Old School weaponry

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

actually, that's not a Colt Commander, this is:

What you posted is the officers subcompact model. So there.

Mine is still cooler.

And the mini M-16 is actually Colt Commando

 

[Claw]

Actually, "this" is nothing.

 

[Lazarus Plus]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned the MG 42, but it would be a cool weapon even if somewhat out of place. One of the best GPMGs ever made, after all.

 

[Lord 342]

I love the MG42. That sucker was FAST. It inspired abject, trouser-soiling terror in anyone who opposed it becaue of the fact that the rounds were fired so close together that they weren't even discernably seperate. The sound was often compared to tearing linoleum.

 

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

Actually, "this" is nothing.

Yeah, I know, imagine that, of all the pictures on world.guns.ru this one had to go missing.

Will repair.

 

[the_move]

Well, I completed Mortyr 2, and in this game there were
Wehrmacht Elite Soldiers wearing some kind of power armor
and wielding an MG34 just by hand, no Bipod. Really cool.

I would love to see either the Rheinmetall MG42 (7.92mm x 57
Mauser ammo) or the slightly modified daughter MG3 Rheinmetall
(7.62mm x 61 NATO ammo) in this game.

And I would even more love to see the old "Ari 08" in Fallout 3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luger

It´s simply a WWI Luger 08 with a 200 mm long barrel,
a buttstock and 32 round drum magazine.

IMHO more stylish than a 7 shot .45 1911. And more
accurate and powerful, thanks to the longer barrel and buttstock.

Further on my personal wish list:

- M1 Carbine (single shot, which should cost even 2 AP less)
- Shotguns with capability to fire both rounds simultaneously
- Striker Combat Shotgun
- Franchi SPAS
- Springfield M1903 Sniper
- Rheinmetall Fallschirmjägergewehr FG 42 model 3 with single
shot, burst mode and Bayonett melee attack. Should also have
accuracy perk like Mauser C96, thanks to the scope.

 

[SkynetV4]

I absolutely love the FG42. Loved it in Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Loved in Silent Storm (you got it WAY too late in the game in Silent Storm Sentinels for it to be of any use).

 

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

Yeah, since there are millions of drum magazine Lugers and FG42s just scattered around the American mid-west. Not.
Still, the FG42 could be modified to resemble something that would fit the Fallout universe.

 

[the_move]

Yeah, since there are millions of drum magazine Lugers and FG42s just scattered around the American mid-west. Not.
Still, the FG42 could be modified to resemble something that would fit the Fallout universe.

Well, since USA has so many obsessed Weapon Collectors and
fanatics I am pretty sure, you will find an Ari Luger in some
Collections. Try Texas, if you don´t find it in California!
Some even started to manufacture parts or complete
duplicates for sale.

In fact, I assure you, you will find more of these in USA than in
Germany, since people in Germany are not allowed to own guns
that easily like they can in most states of America.

Same goes for the FG42!
Oh, Btw! Do you have Alien Blasters in the US already?
And Rheinmetall Vindicator Gatlings? And tons of G11?
It´s a game, for Christ sake!

 

[Tagaziel]

I think I can cook up a description:

SAR-77

"This oddly looking machinegun is a prototype, developed in the early 2077. Due to the testing phase not finished, it never actually seen real battle.
It is a very accurate squad support weapon, with a high quality Triveld x20 scope and a 60 round drum magazine, making it able to act as a both sniper rifle and machine gun. The body is made of highly durable polymers, making it lightweit and endurant at the same time. Designed for special operations units, it can be also modified for various purposes, since it is composed of several interchangeable parts, such as silencing it, or turning into a compact machine gun, where there is little space."

SAR stands for "Special Assault Rifle"

It would have "Weapon accurate", sport a 60 round magazine, filled with 5mm or 7,62mm (depends which is more appropriate).
Single, targeted single and burst fire modes.

