Norwegian Scientists Disprove God

[PCE said:
el_Prez]It's a lot easier to to say 'oh, that religion stuff is bullshit' than to actually believe and give your life to a God that you cant physically see or hear (unless he talks to you but that hasnt happend for quite some time).

non-beleivers - Doesnt it scare you to know that when you die there is only nothingness?
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El_Prez, I don't think it is easier to disbelieve. My reasoning for disbelief is well thought out and based on much evidence. But as with believing there is one basic assumption which can never be proven. I have no fears about the lack of an afterlife. It is inconsequential, life is all that is important not the afterlife. A billion years down the road I couldn't imagine a hell worse than being above the clouds with an infinite number of boring dolts that incessantly talk about joy and love.
 
Its not about what you're doing after you die, its about how you lived. I feel fine about dying(at a nice old age) because once I'm dead, I won't care about anything else. I can't, because I'm dead. Make good friends, have a good time, and do something that people will remember. Whether that's building a sky-scraper, or being an enjoyable person to others. That's my opinion, anyway.
 
JJ86 said:
El_Prez, I don't think it is easier to disbelieve. My reasoning for disbelief is well thought out and based on much evidence. But as with believing there is one basic assumption which can never be proven. I have no fears about the lack of an afterlife. It is inconsequential, life is all that is important not the afterlife. A billion years down the road I couldn't imagine a hell worse than being above the clouds with an infinite number of boring dolts that incessantly talk about joy and love.
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Evidence that God doesn't exist? How exactly have you, alone among the entire human race, managed to prove a negative?
 
APTYP said:
When you demand that God "show" himself, you are assuming 'him' to be an old white male with grey beard, white pajamas and shiny halo? Ever occured to you that "Children's Bible"-s illustrations might be, umm, artistic depictions?
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Agreed. I don’t believe that God is an entity that can be seen. Actually I would like to believe that God is a force that can be experienced by all senses. Religion is not a big object in my life. I wouldn’t necessarily say that I’m atheist but its just that I don’t think I would find comfort in being very religious. On the other hand, there are many who do, but religion can be very dangerous and not only in cult- type situations. I was friends with a person who was not religious at all in the past. Then all of a sudden something happened to him one summer and he turned to Christianity. I have no idea what because he would not tell me, and now we don’t even speak because I find it extremely difficult to have a, what I consider, a normal conversation with him. He looks at everything in life through the Bible and he talks about it non-stop. I feel about him the same way as many people feel about their friends who turned to drug abuse.

Here’s my all-time favorite quote about religion. It’s from Seinfeld:

"God would never let me be successful. He'd kill me first. He'll never let me be happy."
"I thought you didn't believe in God?"
"I do for the bad things."
- George and his therapist, in "The Pilot"
 
JJ86 said:
Gwydion said:
Evidence that God doesn't exist? How exactly have you, alone among the entire human race, managed to prove a negative?
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I haven't seen him, have you?
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I haven't seen any sign of intelligent life not originating from Earth, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I think it does.

I've never actually seen the wind either. Sure, I've felt it, and seen its effects, but I've also felt the presence of God.

The interesting thing about this is that up until about 2 years ago I was an atheist. A very militant and devout athiest. Then one evening, God made His presence known to me.

So, all of you who say 'Why doesn't He [God] just show himself', I've said the same thing many times before. And then He did.
 
Well Tone, perhaps you are very special. All I know is I've seen lots of mysterious things in my many years of life here. Of course I've realized that upon some serious reflection I have been able to rationalize them into something meaningful rather than something supernatural. Yes, sight is a sense as are the other four, yet what I mentioned before is that it all comes down to some irrational belief. My irrational belief is that he doesn't exist. And being very familiar with the rationality of my irrationality and how well it predicts the nature of the many things around me, I am inclined to side with what I believe. The proof is in the pudding as they say and my pudding tastes fine, thank you.
 
JJ86 said:
Well Tone, perhaps you are very special. All I know is I've seen lots of mysterious things in my many years of life here. Of course I've realized that upon some serious reflection I have been able to rationalize them into something meaningful rather than something supernatural. Yes, sight is a sense as are the other four, yet what I mentioned before is that it all comes down to some irrational belief. My irrational belief is that he doesn't exist. And being very familiar with the rationality of my irrationality and how well it predicts the nature of the many things around me, I am inclined to side with what I believe. The proof is in the pudding as they say and my pudding tastes fine, thank you.
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In other words, you believe what you want and all that talk of "evidence" was just pucky.
 
I wouldn't say I'm special. I go to church with 100 other people who feel the same as I do, and have experienced much the same. I belong to a faith that has 11 million members, which at one point felt the same (some have gone 'inactive', but all were baptized).

However, I understand that beliefs of the masses doesn't 'prove' anything. At one time everyone thought the world was flat and the earth the center of our solar system. However, when you are talking about faith, it lends credence that so many of us experience the same feelings when we feel we are touched by God (through the Holy Ghost).

