POLL: Trump or Hillary

[Crni Vuk]

Then what do you say to polls which found that Trump supporters are more likely to hold racist views? That they are more likely to have resentments against woman, anti-gay views and in general views against hispanics and muslims?

 

[Vergil]

Then what do you say to polls which found that Trump supporters are more likely to hold racist views?

I didn't know Trump was also a borg whom is mind-linked with every single supporter and thus all of their beliefs are also his.
Every group ever is going to have some bad eggs, doesn't mean the canidate themselves are going to have those same views as I've already obviously demonstrated.
If you hate blacks and gays you don't fight for their right to go to your clubs and hold up a big LGBT flag at an event lol
I could link you some mentally ill Hillary supporters attacking people. I guess that means she's also a violently mentally ill person herself because some of her supporters are.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Yeah, ok he is not responsible for what people think. But why do YOU think he appeals more to those that statistically are more likely to have extreme racist views?

 

[Vergil]

Yeah, ok he is not responsible for what people think. But why do YOU think he appeals more to those that statistically are more likely to have extreme racist views?

A: Link that poll and it's methodology if you can
B: Because yea he's a fuckin White guy. Racist/Sexist guys certainly aren't going to vote for the female democrat candidate. Out of the two yea he's more appealing to racists but none of the man's actual policies or actions have been racist himself.
I have some family members that vehemently hate certain races/denominations of Christianity. Am I also guilty of this just by association now?
Racists also were probably more likely to vote against Obama because he was a black democrat, does that mean that theres no actual legitimate problems with Obama either?

 

[Kremin]

theres no actual legitimate problems with Obama

People actually believe this.

But in all seriousness, I think Trump appeals to the masses because he's promising something other than 4 more years of stagnation.

 

[Crni Vuk]

So, you don't think that it is kinda strange that Trump supporters directly cite him, as support for their views, when they are interviewed? Also, you already said the mass media is garbage and that you don't trust ANY of it.

http://www.salon.com/2016/07/06/the..._backers_are_the_most_bigoted_within_the_gop/
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12882796/trump-supporters-racist-deplorables
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-supporters-for-intolerance.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...f763d6-f803-11e5-8b23-538270a1ca31_story.html

Oh, but I am pretty sure you can find those kind of lunatics on Hillaries camp, I have no doubts about that. But you will probably find most of them on the side of Trump supporters. And I just wonder why ...



This is all leftist media bullshit incoming in 3...2...1...

People actually believe this.

But in all seriousness, I think Trump appeals to the masses because he's promising something other than 4 more years of stagnation.

If you had trouble with your wife, and I promised you to shoot her, that would also end the stagnation I guess.
I understand 'why' people want Trump, I just don't understand why intelligent people think he would be 'better' than all the ones that came before him.

 

[olestra]

i want to be anthony weiner's cat

 

[Kremin]

I understand 'why' people want Trump, I just don't understand why intelligent people think he would be 'better' than all the ones that came before him.

Eight years of the Obama administration made us go absolutely nowhere. It's made our healthcare shit, our jobs admittedly more shittier, etc.

all the ones that came before him

You talking about Democrat/Republican candidates or just presidents in general here?

 

[Vergil]

So, you don't think that it is kinda strange that Trump supporters directly cite him, as support for their views, when they are interviewed?

Why do some SJW crazies directly cite Hillary as support for their wild views when interviewed.
Also it's almost like they intentionally try and go out and interview the people that they'll get the craziest reaction out of that supports their view/will generate the most buzz.

http://www.salon.com/2016/07/06/the..._backers_are_the_most_bigoted_within_the_gop/
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12882796/trump-supporters-racist-deplorables
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-supporters-for-intolerance.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...f763d6-f803-11e5-8b23-538270a1ca31_story.html

>salon
>vox
>nytimes
>washington post
Relax, I'm gonna respond to this for real but for fucks sake could you try and pick maybe not the most liberal anti-Trump sources of all time? lol
Salon?
Vox?
Really?

The first two both rely on two Reuters polls
First off, the supposed black racism

When asked about where they wanted to live, 36 percent of Trump supporters said, "I prefer to live in a community with people who come from diverse cultures," compared with 46 percent of Cruz supporters, 55 percent of Kasich supporters and 70 percent of Clinton supporters.

Trump's supporters were more likely to be critical of affirmative action policies that favor minorities in school admissions or in hiring.

Some 31 percent of Trump supporters said they "strongly agree" that "social policies, such as affirmative action, discriminate unfairly against white people," compared with 21 percent of Cruz supporters, 17 percent of Kasich supporters and 16 percent of Clinton supporters.

