No More Moore!

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Paladin Solo, May 5, 2004.

  1. welsh

    welsh This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 5, 2003
    Keep on Rockin in the Free World!

    Great tune! I am so glad Moore ends Fahrenheit 9/11 with that tune- quite appropriate and it kicks ass.

    I saw it last week and enjoyed it.

    Yes, there will be lots of criticisms that Moore is biased. But he never says he's not. Sure he's on the left-wing, but that's not such a terrible thing.

    You got to wonder why all these folks are out to bash Moore, why Jeb Bush's Florida threatened Disney with tax consequences if they released the flick, why republicans sought to boycott the theaters showing the movie, why some tried to call it campaign advertising.

    Or why people are so afraid of a little free speech.

    Go to the movie, make up you're own mind.

    There are a couple of things that stood out to me-

    (1) the connections between the Bush family and the Saudis, including the Bin Ladens, which makes me wonder if all this close government- business relationship that the Bush family has enjoyed for the last few years is really a good thing for the US. The ties are quite disturbing to say the least.

    (2) The pictures- We might not like the pics that Moore uses but they are telling us something about Iraq and the middle east. Do US soldiers act so badly in Iraq? Not all, true, but some- or have we forgotten that whole prison thing already?

    (3) the bit where Bush is going on his campaign fund raising and he says to a crowd. "Some of call you the 'haves' and 'have mores'. I call you my base." Which makes you wonder if the current administration is really about making the rich richer and fucking everyone else.

    Have the poor and middle classes been fucked by GB.

    (4) American casualities. We have lost about 1000 people in Iraq. But we often forget about those guys who have lost arms and legs.


    Is he telling us stuff that we didn't know? Not really. In the past year a lot of this has come out. That Bush- Saudi-Bin Laden connection?
    House of Bush, House of Saud?
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-7017926-1035021?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    So yes, Moore is on the far left, but as in Bowling for Columbine, his point seems more to make you think than for you to reach conclusions.

    Would you trust a president whose family has made billions connected to the Bin Laden and Saudis? Could there be a bit of a vested interest there?
     
  2. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    I did (before you). And I decided that Moore is a communist fatty who has nothing important to say.

    How? The Bin Ladens are close to the Rockeffellers of Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia is critical to the American Economy, particularly oil, which the Bush family is in.

    Also, the Bin Ladens are not the Hitlers.....most of them are just rich, princes who's worst evil is supporting Islamic schools and missions that spread violence.

    I'm not saying that I don't feel a bit queasy about it, it's just the nature of our relationship with Saudi Arabia.


    That was such bullshit. Like with the "OMFG HE'S A COLLAGE STUDENT" thing.

    You DO realize that, in all likelyhood, he was a terrorist?

    Also, what did you think of the OMFG BUSH Ist LIKES ARABS photo montage? I thought it was rascist.

    The guy has a sense of humor, sue him.

    Still better then Kerry at that damned Bush-Celebrity Hate fest.



    Yes, there could.

    But there is'nt, and even if there was, helping the Bin Laden family is helping a mostly fairly modernized Saudi family which = good.
     
  3. welsh

    welsh This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 5, 2003
    Yes, but you generally think just about everyone who isn't on the right wing is a threat or a commie.


    No, and here is where you are mistkaen. It's not our relationship with Saudi Arabia that worries me. It's the Bush family's relationship with Saudi Arabia and the Bin Ladens that worries me.

    How many companies did Bush blow before presidency and how many were funded by the Saudis?

    How do you think the Saudi's might buy our presidency?
    You are not saying the prison scandal didn't happen are you?

    I was thinking more about the pictures of wounded children, american GIs who have lost legs and arms, and the fat cats who are making a lot of money in this war.


    He should. Last anyone said he had $280 million for his campaign, most of which coming from the top 1% (actually the top 10% of that 1%).

    Are you suggesting this is a guy who lacks vested interests?

    Oh the Coalition of the Wild Eyed? Vs the more compassionate conservative president who-

    (1) Rushed us to war,
    (2) Lied to us
    (3) has screwed the environment
    (4) Is denying aid to families in need
    (5) who botched the war on terrorism
    (6) who allowed 9/11 to happen because he cut funding
    (7) who gave juicy tax cuts to the rich but left the poor out of it.
    (8) allowed america to lose more jobs than any president in years (and though we are getting jobs back, they aren't paying very well).
    (9) Cut funding to education
    (10) Has made the US the most hated nation in the world
    (11) Has used terrorism as a political excuse to push through violations of public policy
    (12) Who has reduced transparency of government.

    and the list goes on.

    Hell, I'm pissed off too.

    I mean instead of saying that Bush is facing the Coalition of the Wild Eyed, perhaps he might ask-
    (1) Why is the country more divided now than any time since Vietnam
    (2) why so many people are pissed off with him that there are even rock concerts to get rid of Bush.





    Nothing like having a foreign special interest telling you what the administration should be doing, is there? Of course another president might get in trouble for this as he's supposed to be serving the american people, not the bin laden family, or his own.

