NMA article: My Fallout 3 adventures!
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Yeah and I'm not even sure that VDWeller is his real name.Jedi_Learner said:
Artisticspaz
First time out of the vault
other than the constant harping on how unfalloutzy it is(little too fanboyish) i enjoyed the article. I thought the way he wrote it was funny, and moira is like the stupid suburban mom who wants to write a book on a subject she doesn't know.
VDweller
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Since I've gotten into an argument on the Codex, I'll just copy-paste what I posted there (in regard to FO3 not being a Fallout game):
"FO3 takes place 200 years after the war, yet the world looks like it's been only a few decades since the war. Working computers are everywhere (i.e. not in labs, but in abandoned buildings).
Fallout did a good job maintaining the PA atmosphere and presenting two worlds - the wasteland and the pre-war "islands" (vaults, military base, etc). Fallout 3 mixes them up carelessly. The artefacts of the long gone age are everywhere (mostly because Bethesda failed to maintain the 200 year since the war angle) and finding a working computer or a pre-war still intact location doesn't give you a sense of wonder.
Same goes for food, working cola machines, and those attached to walls medical boxes that seemed to be everywhere. Everyone wants scrap metal, yet metal is one thing this setting is loaded with. In fact, there is too much of pretty much everything in Fallout 3. Comparing FO3 to FO1, it's hard to say that FO3 takes place more than a 100 years later. In fact it looks like the other way around. It has more in common (super mutants including) with Gears of War, not Fallout.
Super mutants' explanation is laughable. They are in the game to make it a Fallout game. Seemed to have worked though, judging by the reaction.
Feral ghouls are zombies on steroids
Brotherhood turned from an almost monastery order, too small to fight the super mutants on their own or too attract too much attention to themselves into a holy order of knight-protectors keeping humanity safe and shooting at things on sight. In Fallout they didn't have enough equipment, in FO3 weapons and armor are everywhere and they leave fallen comrades in Power Armor behind.
Exploding cars, nuclear catapults, harmless nuclear explosions, etc. 'nuff said.
You can easily fill your house with brand new scientific equipment that shouldn't have been around for 200 years.
Robot-butler.
There is an organization, called The Railroad, that's dedicated to helping androids gain their independence. I'll repeat that. DEDICATED TO HELPING ROBOTS GAIN INDEPENDENCE. In a post-apocalyptic world.
Comes with a robot who managed to become human. Interesting quest overall, but it's not Fallout. "
On the West Coast thing:
"Sure. That was Bethesda's chance to make a Fallout game. To work within the setting, but do different things, come up with different problems, different factions, different ways of dealing with PA shit.
Instead we get a recycled Fallout plot, familiar conflicts (the sheriff and Burke are pale, less interesting, depth lacking versions of Killian and Gizmo), familar, but poorly executed groups: super mutants, bos, enclave, ghouls.
And the west coast thing still wouldn't explain why the game doesn't look like a 200 years after the war world."
"FO3 takes place 200 years after the war, yet the world looks like it's been only a few decades since the war. Working computers are everywhere (i.e. not in labs, but in abandoned buildings).
Fallout did a good job maintaining the PA atmosphere and presenting two worlds - the wasteland and the pre-war "islands" (vaults, military base, etc). Fallout 3 mixes them up carelessly. The artefacts of the long gone age are everywhere (mostly because Bethesda failed to maintain the 200 year since the war angle) and finding a working computer or a pre-war still intact location doesn't give you a sense of wonder.
Same goes for food, working cola machines, and those attached to walls medical boxes that seemed to be everywhere. Everyone wants scrap metal, yet metal is one thing this setting is loaded with. In fact, there is too much of pretty much everything in Fallout 3. Comparing FO3 to FO1, it's hard to say that FO3 takes place more than a 100 years later. In fact it looks like the other way around. It has more in common (super mutants including) with Gears of War, not Fallout.
Super mutants' explanation is laughable. They are in the game to make it a Fallout game. Seemed to have worked though, judging by the reaction.
Feral ghouls are zombies on steroids
Brotherhood turned from an almost monastery order, too small to fight the super mutants on their own or too attract too much attention to themselves into a holy order of knight-protectors keeping humanity safe and shooting at things on sight. In Fallout they didn't have enough equipment, in FO3 weapons and armor are everywhere and they leave fallen comrades in Power Armor behind.
