped in the draft due to drug rumors. Don't you think, given hindsight, that some GMs would reconsider passing over them now?

Drug rumours are not the same as issues of stealing and academic commitment. NFL teams care about those things because they're indicators of a player's commitment to the game as a whole.

And, of course, there are dozens more examples of players with character issues of one kind or another in college who bombed because of those issues in the NFL. Either because they weren't committed to improving themselves, or because they kept getting suspended. Like, y'know, Michael Vick.

I'd be more wary of him reverting to his physical game at the NFL level, where linebackers will grind him down to a pulp.
NFL doesn't care about NCAA recruiting or eligibility violations and gladly takes any one with black marks and red flags all over their college resume. If you can win, and aren't in jail and can pass a drug test, NFL teams want you now.

I'm not saying that NFL teams care about the morality of these issues, but that these issues are red flags because they often come back to haunt players in their ability to play well on the field.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I don't know, that's a tough transition to make for a guy who's skills are run reliant. It's hard enough when you're an NFL prototype pocket passer like Bradford.

Which is why I keep saying that Newton's skills really aren't all that run reliant.

How can they not be when he's the SEC's leading rusher (so wasn't Tebow IIRC)?
I'm looking at his stats here:
He has 5 games where he ran for more than he threw - and those were strong conference opponents (SC, Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU & Georgia). He didn't exactly light up the cupcakes on his schedule with his arm either. I see another Vince Young. Tebow. Frazier. Ward. They are the elite, royalty of college football. There aren't enough trophies and award to give these guys. But it didn't translate into NFL glory for them. These are just the ones my faulty memory comes up with.
He better be a good pocket passer. I'd take that kid from Washington or Boise.
It's not an exact science picking QBs, rate of attrition is brutal in the NFL.

Drug rumours are not the same as issues of stealing and academic commitment. NFL teams care about those things because they're indicators of a player's commitment to the game as a whole.

Yet the JaMarcus Russels of the world still blind people because he can throw a ball 70 yards from his knees through plywood.

And, of course, there are dozens more examples of players with character issues of one kind or another in college who bombed because of those issues in the NFL. Either because they weren't committed to improving themselves, or because they kept getting suspended. Like, y'know, Michael Vick.

Yet Mike Vick got chance after chance, hell, his brother who is really the bad seed in the family got his shot in the NFL too, people seem to forget fun loving Marcus Vick (not Elvis Dumervil) . Mike Vick was still a #1 overall pick in the draft. He was no angel at VaTech either.

 

[Sander]

How can they not be when he's the SEC's leading rusher (so wasn't Tebow IIRC)?
I'm looking at his stats here:
He has 5 games where he ran for more than he threw - and those were strong conference opponents (SC, Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU & Georgia). He didn't exactly light up the cupcakes on his schedule with his arm either. I see another Vince Young. Tebow. Frazier. Ward. They are the elite, royalty of college football. There aren't enough trophies and award to give these guys. But it didn't translate into NFL glory for them. These are just the ones my faulty memory comes up with.

Steve Young. Michael Vick (as he is now, when he learned how to work). Donovan McNabb. Randall Cunningham. Jury's still out on Tebow, though I still don't think he'll make it.

No, you can't run a run-first offense in the NFL. But you see Newton running in college and you think that's all he can do - or at least, that seems to be your argument. Yet I've said over and over again that the reason he's seen as such a good prospect isn't his mobility, it's that he throws the ball very well. The athleticism and mobility is an extra, not the primary reason he is coveted.

A lot of those super-accurate QBs don't have the arm strength to be a top-tier prospect as they're throwing mostly short passes. Like Kellen Moore of Boise State, who is a good thrower but whose upside is limited as he won't be able to make all the NFL throws.

Also, Jake Locker for Washington is hardly a good example of an accurate pocket passer.

Anyway, you speak as if good pocket passers aren't rated ahead of Cam Newton. They are. Andrew Luck, Ryan Mallett and perhaps Jake Locker are all seen as better prospects than Newton.

Yet the JaMarcus Russels of the world still blind people because he can throw a ball 70 yards from his knees through plywood.

They blind people because there's tremendous upside. If you hit on someone like Jamarcus Russell, you have one of the best football players ever. At some point talent will trump character concerns.

Yet Mike Vick got chance after chance, hell, his brother who is really the bad seed in the family got his shot in the NFL too, people seem to forget fun loving Marcus Vick (not Elvis Dumervil) . Mike Vick was still a #1 overall pick in the draft. He was no angel at VaTech either.

