PC Gamer blog: everyone will love Fallout 3, except us.
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Lasercat: the Reckoning
it doesn't make sense but everyone would buy it
it doesn't make sense but everyone would buy it
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Roadside Bandit Camp
Fallout 3: More Mutants, you'll love it!
MurkyShadow
Still Mildly Glowing
Per said:
Hey, that's playing with key stimulus', that is no way to market a title, anyway, sounds cool, I'll buy it.
GeckoYamori
First time out of the vault
I think the naysayers are seriously underestimating the flexibility of developers and their engines. So we know that FO3 is being made by Beteshda and they're using the Oblivion engine. But does this really mean that it's going to be Oblivion with guns?
An engine is simply a shell that can be tweaked to an incredible extent. Lineage 2 (Nevermind that is sucks) uses the Unreal engine. It plays nothing like Unreal.
Then there's the integrity issue. I was very excited when I heard Feargus and Obsidian were involved with Neverwinter Nights 2, not being a fan of the first game. But, surprise surprise, I felt none of the Black Isle love in there and suffered from the same issues the first game had. This means they were very successful in retaining the integrity of the franchise.
My point here is that NWN is not Baldur's Gate, and they knew this. Consequently, I think it's a fair assumption that Beteshda knows that Fallout isn't Oblivion. It's just common sense.
At this point I don't see much pointing towards Fallout 3 being an extreme deviation from the first two. People are just jumping to conclusions.
Speaking from experience here, this is exactly what I think is going to happen. For years the C&C community had been begging for a canon sequel, and when the first info and screens are released we're showered with hate and flames. Nevermind the fact that the first screens resembled a Tiberian Sun atmosphere and many things were based on old concepts from Westwood themselves. In a nutshell, hate on principle. Having lurked the Fallout community for years, I see it has twice the jadedness of the C&C community so I feel it's a well-founded prediction.
Conclusions based on what Bethesda thinks are RPGs. Also conclusions based on Bethesda previous efforts, which have nothing to do with what Fallout's design should be.gecko said:
I doubt we'll need to see, though.gecko said:
GeckoYamori
First time out of the vault
And this automaticly means they're going to apply the same design approach on a completely unrelated franchise?
Since when is Fallout unrelated to RPGs?GeckoYamori said:
Oblivion is their statement of the ultimate RPG as they've marketed for a long, long time. Fallout, on the other hand, is actually a *real* RPG. So, yes, unless they're terribly ridiculously inconsistent in their definition of what an RPG is, yes, they will implement that design.
GeckoYamori said:
Come on. You're just spouting half-hearted rhetoric, and I doubt you even believe what you're saying. But, just in case you are serious, I'll ask this: Can you name an rpg developer who radically and successfully changed their style and formula for making games? Developers, not Publishers, remember. Assuming that you can find at least one, can you name more than one? Because what this boils down to is common sense - common sense tells me that Bethesda's next game is going to have a lot in common with it's previous games, because in my experience as a game buyer, that is exactly what happens. If you can provide some examples where the contrary happens, then I'll be a lot more open to the idea that Fallout 3 could be a very different game from what I'm expecting. Until then though, what you're saying is about as reasonable to me as saying that we can't ever be sure that the sun is going to rise each day.
This relates to the car market.
American car companies would change the look of their cars all the time even if it had the same name, so even though you have the same car by name as your neighbor yours might look like crap to his even though it is only a couple years older.
While the Japanese market was usually slow to change the look of its cars and thus their value stayed around longer.
American car companies would change the look of their cars all the time even if it had the same name, so even though you have the same car by name as your neighbor yours might look like crap to his even though it is only a couple years older.
While the Japanese market was usually slow to change the look of its cars and thus their value stayed around longer.
Nology5890
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Gecko, as I am also part of that other fanbase of which you speak, I can explain why C&C fans aren't nearly as jaded as the folks over here. It all is based around how many times Fallout fans have been shat on in the past, compared to C&C. Fallout is standing at two (possibly a third, we want info, dammit!), and C&C one. The third game in the Tiberium series was only mentioned to be in production twice, once before 9/11 (after which Westwood felt obligated to make C&C: Generals), and when EA brought the idea back, for another go, and completed.
On the other side of the table, Fallout 3 was mentioned to be in production first before the thought of Tactics (I think, I can't remember too well), then before they shifted gears to F: BoS (or PoS, whichever you prefer), and finally, again, a couple years ago, when Beth bought FO3 from Interplay.
Now, when you see that, you should be able to understand why Fallout fans are pissed. The holder to the license of the Fallout games has repeatedly screwed them since after FO2, in terms of continuing the series.
On the other side of the table, Fallout 3 was mentioned to be in production first before the thought of Tactics (I think, I can't remember too well), then before they shifted gears to F: BoS (or PoS, whichever you prefer), and finally, again, a couple years ago, when Beth bought FO3 from Interplay.
Now, when you see that, you should be able to understand why Fallout fans are pissed. The holder to the license of the Fallout games has repeatedly screwed them since after FO2, in terms of continuing the series.
I would imagine that Bethesda picked it up as much as any of us would like to if we had a game development company and a mattress full of cash.
They played the games and liked them. They want to continue it all. Obviously, there isa business decision behind it all, but I would bet a baby's life that that was one of the major factors toward this at one point or another.
They played the games and liked them. They want to continue it all. Obviously, there isa business decision behind it all, but I would bet a baby's life that that was one of the major factors toward this at one point or another.