    But that's what you get for aristocrats in the office.
     
  4. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    No, I don't. I think alot of people are commies (Vidal, Chomsky, etc.) but most of them I have statements for that prove them to be.

    I don't think Paul Begala, Al Franken or O'Bama are commies. I don't think the vast majority of Dems are commies or threats, but I think having a weak president in the white house IS a threat, thus I think John and John are one.


    You missed my point. The Bin Ladens are a very, very, very wealthy and influential family in Saudi Arabia. Hell, they own a half dozen HUGE American companies. Thus, as Bush is in the oil industry, they deal with Saudi Arabia, thus with Bin Laden.


    Do you think the Democratic party is impervious to special interests? Quite to the contrary.


    It did. And it was unfortunate. But that's a minority, and Moore tried to make American GI's look like a bunch of Nazis.



    Yeah. Getting money from corrupt unions, corrupt laywers and the NAACP is SO much nobeler.

    :?:

    Have anything besides Michael Mooreesque anicdotal evidence for that?


    That's totally, utterly, remarkably absurd. Clinton had the WTC bombing, and the millenium bombing did'nt happen because some police had some sharp eyes.

    It would've happeend under Gore, admit it.

    Yeah. Jobs in the service sector are SO low paying.
    :roll:


    They hated Bush because he was Bush, there was nothing he could have done to stop that.

    Also notice that when he came into offfice things where already in place for them to hate us.
     
  5. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    Don't expect me to respond for the next day. A really cute Democrat from Hyde Park was just here, and I'm just fucking stoked to see soemone from the UofC in this suburban hellhole.

    I can't belive I gave her money though.
     
  6. Bradylama

    Bradylama Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 22, 2003
    Well Gingersnaps. I don't suppose threadmakers can close their own threads can they?
     
  7. Bradylama

    Bradylama Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 22, 2003
    Well, I don't like Moore because he's a lyer, and makes a mockery of the Documentarian's art.

    I already posted this in the thread I made, but this article by Christopher Hitchens pretty much sums up why I detest Moore as a film maker.
     
  8. Montez

    Montez So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jun 20, 2003
    Don't worry about it being closed, just let it drop to the bottom of the forum.
     
  9. Buckle

    Buckle It Wandered In From the Wastes

    170
    Apr 8, 2004
    Very well put. Ditto from me.
     
  10. EyeMaster7

    EyeMaster7 A Smooth-Skin

    677
    Jan 20, 2004
    I don't think this is going to work. Can you merge the two topics into a new one entitled "We love marylin moore"?
     
  11. Gwydion

    Gwydion Vault Senior Citizen

    May 6, 2003
    Thar she blows! The white whale breaches!
     
  12. TheDiscipleJohn

    TheDiscipleJohn First time out of the vault

    24
    Jul 11, 2004
    He's a propagandist and the populace chows down on his excrement because it's what they want to hear.
    I'm sure the executive office is the seed of all our problems [/sarcasm]
     
  13. RAKTHEUNDEAD

    RAKTHEUNDEAD First time out of the vault

    59
    Jun 18, 2004
    According to The Political Compass: www.politicalcompass.org, almost all of the candidates for the presidency were authoritarian rightists, which hardly qualifies them as communists, let alone liberals(using the meaning which is implied by the word).

    Maybe YOU think that way, but there's a host of others. Syndicalists, socialists, greens, and a host of other political doctrines take residence in the left-wing.(This is directed to ConstipatedCraprunner).
     
  14. Montez

    Montez So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Jun 20, 2003
    Threads merged, so a few posts might seem out-of-context.
     
  15. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    My, quite the scientific approach, a online political compass :roll: What next, ask the I-Chang if Chomsky was directly involved in the Seattle debacle?

    Check Chomsky and Vidal, they'll come up as commies, and as a matter of fact when you take into account Moore's The Big One, he's as red as they are.
     
  16. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    *smack* That political compass takes the actual definition of communism and tries to compare the stances of those communists and the attitudes of thoe communists to other people.
    How, exactly, is that worse than Republicans shouting "Commies!"?
     
  17. John Uskglass

    John Uskglass Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Aug 29, 2003
    So, in you're opinon, what are Chomsky and Vidal? What is a man who could easily be mistaken for the baron Vladimir Harkonen (only without the uber-cool flying ability) who talks about free enterprise not being in the constitution, or how evil corporatism is?
     
  18. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Jul 5, 2003
    Since I really don't know either of them, I don't know.
    Then again, I can't find either of them on the political compass site, so I don't really see any problem in using it.
     
  19. Bradylama

    Bradylama Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 22, 2003
    The political compass is a fairly good measure of one's political leanings.

    I wouldn't call Chomsky a commie, either. He's more of a sensationalist nut.
     
  20. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    :rofl:

    Teh Guru of the Alterglobalist left? Sensationalist? Heck, he's a political Hawking.

    And remember kids, Corporatism is Evil.