And yet there are dozens of examples where that did not happen and players dropped through the draft. People like Mike Williams (Bucs version, was seen as first or second-round talent in terms of skills, yet dropped because of character issues), or Dez Bryant (who was a top 5 talent), or Warren Sapp, or Aqib Talib, or Tanard Jackson.

The problem is that generally speaking you only remember two guys with character concerns coming into the draft: the ones who succeeded despite their character concerns, and the ones who were selected high despite their character concerns but bombed. You'll remember Warren Sapp, but you won't remember Maurice Clarett. A lot of players drop in the draft each year due to those concerns, and you never hear from them again - because they simply disappear as the concerns turned out to be legitimate. NFL teams certainly take character issues into consideration.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Steve Young. Michael Vick (as he is now, when he learned how to work). Donovan McNabb. Randall Cunningham. Jury's still out on Tebow, though I still don't think he'll make it.

I'm glad you brought them up, because they all learned the hard way that the path of the running QB is a cul-de-sac of blown knees (Cunningham), concussions (Young), and overall cumulative wear and tear (McNabb). They all abandoned that route and became better QBs for it, but they are the rare exceptions. No one is built for that kind of punishment, even fewer can morph into competant pocket passers.
Mike Vick's day of destiny is coming, he knows that, Reid knows that, most importantly opposing defenses know that.

Mike Vick is amazing, but he can't keep the Randall Cunningham act up forever.

No, you can't run a run-first offense in the NFL.

I don't think anybody intends to, even in college. It's QBs that can't read defenses and take off running after their first read. See Vick's stint in ATL, Crumpler covered? tuck and run.

Newton is also amazing. But I'm not blowing a 1st rounder and and $80M contract for someone to ride the pine while they develop into ....?

 

[Sander]

I'm glad you brought them up, because they all learned the hard way that the path of the running QB is a cul-de-sac of blown knees (Cunningham), concussions (Young), and overall cumulative wear and tear (McNabb). They all abandoned that route and became better QBs for it, but they are the rare exceptions. No one is built for that kind of punishment, even fewer can morph into competant pocket passers.
Mike Vick's day of destiny is coming, he knows that, Reid knows that, most importantly opposing defenses know that.

Mike Vick is amazing, but he can't keep the Randall Cunningham act up forever.

Never disagreed with any of that. To be a succesful QB in the NFL, you have to be a passer first.

I don't think anybody intends to, even in college. It's QBs that can't read defenses and take off running after their first read. See Vick's stint in ATL, Crumpler covered? tuck and run.

In the NFL they don't, though what Vince Young did last year was eerily similar to a run-first offense. But in college you absolutely have QBs that run that kind of offense, where everything works off their run action. Tim Tebow certainly did that, Cam Newton kind of does right now. Both offenses still feature plenty of passes of course, but a lot of called QB runs and QB options as well and most of those pass plays are based on the threat of the QB run.

Newton is also amazing. But I'm not blowing a 1st rounder and and $80M contract for someone to ride the pine while they develop into ....?

It helps that it'll be a $15M contract at the most with the new rookie wage scale that'll be in place before any rookie contracts get negotiated.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Never disagreed with any of that. To be a succesful QB in the NFL, you have to be a passer first.

The question is, how many guys are latent Steve Youngs after you take their feet away? Or are they just another Cordell Stewart, or even worse, Pat White.

In the NFL they don't, though what Vince Young did last year was eerily similar to a run-first offense. But in college you absolutely have QBs that run that kind of offense, where everything works off their run action. Tim Tebow certainly did that, Cam Newton kind of does right now. Both offenses still feature plenty of passes of course, but a lot of called QB runs and QB options as well and most of those pass plays are based on the threat of the QB run.

You can get away with that when you have a big, durable guy like Tebow or Newton. The other 140+ DI schools wouldn't risk it to that degree, the option and it's variants are that - options (with the obvious preference being that the pitchman gets the ball). The option is popular because college QBs are not the most proficient passers, it's simple execution, and exposes assignment breakdowns in the defense. Even when the pitchman is contained, coaches and fans are probably holding their breath every time a QB tucks and runs between the tackles. It's the least preferable of all the options.

They certainly run designed runs, but I'd hazard that most of their yards are off of broken plays, coverage runs, being flushed out of the pocket, the wider hashmarks in the college game leading to more field to run bootlegs and waggles and shit. Sanchez thinks the bootleg is a called running play for him.

It's too bad a lot of that stuff (option) gets left behind in college, the triple option is something else, and would be a great basis to run fakes and play-action off of. Especially reverse pivots off the diveman and shit like that.

