PC World mentions Fallout4 as game of the year even though they think it's a bad game

[MercenarySnake]

Took you that long to realize that? I knew what would happen but I needed the proof and holy shit what a mess the intro was!I knew Shaun would be abducted the moment they said the baby doll changed color from the parents. I even knew the "sole survivor" wasn't really a soul survivor. I didn't realize that I would have to kill 95% of the population, or how the glowing sea exists because obviously aliens put that area in stasis, or super mutants changing back to humans when they don't feel like being orcs, water being irradiated after 200 YEARS, civilization near nonexistent, or a kid living in a fridge without anything for 200 years because...potatoes. This game is a titanic dog turd!

 

[Khannis]

Took you that long to realize that? I knew what would happen but I needed the proof and holy shit what a mess the intro was!I knew Shaun would be abducted the moment they said the baby doll changed color from the parents. I even knew the "sole survivor" wasn't really a soul survivor. I didn't realize that I would have to kill 95% of the population, or how the glowing sea exists because obviously aliens put that area in stasis, or super mutants changing back to humans when they don't feel like being orcs, water being irradiated after 200 YEARS, civilization near nonexistent, or a kid living in a fridge without anything for 200 years because...potatoes. This game is a titanic dog turd!

Yep, you're right. But I had "PLEASE BE A GOOD FALLOUT GAME, PLEASEEEEEE SATE THAT HUNGER" glasses on. But eventually the glasses broke under the onslaught of turdness.

 

[MercenarySnake]

Took you that long to realize that? I knew what would happen but I needed the proof and holy shit what a mess the intro was!I knew Shaun would be abducted the moment they said the baby doll changed color from the parents. I even knew the "sole survivor" wasn't really a soul survivor. I didn't realize that I would have to kill 95% of the population, or how the glowing sea exists because obviously aliens put that area in stasis, or super mutants changing back to humans when they don't feel like being orcs, water being irradiated after 200 YEARS, civilization near nonexistent, or a kid living in a fridge without anything for 200 years because...potatoes. This game is a titanic dog turd!

Yep, you're right. But I had "PLEASE BE A GOOD FALLOUT GAME, PLEASEEEEEE SATE THAT HUNGER" glasses on. But eventually the glasses broke under the onslaught of turdness.

Deep down inside a little part of me was feeling the same way but alas she was a turd...a stinky nut filled diarrhea turd filled with pain. 'Twas not meant to be.

 

[Earth]

I even knew the "sole survivor" wasn't really a soul survivor.

So the Lone Wanderer wasn't actually a lone wanderer (Fawkes, Charon, Dogmeat and whatever other vapid companions you had) and the Sole Survivor wasn't actually the sole survivor.

Bethesda can't even title your goddamn character right.

 

[Mr Fish]

PC World has done a list of top 10 best PC games this year.

Brad: Yeah, the inventory’s still janky. Yeah, the voice and dialogue changes suck. Yeah, the loot system is a step back, and the settlement building is unintuitive. But dammit, Fallout 4 ’s core exploration/gunplay loop is just so damned addicting I can’t put it down. This isn’t the game hardcore Fallout fans were hoping for—it’s even difficult to call it an RPG, as the whiny-voiced main character never felt like my own—but Fallout 4 is still a fun, expansive game that you can (mostly) happily sink entire days of your life into.

Hayden: Bethesda’s version of Fallout 4 wouldn’t make my game of the year list. But then someone pointed me toward the Atom Bomb Baby mod, which lets you replace your mini-nuke stash with exploding babies. Now the game gets to be on this list.

Huh... Maybe I am an elitist after all...

 

[Earth]

Hayden: Bethesda’s version of Fallout 4 wouldn’t make my game of the year list. But then someone pointed me toward the Atom Bomb Baby mod, which lets you replace your mini-nuke stash with exploding babies. Now the game gets to be on this list.

Geez.

Anyone else a little disturbed by that comment? I mean, I know I shouldn't judge a person based on one comment and I'm sure he meant it in a joking manner but er...

