North Korea Invades the United States

Sub-Human said:
Whichever side of the conflict China and Russia will take (within reason, of course), the US is not going to declare war on them.
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Obviously, but they still value their (mostly economic) relashionship with the powerhouse that is the US, much more than the economically worthless ''ally'' that is NK, despite all the posturing that staes the contrary. Even China doesn't give a shit about communism anymore. Crni is right, it's all about money, and on that side anyone with half a braincell will anger Pyongyang before angering Washington.
 
I've been reading this thread, and really, I thought some good opinions came out of it.
I'm quite concerned with the ways N. Korea is taking. In most parts, I agree with Lt. Gonzalez, whose is considering an attack from N. Korea is possible.

Anyway, I think this is a quite good article about this matter:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/03/25/think_again_north_korea

Also, the fact that N. Korea closed the Kaesong complex today added quite significantly tension on how far N. Korea is willing to go.
 
well if NK is really so stupid to start an war, then this will be their end.

From the perspective of the US it makes somewhat sense though. I guess they would rather deal with them "now" instead of latter for they case they really can get nuclear weapons ready for any fight, or even with some short range ballistic missiles.

*Edit,
Sorry, shit link you posted up there for an shit page which wants me to always do an shit log in which I really dont care any shit about. Sorry for saying shit so often, but its simply shit :p
 
North Korea is the little ankle biter house pet dog that barks violently through the screen door, but runs like hell if you open the door.
 
Heinz said:
Also, the fact that N. Korea closed the Kaesong complex today added quite significantly tension on how far N. Korea is willing to go.
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Not really, it's just more hollow, and increasingly hysterical posturing. They're bluffs. The usual charade/shakedown.

You ever see a 4 y.o. when they get pissed off "I didn't want to play with your stupid industrial complex anyway, and I'm not gonna be your friend or play red rover or the staring contest with you anymore." :crosses arms and stamps foot conspicuously: OK, jeez, you can have a bite of my Chocodile, quit being such a spaz and swinging that wiffleball bat around.

The sad thing is, it's a dangerous game they play, one day their provocations will cross the line and the poor, starving, brainwashed people will pay the cost.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Heinz said:
Also, the fact that N. Korea closed the Kaesong complex today added quite significantly tension on how far N. Korea is willing to go.
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Not really, it's just more hollow, and increasingly hysterical posturing. They're bluffs. The usual charade/shakedown.

You ever see a 4 y.o. when they get pissed off "I didn't want to play with your stupid industrial complex anyway, and I'm not gonna be your friend or play red rover or the staring contest with you anymore." :crosses arms and stamps foot conspicuously: OK, jeez, you can have a bite of my Chocodile, quit being such a spaz and swinging that wiffleball bat around.

The sad thing is, it's a dangerous game they play, one day their provocations will cross the line and the poor, starving, brainwashed people will pay the cost.
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Pretty much. It's just posturing, all of it.

I do wonder how this sad situation has lasted this long. I guess the US doesn't want to initiate war with a country under China's wings and knows it will turn into an extremely ugly war of attrition if it ever comes to blows, but the latter hasn't stopped them from invading Vietnam and Irak now did it? And I guess it's a pretty strong motivator for South Korea to stay under the US's sphere of influence, while a united Korea would have less and less motivation over time.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess. But this charade cannot last forever; I foresee that, at some point, China and Russia will get fed up with NK's antics and things will change. Then again, last thing China wants is a horde of refugees pounding at its borders...
 
China will fight North Korea before anyone else will. Also, I saw this exact same kind of talk after Bin Laden was killed, and everyone was up in arms over Pakistan's ambiguity on supporting the United State's War on hunting terrorists in the Pakistani region. No war happened then, yes it might happen in the future, but i can say the exact same for North Korea.
 
DammitBoy said:
Saddam learned that lesson the hard way. Sometimes posturing ends up with you at the end of a rope.
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Saddam didn't have papy China watching over his arse, however.
 
Ilosar said:
Cimmerian Nights said:
Heinz said:
Also, the fact that N. Korea closed the Kaesong complex today added quite significantly tension on how far N. Korea is willing to go.
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Not really, it's just more hollow, and increasingly hysterical posturing. They're bluffs. The usual charade/shakedown.

