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Sander said:
Well, simply put, defensive play is less spectacular than offensive plays, except in the case of sacks and turnovers, basically. So yes, shutdown corners are less spectacular than Drew Brees passing his team down the field in a 2-minute drill.
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For the most part, I'd agree with you, but that's a purely subjective criteria.
And if there was such a strong correlation between spectacularity and profitiability then why are the Redskins one of the most valuable franchises? They haven't done anything spectacular in 15 years.

Who defines spectacular?
I'm not impressed by Drew Brees, what meaningful game has he ever won?

Defensive players can't be spectacular? I'd strongly disagree.
(Bear in mind that half of these plays would get these HOFers a personal foul these days).
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csEodW2ZFEo&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxR9qYSHt8U[/youtube]
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Couldn't find a good Deion compilation.

But the most relevant part is that passes are more spectacular than runs.
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Again subjective. I'd introduce you to guys like
Gale Sayers
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Barry Sanders
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsFhZy9oxuk&feature=related[/youtube]
Earl Campbell
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4hQJelXBQ[/youtube]
Jim Brown
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywWvq8z6-E&feature=related[/youtube]
Walter Payton
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9nSEpw8snE&feature=related[/youtube]
Even Emmit Smith, 168 yards and 10 catches with a seprated should in a meaningfull, playoff clinching game. I never knew running it between the tackles could be so spectacular until I saw that game.

And did you see AP steamroll that kid on the Steelers Sunday? That was fucking spectacular.

Cimmerian Nights said:
He wrote that he had accidentally taken the wrong drink that he was unaware had crystal meth in it, and hence he got away with it.
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Well yeah, and in his forthcoming book he said that was a lie to cover for the fact that he was getting high on meth.
Clearly no sport is above bending the rules to accommodate the superstars who fill the seats.

Well, the limit is what popular opinion will allow for.
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Enter The Lingerie Football League.

Ah yeah, I don't disagree that there aren't 32 top-level QBs in the league. There probably can't be, but a proper feeder league (like the NFL Europe was, or the CFL and AFL might be) would do wonders.
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Well when the whole system is predicated on money, the kids won't wait long enough in whatever minor system there is, and the teams won't wait long enough to develop them. Too many teams operate by the "win now" mentality, and too many college kids operate by the "get paid now" mentality.

However, I also think you fall for the same trap that a lot of professional journalists do, which is the idea that you cannot win without the run
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Wait until the temperature drops and the weather starts. Your running game and Def are what will keep you in games. I'd like to see what Drew Brees can do in Lambeau in December.


Football Outsiders has a ton of interesting stuff on this kind of look at the game.
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Great analysts after-the-fact, but once the ball is hiked, I woudn't trust them to hand out towels.

Also, your last statement there isn't really true. If a QB can only complete 40% of his passes, but doesn't throw many interceptions and gets a lot of yardage on those 40%, he'll do better passing than running.
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I wouldn't want to bet on that.

Similarly, there's a ton of records in European football that won't ever be broken, mostly old scoring records. Because simply, play at that time was at a much lower level, especially defensively, so those records are basically impossible to break now. The game of European football is vastly different now from 30 years ago, in part due to rule changes, in part due to a better understanding of the game and simply increased level of play. Sports change and evolve, meaning that some old records can't be broken, and others will be broken quickly by inferior players. It's in the nature of sports.
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Football stats don't have the sanctity of other sports. You can't compare OJ Simpson to Adrian Peterson becasue he only played 14 games a year. Michael Strahan's sack record is worthless since they didn't start tracking the stat until well into LT's career.

Cimmie said:
I'm not saying they're irreplaceable now. But they will be, just wait. Props to Jimmy Brown and Barry Sanders for going out on their own terms, instead of lingering around like a bad case of VD like Edgerin James.
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But what does this have to do with the rule changes?
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Nothing, this was the "I can inderstand LJ's bitterness the way HBs are treated like spare tires these days" tangent that wandered off.


