Norwegian Scientists Disprove God

Gwydion said:
Ah... But who desides what is good evidence? Why, you will, of course. So what it really boils down to is you won't believe in God until you decide to believe in God.
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I'll decide to believe in God, when I get enough reason to. You don't decide to stop your car without reason, but when you see that red light, you hit the friggan brakes.

And don't give me another line about how its my fault I don't recognize God, even though theres no reason to IMO.
 
Are you going to look for that reason or are you going to sit at your computer demanding that it falls into your lap? How often does that happen in life, things just happening for you? You're a black man, you're supposed to be oppressed, haven't you figured out that you have to find things on your own?
 
This topic seems to be *really* irking some people, so I'll try to stay out of controversy.

Gwydion said:
At some point, something must have come from nothing whether or not God exists.
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I agree. Why does *anything* exist? How can something come out of nothing?

This is exactly why I never understood the Big Bang theory in fifth grade. The universe was apparently smaller than, and contained, in matter smaller than the size of an atom. But where *was* this matter? And if God exists, who created God?

I have no answer to anything either way, so I don't think about it anymore. I don't mind living life obliviously; call me a "sheep" if you will, but it merely frustrates me thinking about something that may never be answered. In eleventh grade I figured I'd never know the answer, so why bother? I have my beliefs and that's that.. it's hard to prove or disprove theories with regards to "God".

I like to believe in an afterlife, mostly because it depresses me to think that death is "the end". But until it's proven or disproven, I don't argue my point of view because I'm always nervous of offending people. Welcome to the world of a shy person.
 
Gwydion said:
Are you going to look for that reason or are you going to sit at your computer demanding that it falls into your lap? How often does that happen in life, things just happening for you? You're a black man, you're supposed to be oppressed, haven't you figured out that you have to find things on your own?
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Hey holy roller, preach your bullshit to someone who gives a damn.

If you're any indication of what religion can do, I say screw it all.

I've been to church. I've given it a try. Sure it's fine for people who need something like that. Whatever makes you happy. But when there are people going to church out of fear of eternal damnation or something like that, its wrong. All the reasons I've turned up for believeing in God haven't changed my mind, and until I see something new and amazing, I'm not gonna waste my time searching.
 
Yeah, that's about what I expected. People like to say, "Where's God, I want to see proof," but they never get off their asses to do anything about it. Until these people have really examined the major religions, and the philosophies behind them, they've got no business claiming to know better than billions of people for thousands of years.

Make me an expert on child care, I'm qualified because I have an unresearch opinion! I'll be the next Dr. Spock!
 
Gwydion said:
megatron said:
WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE HIM? HUH HUH?
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I've got some bad news for you, Pyro. At some point, something must have come from nothing whether or not God exists.
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Well there could have been the universe imploding on itself and just rippling out and in for infinite

If there is a god then, where is he? If he created man in his own image, wouldn't he be a carbon-based life-form living on a planet almost exactly like earth? Or is he in the clouds looking over us with his magic.

Also, do you support the theory of evolution or the garden of eden?

I'm guessing you're a christian, the religeon with the least amount of monster gods D: You could at least have a 6-armed elephant thingy, at least that could kill satan which god decided to let live because he's so kind and shit.
 
megatron said:
Well there could have been the universe imploding on itself and just rippling out and in for infinite
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There would have to be something there in order for it to implode. Nothing doesn't just implode into something.

Also, do you support the theory of evolution or the garden of eden?
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I believe that God works through science, like someone else mentioned. The creation story in the Bible isn't and never was intended to be a literal description of the creation of the universe. it's much more relevant in establishing our relationship with God and our place in the world.
 
So all people in any major religion studied up on it for years and years then? I bet the number wouldn't be so high if people waited until their children were old enough smart enough to make their own decision.

And did I say I was a theology scholar? No, I'm telling you how I see I. (Do I need to clairify this again, or do you get it now?)
 
Ghetto Goose said:
So all people in any major religion studied up on it for years and years then? I bet the number wouldn't be so high if people waited until their children were old enough smart enough to make their own decision.
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I don't believe that everyone has studied this issue, but they should. If you going to have some kind of belief that's this important, you should know what you actually believe.