Still...

 

[TorontoReign]

Hayden: Bethesda’s version of Fallout 4 wouldn’t make my game of the year list. But then someone pointed me toward the Atom Bomb Baby mod, which lets you replace your mini-nuke stash with exploding babies. Now the game gets to be on this list.

Geez.

Anyone else a little disturbed by that comment? I mean, I know I shouldn't judge a person based on one comment and I'm sure he meant it in a joking manner but er...

Still...

I think we have to learn to accept that most game reviewers are morons just like the rest of us.

 

[Walpknut]

Eh, at least he didn't call shallow romance where you can just romance everyone without consequences, and where a romanced companion just turns into a brief buff in exp "progressive".

 

[Irwin John Finster]

Eh, at least he didn't call shallow romance where you can just romance everyone without consequences, and where a romanced companion just turns into a brief buff in exp "progressive".

And then give the game 9.5/10 while writing a whole article implying people who don't like Fallout 4 do not have valid arguments and are just hateful and ignorant.

 

[Ilosar]

It IS true that Bethesda's core gameplay loop (explore-kill-maybe read-loot) works. There's a reason almost every open world game copies it to a greater or lesser degree. It's the reason why I still play Fallout 4 (a bit, at least) even if I find that it is not a really good game.

The problem is that there's nothing else to the game that stands out positively. Several prominent AAA RPGs, including New Vegas, Dragon Age: Inquisition and TW3 have showcased that you can have more than that in your game, and that if you enhance that gameplay loop with good stories, interesting dialog, choice and consequences and a well designed world the whole thing comes together very nicely indeed.

Still, I do find these statements odd. It's not like there was such a derth of good PC games this year that they should feel ''forced'' to include FO4 because ye olde gameplay loop works and nothing else.

Mods are going to improve the game a lot, but they're not part of the actual game and should never be counted in a review. At best you can praise Bethesda for allowing mod support in an age that often lets it fall off the wayside, and even then in their case I'm suspicious that modding is the reason they still failed to get rid of shitty old Gamebryo. A more modern engine would probably be harder to mod, and allthe third-party software that comes with it would bbe hell to license.

 

[Walpknut]

I think Jim Sterling just likes Cuckholding porn.

 

[Ilosar]

I think Jim Sterling just likes Cuckholding porn.

He knows that his personality isn't substantial enough to hold much interest, so he often resorts to trolling or name-calling to attract attention. His Fallout 4 review is just the last example of many. The man loves playing the victim.

I still watch his videos from time to time, primarily because I find his ongoing "war" against Konami both justified and hilarious.

 

[GeorgieBest]

It IS true that Bethesda's core gameplay loop (explore-kill-maybe read-loot) works. There's a reason almost every open world game copies it to a greater or lesser degree. It's the reason why I still play Fallout 4 (a bit, at least) even if I find that it is not a really good game.

The problem is that there's nothing else to the game that stands out positively. Several prominent AAA RPGs, including New Vegas, Dragon Age: Inquisition and TW3 have showcased that you can have more than that in your game, and that if you enhance that gameplay loop with good stories, interesting dialog, choice and consequences and a well designed world the whole thing comes together very nicely indeed.

Still, I do find these statements odd. It's not like there was such a derth of good PC games this year that they should feel ''forced'' to include FO4 because ye olde gameplay loop works and nothing else.

Mods are going to improve the game a lot, but they're not part of the actual game and should never be counted in a review. At best you can praise Bethesda for allowing mod support in an age that often lets it fall off the wayside, and even then in their case I'm suspicious that modding is the reason they still failed to get rid of shitty old Gamebryo. A more modern engine would probably be harder to mod, and allthe third-party software that comes with it would bbe hell to license.