You ever see a 4 y.o. when they get pissed off "I didn't want to play with your stupid industrial complex anyway, and I'm not gonna be your friend or play red rover or the staring contest with you anymore." :crosses arms and stamps foot conspicuously: OK, jeez, you can have a bite of my Chocodile, quit being such a spaz and swinging that wiffleball bat around.

The sad thing is, it's a dangerous game they play, one day their provocations will cross the line and the poor, starving, brainwashed people will pay the cost.
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Pretty much. It's just posturing, all of it.

I do wonder how this sad situation has lasted this long. I guess the US doesn't want to initiate war with a country under China's wings and knows it will turn into an extremely ugly war of attrition if it ever comes to blows, but the latter hasn't stopped them from invading Vietnam and Irak now did it? And I guess it's a pretty strong motivator for South Korea to stay under the US's sphere of influence, while a united Korea would have less and less motivation over time.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess. But this charade cannot last forever; I foresee that, at some point, China and Russia will get fed up with NK's antics and things will change. Then again, last thing China wants is a horde of refugees pounding at its borders...
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I think North Korea has simply the luck of beeing an nation with nothing of value.

I mean seirously. What kind of "stuff" do they have?

They dont have any important oil on their land nor any other interesting resources in large quantity and the only thing North Korea exports are communism and threats and that stuff has not really an big market.

Vietnam was a different political situation. The cold war is over. War has become an industry, privatisation happens even here. Its an expensive thing to do. People have been really afraid about communism in the past. And it was easy to sell an war as act of "defence" or "fight for freedom". Its not that easy to convince people anymore. To start an full war is expensive. - I dont consider the war against Saddam an "real" war though. I mean seirously. It was target practise for the US military. Nothing else.

As far as the US goes, there is nothing to get in North Korea. Hence why I believe why NK survived for such a long time. There is simply nothing of value there.
 
Crni Vuk said:
There is simply nothing of value there.
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Except the assumed deposit of rare mineral resources:
http://www.mine-engineer.com/mining/rare-earths.htm
It would appear that North Korea may be sitting on the world's 2d largest rare earth mineral deposit, next to China's huge deposit. Since China, the world's largest supplier of rare earths, has been reducing export of the minerals in recent years, has the rest of the world scrambling to find other sources for these minerals used in high tech equipment, phones, computers, autos, etc. It is estimated, that at current market prices, North Korea's rare earth deposits are worth upwards of $6,000,000,000,000, and that is a lot of zeros.
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valcik said:
Crni Vuk said:
There is simply nothing of value there.
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Except the assumed deposit of rare mineral resources:
http://www.mine-engineer.com/mining/rare-earths.htm
It would appear that North Korea may be sitting on the world's 2d largest rare earth mineral deposit, next to China's huge deposit. Since China, the world's largest supplier of rare earths, has been reducing export of the minerals in recent years, has the rest of the world scrambling to find other sources for these minerals used in high tech equipment, phones, computers, autos, etc. It is estimated, that at current market prices, North Korea's rare earth deposits are worth upwards of $6,000,000,000,000, and that is a lot of zeros.
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I am curious actually what an "rare earth mineral deposit" is? I mean is NK sitting on huge piles of coper, vanadium, chrome?.

North Korea isnt really big, and I am not sure if one can simply walk over there to inspect their mines and make accurate studies how much resources are really located there. Not saying it might not be true. But a bit more details would be welcome.
 
Rare earth metals are elements like neodymium, lanthanum, yttrium, stuff like that.
Especially neodymium is really important for very strong permanent magnets.
 