But there's quite a bit of statistical analysis of the idea that RBs decline after peak years, notably on Football Outsiders and Advanced NFL Stats as a reply. Whether or not it is due to overuse in the season, or simply that the position of RB naturally only has a very small number of peak years doesn't really matter: it's a fact of life that RBs can't compete for as long as QBs, simply because of the nature of the position.
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Sure, it's a combination of both. They take a lot of wear and tear and punishment. That's why Ronde Barber is still playing D, while his twin brother the everydown workhorse is 3 years retired.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
For the most part, I'd agree with you, but that's a purely subjective criteria.
And if there was such a strong correlation between spectacularity and profitiability then why are the Redskins one of the most valuable franchises? They haven't done anything spectacular in 15 years.
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Because they have a strong fanbase. But fanbase is relatively stable, and overall interest in the sport grows with the spectacularity of the sport.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Who defines spectacular?
I'm not impressed by Drew Brees, what meaningful game has he ever won?

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I'm impressed by his play, and if there's any year he's going to win meaningful prizes, it looks like it's going to be this year.

And yes, I know that both defense and running can have exciting players and exciting plays, but passes yield many, many more spectacular plays than runs or defensive plays. Whether the NFL is going too far with this I don't know, but their main motivation is an increase of spectacular plays.

You also have to keep in mind that a greater emphasis on passing also means more interceptions due to sheer volume, which is again spectacular.

Thanks for the vids, though. Lawrence Taylor looks like Shark from Any Given Sunday was based on him. EDIT: Oh shit, that *is* him. Awesome.
Cimmerian Nights said:
He wrote that he had accidentally taken the wrong drink that he was unaware had crystal meth in it, and hence he got away with it.
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Well yeah, and in his forthcoming book he said that was a lie to cover for the fact that he was getting high on meth.
Clearly no sport is above bending the rules to accommodate the superstars who fill the seats.

Cimmie said:
Enter The Lingerie Football League.
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Ahahahahaha what?

Cimmie said:
Well when the whole system is predicated on money, the kids won't wait long enough in whatever minor system there is, and the teams won't wait long enough to develop them. Too many teams operate by the "win now" mentality, and too many college kids operate by the "get paid now" mentality.
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Maybe. If I look at European football the system is much better aimed at developing young talent. There are hundreds of professional teams at all levels, and you can continue to play for the first team of all of them no matter your age, as long as you can handle the competitive level.

The problem with the NFL is that if you aren't at NFL level or clearly have NFL potential when you finish college, you are fucked and can't go to many places. Which is extraordinary for a sport that is so large. Currently there's the CFL, AFL and UFL? That's not a lot of second-tier teams where players can mature.

Cimmie said:
Wait until the temperature drops and the weather starts. Your running game and Def are what will keep you in games. I'd like to see what Drew Brees can do in Lambeau in December.
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I think they've shown a couple times this year that they aren't just a passing team, but that they can also run the ball well and have the defense to stop opposing offenses. If anyone can be named a Super Bowl candidate at this point in the season, it'd be NO.

As I said, against the Jets and the Bills their offense was based almost solely on the run, not on the pass, and their defense got them points.


Cimmie said:
Also, your last statement there isn't really true. If a QB can only complete 40% of his passes, but doesn't throw many interceptions and gets a lot of yardage on those 40%, he'll do better passing than running.
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I wouldn't want to bet on that.
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I would. It's simple mathematics. You can simply calculate thresholds for whatever completion% and yards/catch you want.
Of course, he still needs to get a first down in three tries a lot, but a relatively low completion percentage doesn't automatically mean you're useless.

Cimmie said:
Football stats don't have the sanctity of other sports. You can't compare OJ Simpson to Adrian Peterson becasue he only played 14 games a year. Michael Strahan's sack record is worthless since they didn't start tracking the stat until well into LT's career.
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Yes, that was my point. So if they aren't sacred and don't mean much, why are you whining about Elway being surpassed by Plummer?
 