IMO, thats the only "rpg element" that survived their streamlining process (probably because it can always have action in it!) - you know dungeon crawling!
I don't really think every other open-world game more or less follows Bethesda's open-world game design (you know dungeon-crawling) because thats just silly How does Rockstar...with Red Dead or Gta follow Bethesda's design?? How does Ubisoft with Ass 1-infinity and Far cry follow Beth's design (no dungeons in any of them)? Even other open-world Rpgs like the Witcher dont really follow Beth's gameplay design. I mean really Beth's "design" is just endless dungeon crawling, loot collecting and consistently reducing story and dialogue...their environmental design varies in each title i think with some really good spots and some really bad spots. Personally, i hate Diablo and for me Bethesda's just doing Diablo, watered-down, no isometric, and with a few towns here and there for the show Bethesda, imo, has found itself in a weird, streamlined, "semi-rpg", niche where the sum of the things it does (for better or worse and however inconsequential they are) is relatively unique and not many provide what Bethesda provides, imo openworld action-adventure games (without the effects, graphical fidelity and sometimes even storyline those possess, see rockstar) dressed with "lite-rpg" features (owning a house and decorating it- slightly weird) (dungeon-crawling!) loot!!! character creation!! (its just a bunch of weird shit jumbled together in Bethesda's trademark stew and yes some parts i do like, in very moderate doses). They've made a "unique" product and people like it and i give them that but i truly dont like the way their products are consistently becoming and i dont understand why the fallout franchise had to be drenched in their stew

On another note, for what it counts, the PC interview could have been worse...he could have creamed on it, called it the best Rpg EVAH, and made us all swear to get it

 

[farchettiensis]

Deep down inside a little part of me was feeling the same way but alas she was a turd...a stinky nut filled diarrhea turd filled with pain. 'Twas not meant to be.

A fine description of the game, sir. I've been so touched by the display of love towards this wonderful game, this masterpiece, atomic-babies shooting, can-be-modded, huge map, made-for-all-of-you-hardcore-rpg-lovers-out-there-todd/godd-loves-you, deep and so profoundly written, with an amazing dialogue system, memorable characters and companions, with wonderful little distractions, such as the settlement system, as well as a lovely xp/level system, not to mention it's plausible world, and its original take on the Fallout universe, and so on. Wow... it's the game of all the years, for eternity.

 

[Khannis]

Deep down inside a little part of me was feeling the same way but alas she was a turd...a stinky nut filled diarrhea turd filled with pain. 'Twas not meant to be.

A fine description of the game, sir. I've been so touched by the display of love towards this wonderful game, this masterpiece, atomic-babies shooting, can-be-modded, huge map, made-for-all-of-you-hardcore-rpg-lovers-out-there-todd/godd-loves-you, deep and so profoundly written, with an amazing dialogue system, memorable characters and companions, with wonderful little distractions, such as the settlement system, as well as a lovely xp/level system, not to mention it's plausible world, and its original take on the Fallout universe, and so on. Wow... it's the game of all the years, for eternity.

A near-perfect game, to be sure! Now, where have I heard that before?

 

[coldroll]

I don't know how this game is fun let alone addictive, I installed over 10 mods for it and I can't pick the game back up. I mean it's SOOO boring that even the mods I was using didn't give me some sort of urge to play it again. I've been playing older and way better games worth my time since then so it doesn't matter.

I actually had fun and found it addictive. In the beginning. While the whole thing was shiny and new and all that jazz. I mean, I thought we were on to something here... The first thing that hit me (aside from the whole dialogue/voiced shit, obviously) was when I couldn't talk Kellogg down. Then I thought "Wait... You mean my only option is to kill this guy?". Then I found a nailboard that somehow froze people. The I started noticing how much of the game's content was really only radiant shit (which I refused to believe at first, in a comedic manner).

Finally, I was just thinking, let's finish this thing and at least see all the choices and endings. And boy was I disappointed... All that work for a "Yay, you finished it! Keep playing if you want, nothing's really changed".

