Planet X ?

alec said:
Pfff... It wouldn't really matter whether we saw it coming or not, would it? We'd be fucked one way or the other.

That’s not true. If we saw a deadly one coming 20 years in advance, we could send a probe that attaches on to it a thrusts it on one direction to the side to make it miss earth. The farther away it is when we see it, the less thrust we need to give it and the smaller the probe has to be.

Or nudge it with a nuke like they did with that one asteroid a few weeks a go. :)
 
That’s not true. If we saw a deadly one coming 20 years in advance, we could send a probe that attaches on to it a thrusts it on one direction to the side to make it miss earth. The farther away it is when we see it, the less thrust we need to give it and the smaller the probe has to be.

Or nudge it with a nuke like they did with that one asteroid a few weeks a go.

The problem with this kind of solutions is: will Bruce Willis agree to pilot the probe and blow himself into dust, leaving beautiful Liv Tyler in Ben Affleck's claws...?
(This is of course purely scientific speculation)
 
calculon000 said:
That’s not true. If we saw a deadly one coming 20 years in advance, we could send a probe that attaches on to it a thrusts it on one direction to the side to make it miss earth. The farther away it is when we see it, the less thrust we need to give it and the smaller the probe has to be.

That's SF, calculon. We haven't been able to do that yet and it's very doubtful that we will ever be able to do that. Plus, when we do see asteroids or comets advancing, it's usually like 20 weeks or 20 days in advance. They're just too small, yet big enough to destroy humanity or seriously harm us.

Oh, and don't forget the enormous amount of energy that would be needed to get that asteroid/comet moving in a different direction. A comet especially moves at a tremendous speed and doesn't need no gasoline to power itself. Plus how do you land such a delicate contraption on such an interstellar battering ram. No, calculon, we can't do that yet and I doubt we'll ever will.

Or nudge it with a nuke like they did with that one asteroid a few weeks a go. :)

Uhm, it wasn't a nuke, you know. And it wasn't an asteroid. It was a small satellite/probe and it's destination was Tempel 1, a comet. And we didn't nudge the comet, either. The satellite simple crashed into it, destroying itself and only slightly scarring the surface of the comet. Even more precise: the probe didn't crash into the comet, but rather the other way around. The probe took it's position and waited to get run over by the comet. That's probably because it's friggin' difficult to land anything successfully on a comet that moves at a relative speed of 37,000km/h.

Destroying a comet or asteroid that is destined to hit our planet, might even be the most moronic thing we'd try to do. Even if we could hit it with a nuke (you Americans, always opting for overkill, eh) we would not be able to just disintegrate the comet, you know? We'd basically blow it into somewhat smaller chunks, and the chance that those chunks would still hit us would be just as big. Basically, we'd be changing one missile (the comet/asteroid) into a cluster bomb (a whole bunch of comets/asteroids), and that's not good.

Anyway: if tomorrow some scientist discovers that there is a comet heading for earth and that it will hit us in, bwah, let's say five years, we'd be fucked. All the stuff you mentioned is still Hollywood material. We'd probably try something to give us some hope, but we would fail miserably.
 
Well they got to figgure out if this is a planet or not. All the Stargate episodes might be wrong!
 
alec said:
We'd basically blow it into somewhat smaller chunks, and the chance that those chunks would still hit us would be just as big. Basically, we'd be changing one missile (the comet/asteroid) into a cluster bomb (a whole bunch of comets/asteroids), and that's not good.

Wouldn't smaller chunks mostly burn up in the athmosphere? A 10 km wide asteroid wouldn't, but a thousand 10m wide asteroids would...
 
Dude, stop with the scientific speeches and start with the Liv Tyler pics.

Dude.
Liv Tyler!.
 
OK Alec, let my clarify:

1. I was wrong about the thing where they crashed the satellite into the commit, by bad. :oops:

2. I'm taking about nudging the comit to the side with a probe or nuke, not destroying it, not stopping it, but changing it's direction slightly so it misses Earth. Where did I use the word destroy?

3. It speed might be a hojillion Km/s relative to whatever, but one the probe is going the same speed in the same direction, it's going 0 Km/s relative to the probe, so it's not beyond the realm of reason to think that it would be possible to orbit it under this premise and land on it. Hell, the Earth is moving faster than a commit if they both have stable orbits and the commit is farther away from the sun. That's physics.

4. I'm not American.

5. Here is a real life example of something similar to what I'm talking about. There's no reason we couldn't pummel the commit with material with enough mass to change it's course.

