NFL 2010

[Cimmerian Nights]

Santonio Holmes? Evidently the Jets have a lot more PSLs to sell. Man, Braylon Edwards, LT, Cromartie, and now Santonio Holmes. Couldn't get rid of straight-shooter like Thomas Jones fast enough. What a locker room that's going to be.

 

[Sander]

Santonio Holmes for a 5th rounder is ridiculous value. Almost makes you think something has to be up, though it may just be the 4-game suspension and the fact that another infraction gets him a full year on the sidelines.

 

[Brother None]

Santonio Holmes? Evidently the Jets have a lot more PSLs to sell. Man, Braylon Edwards, LT, Cromartie, and now Santonio Holmes. Couldn't get rid of straight-shooter like Thomas Jones fast enough. What a locker room that's going to be.

I find it odd that you put LT in that list. He's a classy guy. I know 'coz he told us so.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Well, 4 game suspension with only one year remaining on his contract - all you're getting is 12 games. Kid's got some huge catches, but he belongs in that TO, B-Marsh category where you have to ask if all the ghetto dysfunction that he brings with him can be justified by what he brings you on the field. It's not that those guys can all be good soldiers for a little while too, it's just that when they do boil over, it gets ugly fast.

Jets ownership is a little wacky now with Woody Johnson. The guy clearly needs to sell out Giants Stadium 2.0 and is making the public moves to appeal to the base - it has be done in a town like NYC where teams like the Yankees shell out more in signing 3 free agents then the entire Jets' payroll.

The only problem I see is that the Jets aren't really one or two FA's away from the SB like they might want to believe. They played some great football against the Chargers in the playoffs, but they were only a .500 team against teams that play their starters. LT is a downgrade from TJ. Cromartie is a slight upgrade to compensate for the loss of Kerry Rhoades. Santonio and Braylon have their moments - good/bad, on/off the field - but really, they can only be good as the guy throwing them the ball.

Fuck all those guys, the biggest impact player they are getting back is Kris Jenkins, hands down. But that notion doesn't sell PSLs. Cro and Smokabluntio Holmes do.

I don't know, I just see the Jets aiming for wacky front pages in the Daily News and PR type buzz instead of substantive football improvements.

I find it odd that you put LT in that list. He's a classy guy. I know 'coz he told us so.

Pats/Jets 2X should be more fun this year if for no other reason than the insight in to LT's deluded mind.

 

[UniversalWolf]

The Jets seem to be putting an awful lot of pressure on Sanchez to perform this year. Maybe he'll be fine, but what if he isn't? Will he be blamed for crippling this expensive, up-gunned team?

Marshall to Miami...the AFC East is loading up. Except for Buffalo, of course. Poor Buffalo.

 

[Brother None]

And except the Pats. But they're just sitting pat for the draft, which is fine I guess.

It'll be an interesting division to watch. Who'll win it? Big question marks all over, all you know is the Bills won't win it. I guess.

Sanchez sucks so I'm not putting my money on the Jets. But who knows?

 

[SimpleMinded]

Don't get me started on the Jets and Sanchez. Dude at work claims this year's going to be a repeat of Joe Namath's second year on the Jets.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Will he be blamed for crippling this expensive, up-gunned team?

I wouldn't think so, although expectations will be higher. They knew what they were getting in Sanchez - I mean that from a PR standpoint as much as a football standpoint. Considering the pressure from the NYC media, I think the kid held up pretty good for a rookie QB. And I think if you look at the Jets' moves, they're not made from the standpoint of building a cohesive, complementary, complete team. When you swap LT for TJ, bring in Cromartie but lose Lito Shepard and Kerry Rhoades. Jason Taylor is spent. Santonio Holmes makes some big plays, but the kid is off the reservation. You sign on to do Hard Knocks. These are PR moves, business moves, and likely good ones for the bottom line (PSL sales, jersey sales, more prestige/buzz in NYC sports scene and nationally). I guess we'll see how/if they parlay into wins.
Think of how many NYJ Tomlinson jersey's they will sell and I think you have your answer already for how ownership will judge the success/failure of the Jets.
I still see NYJ Favre jerseys around here, it's still a bizarre thing to be reminded of.


Funny thing is, squeaking into to the AFCC game hurts the Jets now because they are being held back from signing more due to the final 8 restrictions.

The AFC East is heating up. I have so much respect for B.Marsh's talent. The kid is amazing. It just seems like you have to wear white gloves and walk on eggshells to keep him simmered down and not raging like a volcano. I don't know how you operate a franchise with so much of your success relying on the unpredictable hormones of a flaky, pouting bitch like him. I couldn't do it, and I'm surprised Parcells did.

Pats better have a stellar draft if they hope to stay on top of the division... They've been lining things up since last off season for this to be a very pivotal draft for them.

And except the Pats. But they're just sitting pat for the draft, which is fine I guess.