Exploding cars, nuclear catapults, harmless nuclear explosions, etc. 'nuff said.
You can easily fill your house with brand new scientific equipment that shouldn't have been around for 200 years.
Robot-butler.
There is an organization, called The Railroad, that's dedicated to helping androids gain their independence. I'll repeat that. DEDICATED TO HELPING ROBOTS GAIN INDEPENDENCE. In a post-apocalyptic world.
Comes with a robot who managed to become human. Interesting quest overall, but it's not Fallout. "
On the West Coast thing:
"Sure. That was Bethesda's chance to make a Fallout game. To work within the setting, but do different things, come up with different problems, different factions, different ways of dealing with PA shit.
Instead we get a recycled Fallout plot, familiar conflicts (the sheriff and Burke are pale, less interesting, depth lacking versions of Killian and Gizmo), familar, but poorly executed groups: super mutants, bos, enclave, ghouls.
And the west coast thing still wouldn't explain why the game doesn't look like a 200 years after the war world."
There were alot of timeline issues with Fallout too though. Too much food still around, not enough decay for the amount of time. I always felt they should have kept the timeline a little tighter. Make it only 100 years or even less after the war.
The wooden structure thing is a good point someone else made, but still, FO1 and 2 had plenty of time/decay inconsistencies. Old robots still functioning, etc.
Some people keep complaining about the prevalence of nuke items, but the cars in the Fallout all ran on nuclear energy, so thats sort of a silly thing to go on about.
The super mutants do seem pretty common, much more so than FO1. They really were something special in that, but by Tactics, they had become far more common.
The wooden structure thing is a good point someone else made, but still, FO1 and 2 had plenty of time/decay inconsistencies. Old robots still functioning, etc.
Some people keep complaining about the prevalence of nuke items, but the cars in the Fallout all ran on nuclear energy, so thats sort of a silly thing to go on about.
The super mutants do seem pretty common, much more so than FO1. They really were something special in that, but by Tactics, they had become far more common.
We already were discussing this dozens of times before. Because there are some flaws and mistakes in previous Fallouts, it doesn't mean it's acceptable for FO3 to have flaws and mistakes...which are even worse btw.
And for the functioning robots- in the previous Fallouts robots weren't wondering around the westeland with no purpose to do so, and usually they had a proper baground with an explenation for why they are still functional.
Nuclear energy cars is a 50's idea that was made in Fallout's universe. But they didn't blow up when you shoot at them
In Fallout 3 Super Mutants are canibals, blood driven beasts.
In FO1 they were not canibals, and in FO2 some of them started living with humans just like everyone else (Broken Hills for example).
Tactics was a spin-off.
Public said:We already were discussing this dozens of times before. Because there are some flaws and mistakes in previous Fallouts, it doesn't mean it's acceptable for FO3 to have flaws and mistakes...which are even worse btw. -/quote]
Possibly, but in order to maintain some of the concepts, they progressed the timeline while still retaining many of the accepted ideas. Had they not, someone would hae gutted them for not adhering to those preiously established ideas.
Oh certainly, but the robots in FO3 tend to be found near places where they might be guarding pre-war locations.
Nuclear energy cars is a 50's idea that was made in Fallout's universe. But they didn't blow up when you shoot at them
I agree with that, but they did sae me from a pair of Yoa Goi (SP)
Sorrow
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
The only "working" pre-war food I remember from Fallout is Nuka Cola.PhillyT said:
Yeah, I wonder what happens to a human brain inside of a turned-off Brain BotPhillyT said:
.They ran on cold fusion not on "standard" fission, so it's something else than Fatman and nuclear explosions from shooting cars.PhillyT said:
UniversalWolf
eaten by a grue.
VDweller said:
This is an excellent example of why Fallout 1 and 2 are so superior to run-of-the-mill games (like "Fallout 3"). It comes down to raw intellectual superiority in the execution.
Phil the Nuka-Cola Dude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Public said:
All I encounter on the northeast portion of the map are tons of robots and mutant bears.