Thing is you need that pocket passer, and you need him upright. If Manning or Brady is your QB you don't even entertain this idea.
And those two represent the difference that must be made re: mobility as an ability to avoid the rush vs. downfield/open space running/cutting/juking. Neither are mobile, but they can be elusive and have great pocket awareness and blitz avoidance.
Most importantly, they know when to throw it away, and when to eat the sack.
Your Vicks and Cunninghams can run, but they get sacked a lot more than others. Cunningham set the record for most sacks in a season IIRC and Vick looked the same last night in between strip sacks and dropped INTs. Roethlisberger is up there too.
Vick took a beating last night.

 

[Sander]

You can get away with that when you have a big, durable guy like Tebow or Newton. The other 140+ DI schools wouldn't risk it to that degree, the option and it's variants are that - options (with the obvious preference being that the pitchman gets the ball). The option is popular because college QBs are not the most proficient passers, it's simple execution, and exposes assignment breakdowns in the defense. Even when the pitchman is contained, coaches and fans are probably holding their breath every time a QB tucks and runs between the tackles. It's the least preferable of all the options.

They certainly run designed runs, but I'd hazard that most of their yards are off of broken plays, coverage runs, being flushed out of the pocket, the wider hashmarks in the college game leading to more field to run bootlegs and waggles and shit. Sanchez thinks the bootleg is a called running play for him.

In the NFL, absolutely. In college, eh. You look at someone like Cam Newton and he runs a ton of designed runs - even if they're options, the playcaller knows Newton is likely to get the ball. And Denard Robinson really gets a lot of designed carries.

It's too bad a lot of that stuff (option) gets left behind in college, the triple option is something else, and would be a great basis to run fakes and play-action off of. Especially reverse pivots off the diveman and shit like that.

Thing is you need that pocket passer, and you need him upright. If Manning or Brady is your QB you don't even entertain this idea.
And those two represent the difference that must be made re: mobility as an ability to avoid the rush vs. downfield/open space running/cutting/juking. Neither are mobile, but they can be elusive and have great pocket awareness and blitz avoidance.
Most importantly, they know when to throw it away, and when to eat the sack.
Your Vicks and Cunninghams can run, but they get sacked a lot more than others. Cunningham set the record for most sacks in a season IIRC and Vick looked the same last night in between strip sacks and dropped INTs. Roethlisberger is up there too.
Vick took a beating last night.

Yip. Mobile QBs like that get sacked a lot more, but they're valuable because with their ability to extend plays they manufacture the possibility for a lot more explosive plays. I doubt Roethlisberger goes through his reads and runs a play like it's supposed to more than 50% of the time, for instance, but that also creates a lot more big plays when he does find someone downfield on those scrambles.

And there's another type of mobility that you see with guys like Rodgers and Freeman, where they'll keep their eyes downfield and look to pass but will pick up the first down with their feet if the option is there as well.

One interesting thing you note is the sacks. If you look at the sack rate for offensive lines, Peyton's O-line is always one of the top ranked O-lines now matter how terrible they are because he feels the rush and gets rid of it. Conversely, Roethlisberger's line will always look worse than it is because of him.

 

[UniversalWolf]

There are many reasons why "running" type QBs tend to work in college but not in the NFL. One reason is that running ability becomes a crutch. When an inexperienced QB can bail himself out of his passing mistakes by running he fails to recognize those mistakes. Vince Young is a perfect example of this. He doesn't recognize coverage pre-snap but he doesn't think it's a problem because he just runs for 10 yards. But in a big game he runs into a top-level NFL defense that can cover and blitz and contain his running at the same time, and he gets mauled. Also, an inexperienced QB who can run causes defenses to counter his running ability, which means he seldom sees defenses playing heavy against the pass. Look what happened to Vick against the Vikings: he injures his knee on the first play and it slows him down just a little, and his passing falls to pieces. First the Viqueens blitz him, then they fall into a heavy pass defense, and he can't handle it. A relatively immobile QB (like a Manning or a Brady or a Brees) has to learn to deal with that constantly or he fails. He can't cover his mistakes by running.

That said, I thought Joe Webb looked pretty good for a rookie (as a QB he looks a lot like Randall Cunningham, IMO). Whether he can develop into a good passer remains to be seen, but at least he kept his cool in tough situations. The best thing that could happen to him would be to pull his hamstring next year so he has to learn to play without running when he gets into trouble.

Nah, I think Tony will stay on down in Miami.

He probably gets one more year to make it work. I wonder whether Fisher will get fired from the Titans and Turner from the Bolts.

BTW, hilarious that Logan Mankins is a probowler.