Extremely rare (can be found only in underground bases [or in highly advanced places, such as the Enclave or Brotherhood])

Price: 19500$
Dmg: 25-65
Req: 6 ST (and at least 70% Big Guns, if possible)

Note on acquiring: To acquire it, you should have to bypass at least 2 security locks (Science check here, one tougher than the other), rewire an access panel, and finally, avoid to be torn to bits by proximity charges, put in after the base's sealing. Optionally, several Sec-Bots could guard it (no robobrains, theyre far too fragile for this.)

 

[the_move]

Why is an Assault Rifle considered a "Big Gun"?
Sorry, but actually this should be placed under "small arms"
Oh, and that SAR-77 has no characteristics of an Assault Rifle.
That is more like a light machinegun like the SAW.
An assault rifle has to be light and comfortable, so it can not sport a big heavy ammo load like a big drum of that calibre.
The G11 has 45 round clips, but that´s because the 4.7 caseless ammo is far smaller and lighter in weight than the 5.56mm.
Also it sported 3 clips on top for quick change.

Big Guns are more likely general purpose, light, medium and heavy
machine guns, machine cannons, grenade launchers, grenade
machine guns, rocket and missile Launchers

This brings me to another point.

I miss the MK19 and/or H&K GMG
(Grenade machine guns)

as well as smaller grenade guns like the M79 single shot
or the Mk-1 revolver grenade launcher.
Also underbarrel nade launchers on assault rifles would be cool.

 

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

Well, since USA has so many obsessed Weapon Collectors and
fanatics I am pretty sure, you will find an Ari Luger in some
Collections. Try Texas, if you don´t find it in California!
Some even started to manufacture parts or complete
duplicates for sale.

In fact, I assure you, you will find more of these in USA than in
Germany, since people in Germany are not allowed to own guns
that easily like they can in most states of America.

I don't think so. For one thing weapons like that are completely illegal to own in the U.S.

Same goes for the FG42!
Oh, Btw! Do you have Alien Blasters in the US already?
And Rheinmetall Vindicator Gatlings? And tons of G11?
It´s a game, for Christ sake!

No, I dont', since it's not 2142 yet.

Also, the debate is about what gun could be realistically found (in large numbers) in the U.S. mid-west. Two or three duplicates found in a collection hardly qualify.

 

[the_move]

I don't think so. For one thing weapons like that are completely illegal to own in the U.S.

Whoa, wait a second. In some states you can buy any kind
of military weaponry, just all you need is to be adult.
Weapons with burst fire, huge calibre, even explosives.
And you want to tell me these puny ones are illegal?

Ok, for small handguns like pistols and revolvers you maybe need
a special license, since they are easy to carry covered.
But come on, what should be illegal about a WWI and a WWII
weapon. Especially compared to modern Assault Rifles at your
local arms dealer?

No, I dont', since it's not 2142 yet.
Also, the debate is about what gun could be realistically found (in large numbers) in the U.S. mid-west. Two or three duplicates found in a collection hardly qualify.

Well then, same goes to the majority of arms found in those games. Blade Runner gun, lasers, plasma and pulse rifles
(hey, even some lousy Raiders sport those), gatling guns, etc.

1. I am sure more than only 2 or 3 US collectors got those guns.
2. These guns - esp. the Ari 08 - would be ideal as Quest Rewards
or at special encounters? Like in Fallout 1 the Blade Runner
Pistol, Turbo Plasma Rifle, Red Ryder, and the Alien Blaster!

Please be more creative! This game gives a lot of opportunities.

 

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

Well, I completed Mortyr 2,

They made a sequel, was it as cheesy as the first game?

Also, the debate is about what gun could be realistically found (in large numbers) in the U.S. mid-west. Two or three duplicates found in a collection hardly qualify.

Funny I thought the debate was about which guns would fit the Fallout setting.

Oh, Btw! Do you have Alien Blasters in the US already?
And Rheinmetall Vindicator Gatlings? And tons of G11?
It´s a game, for Christ sake!

