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[Aero]

Everything else the Series has advanced with the Tech.

Yeah, if you consider the gradual stripping out of RPG elements and over-simplifying of gameplay to be 'advancement'. I know, I know, it's called 'streamlining' apparently. Hey, you can slice the arms and legs off a person and call it 'streamlining' and 'simplifying', but I doubt that will help them much. I consider it to be the same with RPGs.

I won't disagree with what your saying here. It does seem that every time an advancement is made we lose more RPG elements. Instead they throw in a hopefully decent back story and an even better storyline for the main quest with enteresting side quests. I think Final Fantasy has done this well. As well as GTA. I havn't really noticed a GREAT story Arc in most other games that have been released in the last few years. SO I hope for the best.

 

[aronsearle]

If i want a good story, i read a book, i've yet to play any game that has more than a passable story.

I play games for the gameplay.

 

[Westbend]

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[DoktorVivi]

I think it's gonna suck personally, but I also have to reserve final judgment until the game is released and I can try it. I'm just leaning really hard in the direction of not liking it. If it's good, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

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That's so fucking bush league it's not even funny.
Why not have the sound of bowling pins when you do a critical hit too? That would be cool.

If i want a good story, i read a book, i've yet to play any game that has more than a passable story.

Why haven't you played Planescape already then?

 

[aronsearle]

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That's so fucking bush league it's not even funny.
Why not have the sound of bowling pins when you do a critical hit too? That would be cool.

If i want a good story, i read a book, i've yet to play any game that has more than a passable story.

Why haven't you played Planescape already then?

I have.

 

[shadowboxer]

Planescape was such a great game (there is a resolution mod out by the way).

 

[PaladinHeart]

Planescape: Torment is fun, but the whole game feels like you're being railroaded through it. Sure you're given a lot of freedom, but only freedom to make your "train" so to speak, into anything you wish. You're still going to be traveling the same track every single time though.

At least in Fallout there are two ultimate destinations you must eventually arrive at, but how you get there is completely up to you.

If you wanted to make the comparison to a Final Fantasy game.. let's take FF12 for example. Well that's like driving a very dull train on one track all the way to the end. Well you do have some options.. you can grab a few boxes on the way but if you get those then you won't get some other ones later on. (weird eh?)

Could you imagine such an outlandish scenario in a Fallout game? Let's say a walkthrough tells you not to get those stimpacks in the locker in that vault, so that there will be a .223 custom pistol (the only one you can get) in another box at the military base.

 

[horse]

aronsearle is absolutely right, by the way. as we german pseudointellectuals say, most games have no "handlung" but just action. some have references to inner movements, but theres nothing that, say, early japanese anime didnt have. i have yet to see a game that is based on a paul auster novel (i took paul auster because his books have a lot of action and a lot of story). otoh, i have seen movies based on books which did a good job in capturing the story, yet i have yet to see a game that does that.

strangely, this is a thought i havent thoroughly thought through, though. thanks, this will be interesting.

 

[JESUS]

I love how Bethesda morphs into some giant standard oil esque monster who owns all the gaming press here. I suppose small indie houses like Sony or Ubisoft just can't scrape the cash together to buy a good review score.

Also you are the only person to say anything about "fallout 3 fans" in this entire thread.

Don't say crap like that, if you still think there's any mainstream media, game or otherwise that is not manipulated for the sake of making more money or controlling the masses you should wake up already.
The point is the gaming press is whoring out for a long time to the big gaming companies, if the firing of Gerstmann from Gamespot is not proof of this i don't know what else is.
The comparison of BS with oil companies is a cheap shot, instead of arguments you tried to pass my point as ludicrous.

Edit: And yeah you are right i made a mistake there, no Fallout 3 fans in these forums, there are some Bethesda fans though.

 

[Anani Masu]

I love how Bethesda morphs into some giant standard oil esque monster who owns all the gaming press here. I suppose small indie houses like Sony or Ubisoft just can't scrape the cash together to buy a good review score.

Also you are the only person to say anything about "fallout 3 fans" in this entire thread.

Don't say crap like that, if you still think there's any mainstream media, game or otherwise that is not manipulated for the sake of making more money or controlling the masses you should wake up already.
The point is the gaming press is whoring out for a long time to the big gaming companies, if the firing of Gerstmann from Gamespot is not proof of this i don't know what else is.
The comparison of BS with oil companies is a cheap shot, instead of arguments you tried to pass my point as ludicrous.