Well, they had about 6 key players up for contracts and they got the best of them resigned. They had to resign Wilfork, Kevin Faulk, Leigh Bodden, Banta-Cain, Stephen Neal etc. Navigating that minefield has been a huge concern for the past 2 years and their only significant loss was b/u DE Jarvis Green.
They've spent a lot of money and locked a lot of talent up long term. So they haven't brought anybody new in except Algernon, but the fact that they haven't lost any of those other guys is about as good as things could be given the situation they are in.

Am I pissed they didn't sign B-Marsh, Peppers, Holmes or Jason Taylor? Those guys all have HUGE drawbacks. Great signings, but come week 6 I grantee those retreads start falling apart - physically, emotionally, motivationally. Do you trust Peppers or Jason Taylor to get to the QB in the 4th quarter of a big game? Anymore so than a 2nd round talent in this draft for the disparity in salary?
I don't know that they were the answer to any of the problems the Patriots have anyway.

Don't get me started on the Jets and Sanchez. Dude at work claims this year's going to be a repeat of Joe Namath's second year on the Jets.

Was that the year he started wearing panty hose?

 

[Brother None]

Am I pissed they didn't sign B-Marsh, Peppers, Holmes or Jason Taylor? Those guys all have HUGE drawbacks. Great signings, but come week 6 I grantee those retreads start falling apart - physically, emotionally, motivationally.

All of 'em? I'll hold you to that.

Also Peppers ain't in your division is he?

Also B-Mrash, Holmes, Cromartie aren't exactly retreads. Jason Taylor and LDT I don't give a shit about, but some of the other signings are simply good. Bit risky, but good.

Don't get me started on the Jets and Sanchez. Dude at work claims this year's going to be a repeat of Joe Namath's second year on the Jets.

Wasn't his first year already p much Namath's second year?

 

[SimpleMinded]

Aye but going further. Second year quarterback, second year coach. Going all the way to win the super bowl.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Aye but going further. Second year quarterback, second year coach. Going all the way to win the super bowl.

Yeah, and you know who the DC was then too, huh, huh? Destiny?
Sanchez got his knee done. Coincidence? I don't think so.

If I was a Jets fan, I'd be way more geeked about Jenkins and Leon Washington coming back. Those are some big play guys. Kris Jenkins on a D that was already #1, that's scary. If you love football, you have to love Leon Washington, but a compound broken leg could be devastating to a guy like him.

Cromartie, shit, I hope he can cover up receivers better than he does his unit.

Also Peppers ain't in your division is he?

I'm throwing him out there (you can consider Boldin too) in the "why didn't the Patriots pursue _____ more aggressively?" category of missed FA opportunities.

Also B-Mrash, Holmes, Cromartie aren't exactly retreads.

OK sorry to lump them together like that, they're a basket case with the emotional development of a 5 y.o., a wankster and the poster child for pulling out.

One thing is for certain, best season of Hard Knocks ever.

 

[Sander]

Yeah, and you know who the DC was then too, huh, huh? Destiny?

Walt Michaels.
I assume you mean Buddy Ryan, who was LB coach at the time though.

If I was a Jets fan, I'd be way more geeked about Jenkins and Leon Washington coming back. Those are some big play guys. Kris Jenkins on a D that was already #1, that's scary. If you love football, you have to love Leon Washington, but a compound broken leg could be devastating to a guy like him.

Love Leon, but you never know with big injuries. He may come back a changed player, especially if he's struggling with trusting in that leg.
I'd more interested in what Shonn Greene can do. Dude looked great last season in limited action, especially in the playoffs.

 

[UniversalWolf]

I have so much respect for B.Marsh's talent. The kid is amazing. It just seems like you have to wear white gloves and walk on eggshells to keep him simmered down and not raging like a volcano.

True, he's had some goofy off-field incidents, but he never quarreled with Shanahan. Excluding McDaniel's time in Denver (which may or may not be safe to do) I don't see anything that makes him an especially bad teammate. Being around guys like Parcells and Sparano might bring out the best in him.

Ted Ginn to the Niners!

Anyone else see the John Gruden QB special on ESPN? Pretty entertaining.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I'll be glad when this draft is over and we can move forward to the next round of idle speculation, b.s. prognostication, fake rumors and all the usuall off-season strokery.
I'm hyped about the results, which I'll eagerly chew and digest when the dust has settled, but the process itself bores the life out of me.
If I couldn't be bothered to watch the draft in my college/party days, hungover on a Sat afternoon, glued to the sofa, high on THC and thorazine, how am I supposed to watch it now when I have shit going on?
What's that expression about sausage and legislation, you don't want to know how they make it or what goes into it? I feel the same about the draft.
I'm all about the results, but goddamn if watching paint dry isn't more rewarding.

Walt Michaels.
I assume you mean Buddy Ryan, who was LB coach at the time though.

The prophecy shall not be denied by your petty "details" and minutia! The time is ripe! The PSLs will flow like wine!
Jason Taylor is next? Clearly moves designed to win a championship.

I'd more interested in what Shonn Greene can do. Dude looked great last season in limited action, especially in the playoffs.