And did I say I was a theology scholar? No, I'm telling you how I see I. (Do I need to clairify this again, or do you get it now?)
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Heh. Awfully defensive, Goose. I never assumed any more than this, I'm just enjoying shaking up a few armchair theologians.
 
Gwydion said:
I don't believe that everyone has studied this issue, but they should.
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But the truth is, most people join a religion because of the way they were raised, and or tradition.

If you going to have some kind of belief that's this important, you should know what you actually believe
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And I know what I actually believe, and until I see reason to change what I believe, I'm not changing.

I think if there is a God, and he could do anything he wanted, I don't think he'd worry about banishing sinners to hell, and enforcing his wrath. Why worship an asshole?

And if theres a God, he's sure not doing a very good job. Why would he have people suffer at all? He's god. Snap his fingers, and starving kids are rich and well fed. Maybe more people would believe in him then. "He's Mysterious?" Mysteriously absent.

The only thing I thank the idea of "god" for is for getting the human race through tough times. Now all it seems to do is piss people off.

People kill in the name of god, people die in the name of god. It just ain't worth it.
 
Ghetto Goose said:
But the truth is, most people join a religion because of the way they were raised, and or tradition.
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Some do, some don't. I was raised an atheist, my best friend was raised an atheist, we're both devout Christians now. Did you ever stop and wonder that maybe their experience as children allows them to realize that God is real?

Ghetto Goose said:
And I know what I actually believe, and until I see reason to change what I believe, I'm not changing.

I think if there is a God, and he could do anything he wanted, I don't think he'd worry about banishing sinners to hell, and enforcing his wrath. Why worship an asshole?
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Wow, did anyone ever hear about freewill and allowing us to make our own choices, and then accepting responsibility? You're probably one of those people that wants to see someone sue McDonald's for making them fat.

Ghetto Goose said:
And if theres a God, he's sure not doing a very good job. Why would he have people suffer at all? He's god. Snap his fingers, and starving kids are rich and well fed. Maybe more people would believe in him then. "He's Mysterious?" Mysteriously absent.
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Yes, and without evil there'd be no good. Without suffering and poverty there would be no charity. I love this arguement because people seem to think God expects us to be some sort of automatons, puppets on a string or something. Yeah, there obviously can't be a God who would want to see if we actually follow the rules He set down for us (Matthew 5:7, 16; Mark 10:21)

Ghetto Goose said:
The only thing I thank the idea of "god" for is for getting the human race through tough times. Now all it seems to do is piss people off.

People kill in the name of god, people die in the name of god. It just ain't worth it.
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Yeah, the people in my church go on regular hunting sprees through the streets of our town, shooting anyone who looks like an unbeliever.

People kill for money, lust, passion, etc...
 
Ghetto Goose said:
Hey holy roller, preach your bullshit to someone who gives a damn.

If you're any indication of what religion can do, I say screw it all.
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Well, you are showing that it matters enough by replying, continuously. Feel free to leave the forums if you want, but at least try to make a point without trying to degenerate the topic into senseless pre-teen drivel. Cussing makes one sound so mature and knowledgeable.

Megatron said:
?yea well why dont u go have sex after your married and have a million kids fuckface >_<<<;;
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I'll bet you learned that in elementary school! I'm working on having about 6 but my wife wants to stop at 4. A million might be a problem in this life...
 
Since I saw something about the beginning of the universe, I'll post the generally accepted scientific approach:

Since we need a beginning for our primitive minds to understand, let's say we take the big bang beginning(NO, I'm not going to discuss whether it's correct or not, I'm merely going to say what is generally accepted). Then we go BEFORE that big bang. Because the Big Bang was the utter beginning(as we just established) before that, there must've been nothing(If you don't like that, take some other point as a beginning, and go back from THAT). And if there is nothing, there are no laws to hold the nothing, meaning that anything can happen. That is the most difficult concept to grasp, if there is nothing, there are no laws, and anything can happen. THAT is the currently generally accepted scientific explanation.

ANd it doesn't even form a conflict with God. If from the nothing, God came, then there is no conflict. If God came and made the Big Bang: no conflcit. If the bible isn't supposed to be taken literally: no conflict!!
 
OKay here is my small question:

Now god is supposed to be all good.

He is allso supposed to be incapebole of making mistakes.(read perfect)

And nothing god does can leed to evil.

God created everything.

Where does the evilness come from?
 
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