It's a game with a particular setting, just because some of the previous devs put in any old weapons (for whatever reasons) doesn't mean that FO3 should continue the trend. Let's have a sequel that repairs the damage to the Fallout universe not one that rips open the wound and helps it haemorrhage to death.

 

[Tagaziel]

SAR is the name of the prototype, it stands for 'Special' Assault Rifle, and 77 because it was developed in 2077. (And eggheads made it )

Upon it's introduction into US Army, it would propably be renamed to match the line, eg. AR-15 - M16, then SAR-77 - M19 (par exemple)

If there is arule as to the M16, M24, what-other-name, naming, can somebody inform me what it is?

Oh, and if it's possible to code it, may it be possible, that singles base on SmallGuns and Bursts on BigGuns?

 

[the_move]

Oh, and if it's possible to code it, may it be possible, that singles base on SmallGuns and Bursts on BigGuns?

Well a rocket launcher is a single shot is it a small arm then?
No!

Small arms qualify in weight and purpose. Assault rifles are meant
for assault, therefor they are light in weight and compact and
comfortable in design. This is why they are considered being small arms. SMG also fire bursts, but are "small arms".

Sure I would see ARs as heavy weaponry and and someone "heavily armed" with these, but this does not make them "Big Guns".

"Big Guns" are actually heavy bulky arms, which you would not
use on foot normally. Machine Guns are mounted on bipods,
tripods or even vehicles normally. They are usualy belt-fed and not
by clip. Older obsolete machine guns featured magazines, like the
BREN or the Type 99, but these were ineffective in case of support
of suppressive fire, a reason why nowadays machine guns have
belts and not clips.

Rocket Launchers are fired from the shoulder and
actually their reload time takes a while. It should be more like 3 AP
in Fallout.

BTW, there already is an M19. I posted it earlier.

 

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

If there is arule as to the M16, M24, what-other-name, naming, can somebody inform me what it is?

Actually, the new official assault rifle of the U.S. army is the M-8. Go figure.

 

[the_move]

Actually, the new official assault rifle of the U.S. army is the M-8. Go figure.

The (X)M-8 is just a H&K G-36 with some visual alterations.

Same to the OICW. Under the Grenade Launcher an assault rifle
based on the H&K G36K is placed.

BTW. This would be a nice weapon for Fallout 3.

 

[Lord 342]

Guns from WWII were very popular souvenirs, especially the luger pistol. I know a gun collector who has a couple and he just has the basic pistol licence. There are no weapons whatsoever that are "illegal" to own in the US. You just need to go through the proper red tape and you can get your very own machine gun. It only gets difficult if you want to carry a weapon concealed in some states, or if you want something fully automatic, in which case you need to be a bonded collector or type III dealer, but even that's not un-attainable by any means. Besides, this is all moot for Fallout as clearly the Fallout world had fewer weapons laws than our current one does.

The FG42 is nice but not many were made. I'm not sure exactly how many would make it over to the US. If I were designing the game, I'd put an area in that would be roughly like the Toxic Caves inasmuch as it's completely optional, but has good loot. It would be the house of a WWII veteran, and in it would be a few things of interest, lots of story stuff like newspaper clippings from before the (Big) war, since he kept that, and if you found his safe there would be some souvenirs he kept: The FG42, the Luger, and the Japanese sword (only one in game). Thus there would be something for melee characters as well as gunners... often the game forgot one type of character or the other existed...

 

[the_move]

This is a trinket from the very first world war 1914-18.
And I am sure with all the accessoires and gimmicks plus good, yet
fitting and accurate stats and characteristics almost every player
would like to have that baby. At least the pistol loving players.

Imagine:

9mmx19 ammo
high accuracy, damage and range due to the long barrel and
buttstock for stabilizing (30 hex + accuracy perk like the Mauser)
32 round drum for large ammo capacity.