To be sure, not all Trump supporters expressed negative attitudes about blacks. No more than 50 percent of his supporters rated blacks negatively, relative to whites, on any of the six character traits in the poll.

So apparently being against affirmative action and extreme multiculturalism makes you an evil nazi KKK white supremacist racist now

Nearly half of Trump's supporters described African Americans as more "violent" than whites. The same proportion described African Americans as more "criminal" than whites, while 40 percent described them as more "lazy" than whites.

In smaller, but still significant, numbers, Clinton backers also viewed blacks more critically than whites with regard to certain personality traits. Nearly one-third of Clinton supporters described blacks as more "violent" and "criminal" than whites, and one-quarter described them as more "lazy" than whites.

Wow so when you totally ignore the fact that Clinton's supporters also held largely the same views and don't mention what the actual questions are at all it sure is easy to spin the story a certain way.
And of course those articles conveniently leave out this part entirely.

The Trump supporters' views on affirmative action and neighborhood diversity do not necessarily reflect racial bias alone, said Michael Traugott, a polling expert and professor emeritus at the University of Michigan, who is not publicly supporting either Trump or Clinton. Rather, the results could also suggest anxieties about economic insecurity and social standing.

Trump, whose supporters are mostly white, has promised to return manufacturing jobs to the United States, crack down on illegal immigration and pull out of global trade deals that he says have hurt American workers.

The second one about moslems....

Many Americans view Islam unfavorably, and supporters of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump are more than twice as likely to view the religion negatively as those backing Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, according to a Reuters/Ipsos online poll of more than 7,000 Americans.

It shows that 37 percent of American adults have a "somewhat unfavorable" or "very unfavorable" view of Islam. This includes 58 percent of Trump supporters and 24 percent of Clinton supporters, a contrast largely mirrored by the breakdown between Republicans and Democrats.

By comparison, respondents overall had an equally unfavorable view of atheism at 38 percent, compared with 21 percent for Hinduism, 16 percent for Judaism and 8 percent for Christianity.

Spokespeople for Trump and Clinton declined to comment.

The poll took place before an attacker on Thursday drove his truck into a holiday crowd in Nice, France, killing more than 80 people in what President Francois Hollande called a terrorist act. Police sources said the driver, while linked to common crimes, was not on a watch list of intelligence services and no Islamist militant group immediately claimed responsibility for the attack.

The race for the Nov. 8 U.S. presidential election has put a spotlight on Americans' views of Muslims with Trump proposing a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States. He repeated the proposal after Omar Mateen, a New York-born Muslim armed with an assault rifle, killed 49 people in an attack on a Florida gay nightclub last month.

The ideological divide between Trump and Clinton supporters is set against a backdrop of increasing violence and discrimination against Muslims in the United States.

The poll shows 78 percent of Trump supporters and 36 percent of Clinton supporters said that when compared to other religions, Islam was more likely to encourage acts of terrorism. Trump supporters were also about twice as likely as Clinton supporters to say that Islam was more encouraging of violence toward Americans, women and gay people. Polling on none of the other belief systems and their perceived connection to terrorism or violence came close to matching those numbers.

Apparently you're also racist for stating the fact that terrorists are more likely to be moslem than anything else (in just the past year alone do a side by side of the deaths as a result of radical islamists and migrants and any other religion) and not wanting to take in swarms of potentially dangerous people is also ebul wacism.

Again none of this proves anything about Trump himself, who you can't seem to point to a single act of actual racism againt him personally.

Oh, but I am pretty sure you can find those kind of lunatics on Hillaries camp, I have no doubts about that. But you will probably find most of them on the side of Trump supporters. And I just wonder why ...

Conjecture.

 

[Throatpunch]

MY AVATAR IS THE BEST AVATAR IT MUST BE SPREAD ALL OVER.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Eight years of the Obama administration made us go absolutely nowhere. It's made our healthcare shit, our jobs admittedly more shittier, etc.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/

Yeah, except ... not. National deficit has grown, that is definetly true and of course a problem - which I doubt Trump will be able to solve with his 'program'. But a lot of stuff saw also a clear improvement under Obamas administration.

*shitty drawing skills*

Cool. So when I post something where humor or a comedian is involved, it's obvoiusly bad. Gotcha.

 

[Throatpunch]

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/

Yeah, except ... not. National deficit has grown, that is definetly true and of course a problem - which I doubt Trump will be able to solve with his 'program'. But a lot of stuff saw also a clear improvement under Obamas administration.


Cool. So when I post something where humor or a comedian is involved, it's obvoiusly bad. Gotcha.

I really wanna say Obama is a good president, because he has been alright, even though I would personally gone for Mccain and Romney.

But I cant because he has cocked up the special relationship.