The only knock on him last year from Jets-land was a chronic case of fumblitis IIRC.

I know Cromartie's glad he won't have to fake tackle him anymore.

True, he's had some goofy off-field incidents, but he never quarreled with Shanahan. Excluding McDaniel's time in Denver (which may or may not be safe to do) I don't see anything that makes him an especially bad teammate. Being around guys like Parcells and Sparano might bring out the best in him.

Marshall, I feel, has all the tools to be one of the most dominant WRs ever, his biggest obstacle is his own baggage. The kid is a flake. I don't know if this is the guy I want to depend on for consistant production in the clutch. Which is a pity, because I think the sky is the limit for him.
I don't think he's a lockerroom cancer a la T.O. I think he belongs more in that self-destructive, totally dysfunctional realtionship like Chris Henry. Brandon Marshall is not a "team first" guy.

Forget about the picks you give up, forget about the monster contract, I'm still not sure Brandon Marshall isn't a ticking time bomb. Now put him in a city like Miama', and he's one more ugly, po-po altercation away from the UFL. At the rate he has the cops called to his house, this is not such a farfetched prospect. And nobody wants to see that, but the kid has some maturity issues AFAIC.

That being said, I don't see any reason, if he stays out of trouble, that he doesn't nab 80+ balls for 1000+ yards easy.

 

[UniversalWolf]

I like Roethlisberger to the Raiders.

Yesterday Ted Thompson reiterated his intent to take the BPA and not draft for need, so don't expect an OT as the Pack's #1 pick. It might work out that way, especially if Bulaga falls far enough (I've got my fingers crossed), but I'm not holding my breath.

The Rams giving Carriker to D.C. for a swap of 5ths and a swap of 7ths...what a garbage trade. No wonder the Rams are horrible. With some effort I bet they could've gotten a 3rd from someone. Or at worst a 4th.

 

[Sander]

Man Jets are making a ton of moves. Mostly really old veterans, though. They clearly think they have a championship level team.

Six game suspension for Roethlisberger, now. Luckily, this means the Bucs don't get him but either Batch or Leftwich. But six games seems like a lot for something that really looks like getting drunk with a college chick and fucking said incredibly drunk chick. I really don't like this personal conduct policy as is - Roethlisberger got prosecuted in the media so much that it was really impossible for Goodell to not to suspend him.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Man Jets are making a ton of moves. Mostly really old veterans, though. They clearly think they have a championship level team.

None too subtle if you look between the lines:

CBs and pass rush. Get the talent in the secondary to run man, free up more rushers for blitzes and stunts that are Rex's forte.
Cut TJ, sign a spent LT, talk of dealing Faneca? Clearly they are not preoccupied with remaining the league's best rushing team.
Now snag Braylons Edwards, Holmes, make a run for Marshall.
Big shift in pass/run ratio about to take place there. Trouble is, it's a QB league, and their QB was a turnover artist last year.

I really don't like this personal conduct policy as is - Roethlisberger got prosecuted in the media so much that it was really impossible for Goodell to not to suspend him.

This is moneyball, they saw the millions in endorsements Tiger Woods personally lost, the hit to his rep - he lost middle America and the housewives *tsk*. And he was with consenting women.
Steelers are dropping this guy like a bad habit, like he's radioactive.

I think it's bad precedent to suspend a guy 6 games when no charges were brought. But such is the nature of appeasing public opinion. What's next on the obligatory celebrity PR penance check list for Roethlisberger? Rehab? Oprah?

I'd trade for him...
if his trade value is prorated 6 games.

 

[UniversalWolf]

I see the Pats were lucky enough to win the Play-Detroit-on-Thanksgiving sweepstakes. Congrats!

Also get the Pack on Sunday night.

The Packers have a tough schedule this year playing the AFC East and the NFC East. Buffalo's the only cupcake game I see on the list, and even that's not quite the same as, say, the Rams or the Browns. I'm assuming Detroit's going to be improved. They certainly look improved on paper.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

I see the Pats were lucky enough to win the Play-Detroit-on-Thanksgiving sweepstakes. Congrats!

They're going to need all the cakewalks they can get. Team needs a big draft, even with all their picks, and the top heavy class, you just can't find immediate playmakers to the level that the Patriots need to fill the holes they have.
I think they are stubbornly waiting for the last wave of veteran cuts to pick up their usual gaggle of brittle, broken down value veterans (Deion Branch???) for nothing. Same situation they have with Adalius Thomas - you can't trade him, perfect opportunity to cut him, but you can't do it too soon, or he'll just shoot down I-95 to see his old buddy Rex.
Curious to see what Cleveland and Seattle do as part of full-on rebuild mode. Pete Carrol finally got roster control like he always wanted.

 

[Brother None]

Curious to see what Cleveland and Seattle do as part of full-on rebuild mode. Pete Carrol finally got roster control like he always wanted.

Makes me nervous as shit. I just hope Schneider can correct him if he goes into stupid mode.