JJ86, I was once in your boat. I had a whole website dedicated to the "fallacy of religion". There are plenty of good arguements either way. But my question to you is, have you ever looked for God, not in a sense to prove that He exists, but as a guide? Have you ever gone to church with an open mind?

Take this link for what it is worth to you
 
Ah religion

An interesting topic in any forum. A little spark and you'll hear some "exotic" trains of thought. As for the person who asked about why "God" didn't manifest itself before him, try this from a wanna-be-scientist: what makes you think that you could be able to perceive and/or make any sense of what "It" shows itself to be. For all you know, "It" might be an entity from a higher dimensional plane (dimensions as defined in Matricial and Vectorial Algebra, R^5) which you would NEVER even be able to perceive since your four-dimensional brain (you see, it is impossible to perceive things from a higher dimensional plane from yours because your brain can't make any sense of any of the other dimensions (you see, as a two-dimensional being (imagine a flat surface), you wouldn't be able to perceive a third dimension (which we call depth or Z) since your brain was designed to function in a two-dimensional universe) and thus brings to light something you might want to ponder for a few minutes: you are a "god" in relation to any entities existing in a lower dimensional plane than yours (X < R^4) as your are nothing to entities on a higher dimensional plane than yours (X > R^4)) wouldn't make sense of it. If you think that all this higher dimensions talk is rubbish, then I suggest you research into the topics of:

1) The unification of the Theory of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics.

2) The M-theory.

3) Superstrings.

4) Dirac's Sea.

You should have at least a basic understanding of calculus and matricial and vectorial algebra to make any sense of what you might find. If you start seeing uber-complicated equations, try another source. The works of Dr. Michio Kaku might prove helpful.

In the case you believe the dimensional planes conception of the multiverse, Atheism and Religions find VERY different meanings. Often, you will find yourself trapped in "how the hell am I going to make sense of this" mind traps as I am.
 
God didn't create the world, or the universe, or animals, or air or humans. Those things allowed humans to exist, and since as we as a race could not understand that, we created something we could understand, and believe in, and look forward to.

God didn't create Man. Man created God. And whether or not God, Heaven, and Hell exist, I don't know. All I can go on is how I see it.

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you are a "god" in relation to any entities existing in a lower dimensional plane than yours
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So then by your reasoning, we are nothing to "God." So having God as something other than an entity we cannot perceive, and as something that can perceive us is impossible.

So basically, to us he doesn't exist.

All I'm saying is, until I see, or feel, or whatever, something that I can comprehend as proof of the existance of God, I remain undecided.
 
God is insane because he had no father figure!

On dimensional planes: like GG correctly mentions this would mean that God didn't create this world because he doesn't exist in our dimensional plane (see vector math rules).
Oh, and dimensional planes and time travel are mathematical concepts, not physical facts. So meh.
 
Ghetto Goose said:
God didn't create the world, or the universe, or animals, or air or humans. Those things allowed humans to exist, and since as we as a race could not understand that, we created something we could understand, and believe in, and look forward to.

God didn't create Man. Man created God. And whether or not God, Heaven, and Hell exist, I don't know. All I can go on is how I see it.
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Yet you've clearly made up your mind on issues that you can't "see."
 
Gwydion said:
Yet you've clearly made up your mind on issues that you can't "see."
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Thats how I see it at this point in time, until proven otherwise. The point is, I'm willing to be proven otherwise, rather than some who would disreguard facts and points on either side of the argument.
 
I have a question for those that don't believe God exists. I already asked it, but it may have been either missed or conveniently ignored.

Do you believe there is intelligent life out there that is not from earth? If your answer is yes, whether or not you admit it, you are exercising faith in something that has not been seen or proven either way.
 
This is getting very interesting, let me give you my little theory on god and religion.

I think, that god as he is given andworshipped within the Christian belief, and every other belief, doesn't exist. I've found that there are some contradictions within that church, not to mention that most christians don't even behave like a christian should according to the bible.
I think that there IS something out there, but what that something is, I do not know. I am a supporter of many sciences, but I am also a supporter of the belief that there is some kind of entity out there. And I've also found that there is in no way any kind of scientific evidence that would disprove the existance of such a god.

I'd also have to concur with the thought about dimensions. Perhaps that is where a god exists, perhaps that is where a higher form of life exists, and perhaps not. IN fact, I don't think there's any way of kowing, I don't think that there's actually much point in thinking about these things....
 
a few things from Prez....

First of all, ive noticed a lot of what i call "tough guy" approach to death. Sure you feel comfortable dying a long time from now... but what would you be thinking say if you were on an airplane going down. You know you have only minute or so left on earth, what would you be thinking? isnt it sad to think that you could die any moment and your entire life would be meaningless? Tommarrow, driving to work you could get T-Boned by a semi and be dead on impact.

next, i dont see how you could believe in an afterlife if you dont believe in a god or a religion.

If their is no God, can you scientifically prove the existance of right and wrong?
 
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