 

[Vergil]

Cool. So when I post something where humor or a comedian is involved, it's obvoiusly bad. Gotcha.

*ignores 90% of the post*
Cool.
The differences is that was one humorous pictures in a post full of other evidence and conent and not just me posting that image and leaving it to that like you do with your comedians.
Literally the point still stands from the image tho.
Wow you went to a political event with lots of people and managed to find some dumb people?
wtf i hate drumpf now!
Like I can do the exact reverse if you want...


Notice we've yet to see an example of Trump's racism yet....

 

[Crni Vuk]

Notice we've yet to see an example of Trump's racism yet....

I've explained it to you, there are polls, there are examples, and it is rather well documented. I mean I can explain it to you, but I can not understand it for you. Infact, you personaly are the best example of all, with some of the obviously racist and bigoted bullshit that you posted here and in other topics, as a wird mix of twisting stats and facts with right wing conspiracy theories. And I am not the only one who mentioned your 'sillyness' with those images of yours, that serve absolutely no point but to do the same thing, that you complained about earlier. Oh the irony.
Anyway, I am tired of this shit, and I will be glad if this whole thing will be over. What ever if Trump wins or Hillary.

 

[Vergil]

I've explained it to you, there are polls, there are examples, and it is rather well documentated.

Yet you can't give me one single example of Trump being racist and when confronted with critiques on those polls and example you just ignore it......

I mean I can explain it to you,

Apparently not since you've failed to do so at all.

Infact, you personaly are the best example of all, with some of the obviously racist and bigoted bullshit that you posted here and in other topics, as a wird mix of twisting stats and facts with right wing conspiracy theories.

I guess you can just group all Trump supporters into one single character based on a small handful of people.
Wish I could like in a bubble of anecdotal experiences :/

And I am not the only one who mentioned your 'sillyness' with those images of yours, that serve absolutely no point

And I'm not the only one whos mentioned you just posting a single youtube clip from Comedy Central with no arguments of your own and leaving it at that.
And it does serve a point to point out how retarded your non argument is in a kitschy manner which on it's own would be bad but it's literally tacked on at the end of a lengthy argument but I see you've decided to conveniently ignore the whole argument and instead focus on one image that's a small fraction of my post.

but to do the same thing, that you complained about earlier. Oh the irony.

No it's not what I complained about earlier.
It would be if all I did was spam those images and never reply with any real arguments and just point to that image when anyone calls me out. Oh the stupidity.

Anyway, I am tired of this shit, and I will be glad if this whole thing will be over. What ever if Trump wins or Hillary.

Guess what.....

Spoiler

;^)
See you when Trump wins I guess

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[olestra]

>leaving

 

[Kremin]

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/

Yeah, except ... not. National deficit has grown, that is definetly true and of course a problem - which I doubt Trump will be able to solve with his 'program'. But a lot of stuff saw also a clear improvement under Obamas administration.

I remember Obama's motto for the election being "hope" or something, right? Well ever since he was elected the job growth in my state and surrounding states has plummeted. A straight drop for some states. Of course that "stuff" may be good, but it isn't for some. That numbers list has him as decreasing home ownership, among other things. He's made us more vulnerable to other nations as well, cutting most of the things we put our defense budget into. Strategically, he is a contributing factor in making our nation look bad.

That 'hope' thing is utter bullshit. Like I said, the job growth has plummeted since he became president back in 2008. I've seen people lose their homes due to his administration. Obamacare is certainly one of the things contributing to his bullshit factor. Grandfather of mine had to work his ass off to actually get any benefits from the current healthcare system, and he's retired! His healthcare policies has actually fucked over more families than I can count. Not only that, but I've never seen veterans treated so badly under anyone else's administration.

Besides, do you really think this is a way to talk to the people you govern?

 

[olestra]

your grandfather? sounds like you have your whole life ahead of you. i don't envy you.

 

[Jogre]

>salon
>vox
>nytimes
>washington post
Relax, I'm gonna respond to this for real but for fucks sake could you try and pick maybe not the most liberal anti-Trump sources of all time? lol

"Don't use those newspapers as evidence, because they are biased and therefore untrustworthy"

Says the guy who links to Fox News and the Daily Mail constantly.

Are you starting to see a flaw in reasoning there Vergil?

 

[Vergil]

"Don't use those newspapers as evidence, because they are biased and therefore untrustworthy"

Says the guy who links to Fox News and the Daily Mail constantly.

Are you starting to see a flaw in reasoning there Vergil?

Good job ignoring where I went on to disprove whats in the article anyway so you can butt into an already finished argument between two other people.
Sorry I dared to mention that maybe Salon isnt the best place to pull from to look serious but ok.