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Montez said:
Nevermind the Bowling and Drag Racing, I defy anyone to tell me who makes better Where's Waldo games!
'What they do best' indeed.
PC Gamer blog: everyone will love Fallout 3, except us.
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Nevermind the Bowling and Drag Racing, I defy anyone to tell me who makes better Where's Waldo games!
'What they do best' indeed.
MurkyShadow
Still Mildly Glowing
Sander said:
And before that, Morrowind quite pissed of a lot of Daggerfall fans.
I thought it was always strange, when reading of the
'Elder Scrolls Fanbase'.
MurkyShadow said:
Well, to quote a *really awesome article* I once happened to read coincidentally and coitally:
Yet this is a risk that should be gambled with great hesitation. Franchise disloyalty, especially to a highly committed and loyal fanbase such as Fallout, will generate moral outrage at their perception of betrayal. Fans have been loyal to the franchise and whose past appreciation of prior games have created not only the expectations and tenets of the franchise but also the games "good name". They will lash out in anger that the developers have tarnished a reputation of a game they have grown to love. It is possible that protest could be dispelled if the original creators were doing the reform or if new developers were recovering a franchise wrongly betrayed. Short of this, many would feel as if the new developers were like foster parents who have willfully deformed another person's baby.
In cases of franchise disloyalty, one lifeline between the franchise and the fanbase is cut off to tie a new one with a new fanbase. But despite this retying the franchise is in fact dead. Arena/Daggerfall is a seperate franchise from Morrowind, which is seperate from Oblivion, despite them being a single series.
MurkyShadow
Still Mildly Glowing
For, whatever reason, this article sounds quite familiar to me,
ah, the memory is fading, where did I happen to step over it...
However, it seems to me like the author has a point.
Still remembering the mistake of buying Morrowind blind,
collectors edition and all, some faded Daggerfall memories in mind,
at first it seemed quite nice, till one recognized, there was nothing
but emptiness to find, and more and more of it, but,
that's all been said already, over, and over again.
ah, the memory is fading, where did I happen to step over it...
However, it seems to me like the author has a point.
Still remembering the mistake of buying Morrowind blind,
collectors edition and all, some faded Daggerfall memories in mind,
at first it seemed quite nice, till one recognized, there was nothing
but emptiness to find, and more and more of it, but,
that's all been said already, over, and over again.
Styrofoam Peanuts
First time out of the vault
Madbringer might be a spy... He's defending Beth an awful lot...
-Brian
-Brian
Styrofoam Peanuts
First time out of the vault
Actually, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know "madbringer" and I certainly don't want to accuse the innocent, but I have noticed that more and more news posts are about things that aren't Fallout related. They're about other games that could never be Fallout. And a lot of people have been lingering saying things which seem strange. I'm just worried that we're becoming the victims of PR spies. My bad. Goldstein? Big Brother is always watching?
-Brian
-Brian
The idea of Bethesda agents infiltrating the forum to defend the company or dissolve the focus of our news coverage is in a word, ridiculous. Or perhaps 'paranoid.' In the end, I don't see why they would bother; I don't see what positive effect it would bring about that would be worth the trouble. Really, I wouldn't worry about it, perfectly natural for people to have differing opinions.
Besides our obligatory Fallout coverage; we cover post-apocalyptic RPGs, or similar games that we feel the community might be interested in. While there isn't much in the way of Fallout news at the moment, we report on everything that we find. Once Bethesda is a bit more free with Fallout information, you will see much more in the way of Fallout coverage from use.
Besides our obligatory Fallout coverage; we cover post-apocalyptic RPGs, or similar games that we feel the community might be interested in. While there isn't much in the way of Fallout news at the moment, we report on everything that we find. Once Bethesda is a bit more free with Fallout information, you will see much more in the way of Fallout coverage from use.
Has the possibility of Bethesda's plans ever been proposed as this?
-Bethesda is treating Fallout fans poorly, because it is trying to reel-in the Console crowd for what will ultimately be a good and proper Fallout game? For they know the Fallout fans will flock if its decent, but perhaps they think they have to deceive the Console kiddies initially in order to get them flocking....