Twinkie has a point, we got our thread-wires crossed. Take it to the NFL thread or something. Or to the Pats thread, that's a good dumping ground for pointless debates.
 
ok. i'd still really like to make a trade for a productive RB. if anybody could just take a look at my roster and see if anything strikes yr fancy(feast).
 
TwinkieGorilla said:
ok. i'd still really like to make a trade for a productive RB. if anybody could just take a look at my roster and see if anything strikes yr fancy(feast).
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How come no one is interested in Brett Favre? He had a crappy game last week but he's ranked 16th on the season?


I have a ridiculous amount of starting RBs, Including 2 up-and-comers: Knowshown Moreno and Beanie Wells.

I'm looking for productive WRs
 
He's been good up to this point, but I don't like Favre's chances of staying healthy throughout a 16 game season.

Then again I'm 2-5, he'll probably light shit up. Tough game this week for the turncoat.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
He's been good up to this point, but I don't like Favre's chances of staying healthy throughout a 16 game season.

Then again I'm 2-5, he'll probably light shit up. Tough game this week for the turncoat.
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Well, I remember picking him up as backup and perhaps value down the road. Now I'm past Matt Schaub's bye week and he's still performing very well - I don't know If i'll need Favre any more and i need to do something at 2-5. I'm surprised at how many people will put up with bad QBs instead of negotiate for one that is going to score points. I bet he does better than average this Sunday at Lambau.
 
You have one old QB and one QB whose next 16-start season will be his first, and you're looking to trade? Are you nuts? You should be scouring the waiver wire for depth, not sitting back as if your QB situation is eminently superior.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Scahub and Favre are #1 and 8 respectively for QB scoring in our league. Not too shabby.
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Exactly. There are productive qb's I can pick up on the waiver wire. We're talking about 2 ELITE QBs.
 
Once again, like I told Twinkie: there's 11 "ELITE" QBs this season. Trying to deal QBs at that depth is a fool's game, as you'd hope most people are smarter than that. Even with Twinkie hogging 3 starting-level QBs and you having 2 "ELITE" ones, most of us are set.
 
trade accepted, elprez. i kept not starting the fucker, wishing i had, and then every week i go "can i please not have to cheer for fucking Vikings?" and i don't start him again, and regret it, etc.

good fucking riddance, Viqueen!
 
Barring miracles, I'll be 7-1 after tomorrow's game, and back on top by myself. I've got the total point lead anyway. Eat that bitches.

I like how everything is going against Twinkie now. He trades Chris Johnson away for Flacco because Romo has been sucking. Romo goes back to being an awesome fantasy QB immediately, and Johnson has a huge game grabbing his first touchdowns since week 2.

Then he trades away Harvin for Barber. Harvin has a huge 2TD game, Barber has a decent game punching in the ball from the 1-yard line.

Also, somehow FCR decided to finally stop playing Byes against me making it actually interesting for a while.
 
dude, i didn't want Harvin. i fucking hate that i even have to start Peterson. i don't think your n00biness can understand how fucking irritating it is to cheer for your rivals to get more points.

also, what the lol!
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TwinkieGorilla said:
dude, i didn't want Harvin. i fucking hate that i even have to start Peterson. i don't think your n00biness can understand how fucking irritating it is to cheer for your rivals to get more points.
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I get it. I hated every catch Moss made in London. I just like how it's backfiring. Hell, Kharn has a decent shot at beating you. Kharn!

Of course, you did get the now suddenly seemingly competent Chicago D out of that deal.
 
backfiring? have you looked at all of Harvin's points? there really hasn't been a week that i should have benched him but i have been half the time because i don't want to start the fucker! i was glad to use him as trade fodder and i believe Barber was a great trade.

JESUS.

FUCKING.

CHRIST.

of all the motherfucking people on the Saints fucking offense the two that fucking Kharn has on his team both score in the first half? are you fucking shitting me? fuck. fuck you, you, you and you. and your fucking mothers.
 
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