Also, Jebus, while many smaller chunks would probably burn up in the atmosphere if they are small enough, we would probably never want to blow up an asteroid unless we were sure how it would break up. It might break up into a bunch of mostly harmless pieces, or it might break up into 5 or 6 slightly less deadly but still huge chunks. The range of sizes of rock in that would be big enough to pose a threat but small enough that it's pieces would not is small.
 
Unless we saw it coming a couple of decades in advance, we'd something a tad larger than a single thruster. You'd need to attach an Orion to it if it were fairly massive and even then, supply it with a lot of pulse units or very big ones and nudge it that way.

Alec, stop being so pessimistic. Saying we'll never be able to do anything about it is asinine unless you think we'll blow ourselves up tomorrow. They had plans for an English Channel tunnel back in the 1800s but not the technology to carry it out, now, we obviously do. - Colt
 
Well yeah. I'm just saying we could do it with today's technology, it would just cost like $100 billion. But to save the Earth, it would probably be world the price.
 
calculon000 said:
I'm not American.

Hehe, yeah alec has a habit of incorrectly calling people American. I remember him calling me a yank at one point. It's not offensive, i've just never been called that.


As for stuff hitting the Earth, don't worry. Jupiter will protect us like it has been doing for the last couple of years.
 
Amusing that we see these massive objects slam into a neighboring planet and just sit idly by and watch it on the evening news. Humans are so stupid sometimes it hurts.
 
That is true. I've never noticed it before...

KQX said:
Hehe, yeah alec has a habit of incorrectly calling people American. I remember him calling me a yank at one point. It's not offensive, i've just never been called that.

Hehe. Well, I don’t mind, it just that my location is to the side of every one of my posts and is very specific. :P
 
I like this thread.

Colt's right Pluto isnt a planet since it doesnt have any orbiting moons...unfortunately its been popular knowledge so long that I think astronomers admit they dont want it's status changed.

I also like the name Nemesis that Pope Viper mentioned...sounds really good.

Hey if we have enough nukes to destroy the world more than once over I think we have enough to at least push an object out of course of Earth if not destroy it.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Uuh, dude, Pluto does in fact have a moon, Charon, which is half the size of Pluto and they are always facing each other the same way. Anyway, that's not the reason some astronomers don't agree it's a planet; it's because it's very small and has a highly eccentric orbit meaning that it's sometimes closer to Earth than Neptune (in fact it was closer to Earth until 1979).
 
calculon000 said:
KQX said:
Hehe, yeah alec has a habit of incorrectly calling people American. I remember him calling me a yank at one point. It's not offensive, i've just never been called that.
Hehe. Well, I don’t mind, it just that my location is to the side of every one of my posts and is very specific. :P

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Shut up, yank. :wink:

Still, I think you're all just daydreaming. I saw a documentary about this interstellar theat not too long ago and ALL scientists in that program said the same thing: if it would happen today, we'd all be fucked.
So I'm not being pessimistic, but rather realistic. As I said: if it were to happen, we'd most probably try to do something about it, but we'd horribly fail.
 
If it does happen, i hope that we (humans) organize a global sex orgy. No need to worry about long term problems that might occur.....well, except if after the orgy the astronomers go "our bad, the planet's fine".
 
That would be the ultimate prank.

Getting an astronomy education 150000 euro
Bceoming famous and respected to a point where anyone will belive everything you say: 10000000 euro
Tricking the whole world into a large sex orgy by saying that they will be anihialted by a major meteorite: priceless!

Lets do it!
 
Loxley said:
That would be the ultimate prank.

Getting an astronomy education 150000 euro
Bceoming famous and respected to a point where anyone will belive everything you say: 10000000 euro
Tricking the whole world into a large sex orgy by saying that they will be anihialted by a major meteorite: priceless!

Lets do it!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I'm in...
and out...
and back in...
 
The problem is convince the other astronomers that this is true. Hmmm. In fact the orgy is a good reason. You see I don't think astronomers get laid. So many astronomers are going to join our plot to take over the world. err... I mean to promote a global orgy. :look: But astrologers can pose a threat to our plan. The only reason someone becomes a astrologer is the easy sex with brain-washed weak minded women. So they are going to lost their power.

There is this site about astronomy.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/

It's very good.
 
This was coming for a long time, but there could be another one out there and it should be a lot bigger. Astronomers have detected variences in the orbits of the outer planets that suggested that it was about the size of jupiter.

Then again, the solar system has been described as containing "...the Sun, Jupiter and assorted debris.", which puts us in our place.
 
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