 

[Brother None]

Man I hope Seattle loses.

Newton's physical skills stand out to me most, but the NFL doesn't run the option and you can't rely on your legs in the NFL when execution breaks down. He'll never manhandle NFL defenders like he has in college, and if he tries, his career will be a short one.

Well, let's not confuse skill with polish here. Newton is barely a passer right now, let alone an NFL-ready QB. It's hard to say how much work he needs but that he needs work is clear. But on a tools level, it's not just "physical skills". He's reminiscent of Michael Vick only his QB tools are better. For one, he's not a midget.

Big bust potential but sky's the limit? How trite. Still, if Vick was worth a #1 then Newton is too, but I think that most teams have well learned the tired old ditty that's being chewed out here again, about toolsy prospects and running QBs.

I think the Vick story has been a fun ride but I don't know if he keeps it up. Regardless, it'll inspire some FO to take a shot at Newton. With it looking possible if not likely that Luck stays in college, Newton might make a run for 1st overall pick, though it makes more sense for the Panthers to sit pat and take Bowers.

I thought Joe Webb looked pretty good for a rookie

BIG HANDS.

hilarious that Logan Mankins is a probowler

Pretty funny. Freeney made me chuckle too, though man AFC DEs are a weak lot compared to NFC DEs.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Mankins is All-Pro material. Re-sign him now.
He's a lot fresher than the other weatherbeaten guards in the league too, fuck their broken down asses.
Any confirmation on franchise tags for the next CBA, shit, can't let that fucker go.

Brandon Meriweather however, has no business being a pro-bowler, and I guarantee you Pats fans didn't 'stuff the ballot box' to get him in. The beauty is, he's worth more in trade now.
Just like the Fremen warriors of Arrakis reduce their dead tribesmen into precious water, liquidate Meriweather for the lifeblood that is extra draft picks. Feed the beast!

Freeney made me chuckle too, though man AFC DEs are a weak lot compared to NFC DEs.

I'm going to guess more 3-4s in the AFC, pass rush comes from OLB, and since the people who decide who goes to the pro-bowl are mouth-breathers, they probably vote on DEs for past sack totals, hence Freeney and Mathis - who are still in single digit sacks this year and notoriously soft against the run. Those guy's milieu is a very narrow one, and the were in a slump this year.

I'd like to know who sympathy voted Seyton Manning in. No love for Matt Cassel?

 

[Nology5890]

Cam Wake got in! At least I know there is a God for football. So many good OLBs this year, I was afraid they wouldn't pick the league's sacks leader...

 

[Brother None]

'course Cam Wake made it in. Hell he's a DPotY candidate again with Polamalu out and thus fading from memory (it's a short-term memory game).

Mankins is All-Pro material. Re-sign him now.

Mankins makes sense by the logic of "yeah he's the best duh", but y'know this wouldn't happen on a position where stats are accrued and his season would look less impressive. Has any RB ever made it in on half a season?

Any confirmation on franchise tags for the next CBA, shit, can't let that fucker go.

Just assume so. Iggles need to franchise Vick so they can scam some random team out of two 1sts for him or for Kolb.

The beauty is, he's worth more in trade now.

Well he was already in the pro bowl last year so w'evz.

I'm going to guess more 3-4s in the AFC, pass rush comes from OLB, and since the people who decide who goes to the pro-bowl are mouth-breathers, they probably vote on DEs for past sack totals, hence Freeney and Mathis - who are still in single digit sacks this year and notoriously soft against the run. Those guy's milieu is a very narrow one, and the were in a slump this year.

It's presumably a major factor. What is it, 7 AFC and 3 NFC teams that run 3-4 (plus a handful of hybrid teams)? The pro bowl isn't well-adapted to it.

Still, that's enough 4-3 teams to make a decent showing. In the AFC I have to guffaw at the first names. NFC? You gotta reach deep into the reserves. Julius Peppers, John Abraham, Justin Tuck, Trent Cole, Osi Umenyiora. Chris Long and a hobbled Jared Allen are still more attractive than the speed-rush brothers.

Peyton always goes to the pro bowl, it's a rule. He may be having a down year but it's not that down that I have to laugh at it. Brett Favre once got in tossing 22 TDs, 22 INTs and 6.7 YPA. C'mon.

Devin Hester's selection irks me too, not just because it's snubbing Leon Washington, but he's not even their #1 KR. Sure he's had some nice heads-up plays, but so have the fulltime returners like Washington or Stefan Logan.

Eh, what else is new, it's all hype. 5 Cowboys got in. Let's just rename it the All-Star Team and be done with it.