EDIT: Not to mention ressurecting-raiders-turned-legendary-bullet-sponges

I thought the voice acting was great and hating the game just because the main character has a voice actor is pretty dumb since the chosen one talks in Fallout 2 except you don't hear his voice. Voice acting is the least of all problems this game has they actually got the voice acting right. The problem is they made Fallout 4 into a generic boring game where none of your choices matter in the end and the game gets old really fast. It's the same crap where people hate the game just because it's not ismoteric. The game sucks because it's a piece of shit not because of a graphical change or camera view.

 

[TorontoReign]

I don't know how this game is fun let alone addictive, I installed over 10 mods for it and I can't pick the game back up. I mean it's SOOO boring that even the mods I was using didn't give me some sort of urge to play it again. I've been playing older and way better games worth my time since then so it doesn't matter.

I actually had fun and found it addictive. In the beginning. While the whole thing was shiny and new and all that jazz. I mean, I thought we were on to something here... The first thing that hit me (aside from the whole dialogue/voiced shit, obviously) was when I couldn't talk Kellogg down. Then I thought "Wait... You mean my only option is to kill this guy?". Then I found a nailboard that somehow froze people. The I started noticing how much of the game's content was really only radiant shit (which I refused to believe at first, in a comedic manner).

Finally, I was just thinking, let's finish this thing and at least see all the choices and endings. And boy was I disappointed... All that work for a "Yay, you finished it! Keep playing if you want, nothing's really changed".

EDIT: Not to mention ressurecting-raiders-turned-legendary-bullet-sponges

I thought the voice acting was great and hating the game just because the main character has a voice actor is pretty dumb since the chosen one talks in Fallout 2 except you don't hear his voice. Voice acting is the least of all problems this game has they actually got the voice acting right. The problem is they made Fallout 4 into a generic boring game where none of your choices matter in the end and the game gets old really fast. It's the same crap where people hate the game just because it's not ismoteric. The game sucks because it's a piece of shit not because of a graphical change or camera view.

Nah, the male voice actor sucked and not everybody wants to sound like a generic white dude.

 

[MercenarySnake]

I don't know how this game is fun let alone addictive, I installed over 10 mods for it and I can't pick the game back up. I mean it's SOOO boring that even the mods I was using didn't give me some sort of urge to play it again. I've been playing older and way better games worth my time since then so it doesn't matter.

I actually had fun and found it addictive. In the beginning. While the whole thing was shiny and new and all that jazz. I mean, I thought we were on to something here... The first thing that hit me (aside from the whole dialogue/voiced shit, obviously) was when I couldn't talk Kellogg down. Then I thought "Wait... You mean my only option is to kill this guy?". Then I found a nailboard that somehow froze people. The I started noticing how much of the game's content was really only radiant shit (which I refused to believe at first, in a comedic manner).

Finally, I was just thinking, let's finish this thing and at least see all the choices and endings. And boy was I disappointed... All that work for a "Yay, you finished it! Keep playing if you want, nothing's really changed".

EDIT: Not to mention ressurecting-raiders-turned-legendary-bullet-sponges

I thought the voice acting was great and hating the game just because the main character has a voice actor is pretty dumb since the chosen one talks in Fallout 2 except you don't hear his voice. Voice acting is the least of all problems this game has they actually got the voice acting right. The problem is they made Fallout 4 into a generic boring game where none of your choices matter in the end and the game gets old really fast. It's the same crap where people hate the game just because it's not ismoteric. The game sucks because it's a piece of shit not because of a graphical change or camera view.

Nah, the male voice actor sucked and not everybody wants to sound like a generic white dude.

I agree about the main protagonist.

I thought a ton of the voice acting sucked but maybe I'm in the minority here.

 

[Khannis]

I don't know how this game is fun let alone addictive, I installed over 10 mods for it and I can't pick the game back up. I mean it's SOOO boring that even the mods I was using didn't give me some sort of urge to play it again. I've been playing older and way better games worth my time since then so it doesn't matter.

I actually had fun and found it addictive. In the beginning. While the whole thing was shiny and new and all that jazz. I mean, I thought we were on to something here... The first thing that hit me (aside from the whole dialogue/voiced shit, obviously) was when I couldn't talk Kellogg down. Then I thought "Wait... You mean my only option is to kill this guy?". Then I found a nailboard that somehow froze people. The I started noticing how much of the game's content was really only radiant shit (which I refused to believe at first, in a comedic manner).