Crni:
You didn't read the linked article, what a laziness! :P
Rare earths consist of a group of elements and minerals. These would be comprised of oxides of a series of 15 metallic elements, Cerium, Dysprosium, Erbium, Europium, Gadolinium, Holmium, Lanthanum, Lutetium, Neodymium, Praseodymium, Samarium, Terbium, Thulium, Ytterbium, and Yittrium.
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As for a metals like copper, tungsten and so on, there are some statistics in this pdf document:
http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/country/2010/myb3-2010-kn.pdf
 
Huh? Maybe I am stupid, no clue but

Rare Earth Mineral Update December 15, 2012

North Korea and Rare Earth Minerals

It would appear that North Korea may be sitting on the world's 2d largest rare earth mineral deposit, next to China's huge deposit. Since China, the world's largest supplier of rare earths, has been reducing export of the minerals in recent years, has the rest of the world scrambling to find other sources for these minerals used in high tech equipment, phones, computers, autos, etc. It is estimated, that at current market prices, North Korea's rare earth deposits are worth upwards of $6,000,000,000,000, and that is a lot of zeros. China, their largest trading partner, has moved in to the North Korea mineral mining business, and is the largest miner, currently. However, many other countries have been making progress in talks about operating mines in this rare earth zone, notably Japan and South Korea. The current mines operating in rare earth production are outdated, and very inefficient, estimated to produce only about 1/3 of the product from a ton of ore that a more modern, say US mine would produce.

First, before any foreign company would be willing to risk the large sum of money required to put additional efficient mines into production, North Korea's government must implement policies making it much less risky for any outside company doing business in this Communist Country. Mining is risky enough business, without the real possibility of a government takeover of the company's assets, or stifling regulations instantly appearing, to make it ridiculously expensive for conducting business there. For a cash starved country, North Korea is sitting on a virtual gold mine for a influx of foreign currency, if it will only open the mining to more of a free market setting, and allow foreign countries to develop and sell the resources there, while paying royalties to the government, taxes to the government and employing many North Korean citizens in good jobs. The ball is in North Korea's corner, they must make the next move towards prosperity.


Interesting, but it lacks a lot of details. Just saying. Maybe I am to stupid and its made for Mine-Engineers :P

I am not really used with the subject anyway, but I always thought that currently Africa is the place where most of the minerals are mined. Not to mention there are many places that hold a lot of resources, its just at the moment to difficult to reach them, like certain landscapes in Russia, just thousands of miles away from any infrastructure, the issue of 5-6 months permafrost and harsh winters. I have read about ideas to conect Russia over Alaska with the US building an huge transit for trains or something like that. Very expensive project. To expensive. For now. But once the prices on resources get higher, who knows. Nations already start now to battle over the South Pole, which is basically an whole landmass of resources no one has yet mined.

Also where are those reports about North Korean "resources" come from? Are those "serious" estimations or Soviet-Like data where a lot is simply exagerated. Its somewhat hard to believe that american/european engineers and scientists walked over the fence in South Korea and the North had nothing better to do then let them all walk around in their mines to see how much resources they have. Chinese experts probably have been around there to see how much buisness their companies can do with North Korea. But even with that I guess they have ont gave them access to all areas. The North Korean government is very paranoid. Not to mention the numbers and specifications they gave the chinese could be also fabricated in some parts. I am NOT saying the article is wrong, lieing or what ever. Just that I would take it with a grain of salt simply because its North Korea we are talking about. For more then 40 years the Soviets did pretty much the same. Fabricating numbers in their economy, with resources and weapons to look "bigger" then they really have been. Just look at those "the best worker" events where a single worker mined several tons of coal in one week or somehing. Communistic states like the Soviets or North Korea have a habit of "lying" with such things. Or at least with not telling the whole story.
 
.. that's just the last update what you are quoting, Crni. There are three separated parts of text on that page. (Anyway, you are right, all the estimated numbers needs to be taken with a grain of salt.)
 
DammitBoy said:
Saddam learned that lesson the hard way. Sometimes posturing ends up with you at the end of a rope.
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Are you seriously comparing the demoralized, barely recovered Iraqi Army with the fourth largest, fanatical military of North Korea?
 
Tagaziel said:
Are you seriously comparing the demoralized, barely recovered Iraqi Army with the fourth largest, fanatical military of North Korea?
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To his defense, large amounts of infantry don't amount to much when 1) the US have much, much better equipment and ordnance and 2) they depend on international aid to feed them and power their vehicles, which will be cut if war breaks out.
 
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