Make sense? Totally unrealistic and wrong? I had this thought waiting to fall asleep, I thought - "wouldn't it be a miracle if..."
-Bethesda is treating Fallout fans poorly, because it is trying to reel-in the Console crowd for what will ultimately be a good and proper Fallout game? For they know the Fallout fans will flock if its decent, but perhaps they think they have to deceive the Console kiddies initially in order to get them flocking....
Make sense? Totally unrealistic and wrong? I had this thought waiting to fall asleep, I thought - "wouldn't it be a miracle if..."
Styrofoam Peanuts said:
Oh yes, i'm a faithful Bethesda agent since mid '04
Wow. No, really, thanks for making my day. I'm just surprised that you somehow missed that part where i was saying i aint justifying Beth's actions. I dont give a shit about what happens with that company, as long as they deliver a game i will enjoy.
Mh.
There's a lot fallout fans though, that never bother to take part of any forum or such. Fallout for me is around in top5 of most played games I have ever played and I joined this forum 7-8 years later. I have made survey in other gaming scenes and surprisingly many answered "yes I have played fallout and I fucking loved it".
That's my short pov about how many fallout likers there are
That's my short pov about how many fallout likers there are
I don't think that everyone else will enjoy it.Mentok said:
But I think Fallout fans will be disappointed.
The Fallout franchise isn't required to make an Oblivion with guns -
but if Fallout goes the same way as Elder Scrolls did, the Fallout franchise will be ruined forever, and we'll never get a true sequel.
The acceptance of Oblivion is overexistimated - there is no big fanbase, except for some modders and their customers.
Sales are not fans, and dubious awards create no quality - now the hype is gone, and everybody can see the flaws of the game and the lies of Pete 'n' the Gang.
TheWesDude
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
i have to seriously question the integrity of beth. its a seriously troubling problem.
even beth has acknowladged that everything levels with the charecter is a bad move, so why didnt they change it or remove it?
there is a precedence from other companies of where they do something that ends up very poorly and a huge hindrance to the game and they remove it. beth cant be troubled to do that.
that is something that makes me fear for fallout 3. if they mess something up badly, they wont fix it they will just bemoan the fact that its there and leave it.
even beth has acknowladged that everything levels with the charecter is a bad move, so why didnt they change it or remove it?
there is a precedence from other companies of where they do something that ends up very poorly and a huge hindrance to the game and they remove it. beth cant be troubled to do that.
that is something that makes me fear for fallout 3. if they mess something up badly, they wont fix it they will just bemoan the fact that its there and leave it.
RPG of the year!!
First time out of the vault
Kieron Gillen said:
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"Everybody loves Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance. Ipso facto, everybody will love Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel".
I think he refers to type of fan, not necessarily the same people.Sander said:
I played both, and yes oblivion was shittier in many ways, but not radically different. FO3 going 1st person would be a radical change and make it aim for a different fanbase. Changing the leveling system and the interface a bit, does not.
"Type of fan" is not something you can indicate with "fanbase". The problem is that it was being indicated that Bethesda has some kind of "huge fan base" that know and trust their design style and will buy their games based on trust.
This is true, but the fan base is not nearly as big as some people imagine it to be, and a large chunk of the fan base can not be *relied* upon for sales.
This is true, but the fan base is not nearly as big as some people imagine it to be, and a large chunk of the fan base can not be *relied* upon for sales.
I suspect it may come as a dual title game, as soms PC/console releases have been.
As in:
PC: "Fallout 3: Some Extra Subtitle"
Xbox#/PS#/Etc.: "Fallout: Don't worry, you don't need to think about story, setting or really anything else"
Maybe, given the naming of their TES series, it will be "***: Fallout III".
maximaz
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
It will probably be "Fallout 3: something" but it most likely will have a 3 in there. Lots of people, who haven't played TES before, have bought TES 4: Oblivion and TES 3: Morrowind, didn't bother them any. Many of them might not have been familiar with TES at all before Oblivion since a lot of people think Oblivion is the best game ever while, as I understand it, it's not the best in the series (I don't know much about TES myself).
Fallout 3: Obliviwind?