So how is it that Bethesda, who are not one of the "big gaming companies" outside of you imagination, have managed to make it so "their PR machine pretty much owns the major gaming news" while companies with 10 times their resources have not? Ubisoft for instance has a complete blackout on Ziff-Davis because they didn't like how their games were reviewed. Yes, of companies try to influence the reviews, sometimes they are successful. To say that you can't trust any review that comes out before the game's release date is fairly asinine.

 

[JESUS]

Yeah because Bethesda has not done so before right? oh wait...

The fact remains that before Oblivion was released the previews of the mainstream gaming news sites were all positive, some too positive, i'm talking Gamespot, IGN and others.

The reviews after the release were praising that mediocre game also, and even if you liked the game the press should have pointed out the major flaws in gameplay, which they didn't (Gamespot mencioned we might run on some technical difficulties, laughable).

What makes you think with Fallout 3 they will not do the same?

And stop trying to discredit my point by saying i'm imagining things, the next time maybe you can call me conspiracy nut, i will call you sheep and we can reason from there.

Edit: Oh and just because other companies don't do it doesn't mean BS don't too. Maybe BS is inocent of controlling the media, but all signs points otherwise.

 

[Seymour the spore plant]

If i want a good story, i read a book, i've yet to play any game that has more than a passable story.

I believe it was John Carmack who once said that story in videogames is like story in porn; you expect it to be there, but you won't pay much attention.

Though I think a good story and narrative add a lot to a game, and would even say I've played a few games that had good ones, comparing interactive media to movies or books will always be a little unfair because they have different purposes. Like porn.

 

[Brother None]

So how is it that Bethesda, who are not one of the "big gaming companies" outside of you imagination, have managed to make it so "their PR machine pretty much owns the major gaming news" while companies with 10 times their resources have not? Ubisoft for instance has a complete blackout on Ziff-Davis because they didn't like how their games were reviewed. Yes, of companies try to influence the reviews, sometimes they are successful. To say that you can't trust any review that comes out before the game's release date is fairly asinine.

The hell?

Anani Masu, he specifically said he doesn't trust the gaming media at all, so where the hell are you getting "have not" from? He's saying all the companies manipulate the media, including BethSoft.

Fucking hell, man, he specifically said "you still think there's any mainstream media, game or otherwise that is not manipulated or the sake of making more money or controlling the masses you should wake up already." Are you trying to piss him off by ignoring a fairly clear statement?

 

[EnglishMuffin]

Can I just defend porn here for a second and say that porn from the seventies actually had some very good stories and were quite funny most of the time.

An example of this would be deepthroat, her clitoris was in the back of her throat. LOL!

 

[Grimhound]

Can I just defend porn here for a second and say that porn from the seventies actually had some very good stories and were quite funny most of the time.

An example of this would be deepthroat, her clitoris was in the back of her throat. LOL!

Bow chikka chikka wow.

 

[Tel Prydain]

Ok.. last post of the night..

I re-read that inteview and I have to say that if you look at their summations of what is fallout and the descriptions of what you would have to have to still be fallout.. nowhere do they mention an actual game system. Artwork, fiction elements, those were listed.

I think that that many here hold those game systems in too high importance. Sure Fallout was a P&P emulation, but only because it was originally built on a "GURPS" license. I do think the developers held the "Tabletop Experience" as a primary goal, but the emulation was simply a fact of the licensing. (I am not saying that had they come in without the license that it might not have turned out the same)

I think this would be a different discussion all together if it was originally released as "GURPS:FALLOUT" and had stuck with the P&P license. Then all the "sequals" would be "tied" to that foundaion implimentation. But that's not what happened, and I think the emphasise then is free to shift to the setting and not the systems.

I'm right there with you, Xenophile.

To tell the truth, we aren't going to know jack until we play the game. If they manage a 'true' RPG, then it'll be great - but we don't know yet if they can pull it off. The system doesn't really relate into it.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

To tell the truth, we aren't going to know jack until we play the game

Yes, we haven't heard that one before.

 

[Misty]

Can I just defend porn here for a second and say that porn from the seventies actually had some very good stories and were quite funny most of the time.

An example of this would be deepthroat, her clitoris was in the back of her throat. LOL!

True dat'!

 

[Brother None]

Yes, we haven't heard that one before.

Oh believe me, The Dutch Ghost, they can keep this one going for a long, long time.

After initial info: we just don't know enough yet
When pretty much all the basics are known: we still need to play it
After trying it: well you have to finish it to really get it
After finishing it: well you have to finish it in multiple ways to really get it
After finishing it in multiple ways: well you have to wait for patches and added content so Bethesda can complete their game
After all that: well just wait for Fallout 4 it will be better