Finally, I was just thinking, let's finish this thing and at least see all the choices and endings. And boy was I disappointed... All that work for a "Yay, you finished it! Keep playing if you want, nothing's really changed".

EDIT: Not to mention ressurecting-raiders-turned-legendary-bullet-sponges

I thought the voice acting was great and hating the game just because the main character has a voice actor is pretty dumb since the chosen one talks in Fallout 2 except you don't hear his voice. Voice acting is the least of all problems this game has they actually got the voice acting right. The problem is they made Fallout 4 into a generic boring game where none of your choices matter in the end and the game gets old really fast. It's the same crap where people hate the game just because it's not ismoteric. The game sucks because it's a piece of shit not because of a graphical change or camera view.

I know, and if you read my post carefully, that's what I'm trying to say. I didn't like that it was voice acted, and I think it hurts roleplaying, but that's FAR from the main problem. After the first hours it was just an afterthought, and easily fixable at that.

 

[Irwin John Finster]

I don't know how this game is fun let alone addictive, I installed over 10 mods for it and I can't pick the game back up. I mean it's SOOO boring that even the mods I was using didn't give me some sort of urge to play it again. I've been playing older and way better games worth my time since then so it doesn't matter.

I actually had fun and found it addictive. In the beginning. While the whole thing was shiny and new and all that jazz. I mean, I thought we were on to something here... The first thing that hit me (aside from the whole dialogue/voiced shit, obviously) was when I couldn't talk Kellogg down. Then I thought "Wait... You mean my only option is to kill this guy?". Then I found a nailboard that somehow froze people. The I started noticing how much of the game's content was really only radiant shit (which I refused to believe at first, in a comedic manner).

Finally, I was just thinking, let's finish this thing and at least see all the choices and endings. And boy was I disappointed... All that work for a "Yay, you finished it! Keep playing if you want, nothing's really changed".

EDIT: Not to mention ressurecting-raiders-turned-legendary-bullet-sponges

I thought the voice acting was great and hating the game just because the main character has a voice actor is pretty dumb since the chosen one talks in Fallout 2 except you don't hear his voice. Voice acting is the least of all problems this game has they actually got the voice acting right. The problem is they made Fallout 4 into a generic boring game where none of your choices matter in the end and the game gets old really fast. It's the same crap where people hate the game just because it's not ismoteric. The game sucks because it's a piece of shit not because of a graphical change or camera view.

I'm going to have to go ahead and say that the male protagonist voice acting was awful. Maybe the female character had a better voice actor, but the male was clearly given his lines and asked to record them without knowing anything about Fallout or the game itself. The lines were cut and pasted together to form conversations such that dialogues have incredibly obvious changes in tone of speech, or the lines just glitch out entirely. Nothing flows and I have since stopped playing Fallout 4 and gone on to games with actual voice acting.

It is the worst voice acting and dialogue I have ever seen in any video game I have played, and I have played almost every major video game you might compare this too.

Games with actual "great" dialogue and voice acting:
Deus Ex HR
All previous Fallouts
Elder Scrolls (Skyrim had stupid writing, but the voice acting itself was fine)
All Bioware games
Wasteland 2
Pillars of Eternity
All Witcher games

I could go on...even Deus Ex 1's budget voice acting was better.

"WHERE'S MY SON?!?? WHERE?>>>WHA WHA WHAR SHAUN????" is "great" voice acting? Ok.

You want voice acted protagonist? Fine. But if it is terribly voice acted and the lines are cringe-worthy 90% of the time, I'm not playing the game for 100 hours. If it's a 3 hour movie I can forget 1 bad voice actor, but in a 75-100 hour game I'm not going to be saddled with terrible dialogue and acting. So yea the voice acting is actually a pretty big deal since they decided to force a voiced protagonist on us and then made it really bad.