POLL: Trump or Hillary

TRUMP OR HILLARY FOR US PRESIDENT 2016?

  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 30 34.5%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 10 11.5%
  • Just shoot me already

    Votes: 47 54.0%

  • Total voters
    87
  • Poll closed .
Well, if we're going by anecdotal evidence only now, here's one for you to show how exactly Obamacare is fucking the poor:

My mother works in Health Care with Blue Cross Blue Shield and the Magnolia Plan. Her job basically entails helping people with health insurance and making sure people don't run to the emergency room when they get a cut on their finger. Essentially her job boils down to saving the government money (because everyone running to the ER over the slightest little thing costs the government millions of dollars, no joke) When Obamacare came out, my mother got more cases than ever because more and more people started going to the ER because in most states, especially here, the government has to pay for all ER trips, regardless of what it was for. People are doing this to bypass Obamacare because no one can fucking afford it, especially after the prices on it just jumpstarted by 20%.

So essentially, my mother is making more money than she ever has, at least $20,000 more annually, because Obamacare has fucked our country so hard that people would rather flee to the ER so the government pays for it rather than going to a private doctor or a regular hospital over something as asinine as a cold. My family is profiting from the crookedness of Obamacare, but me and my mother both wish we weren't. We would rather lose those bonuses than watch people fuck our government spending because they can't afford to go see a normal doctor thanks to this shitty insurance everyone is forced to have.
 
But if paying for healthcare was like giving to charity, nobody would ever do it, and all those people's mums could have very well died from cancer.
Just because you don't give to charities doesn't mean no one else does.
I don't get this attitude of "I pay for a system I never use", like I'd happily pay a little extra tax if it means other people can afford healthcare.
Then why would you have a problem with not having to pay the tax and instead being able to make the decision of taking a little bit out of your own personal income you earned and have full control of and deciding on your own to give to charity?
It's your money, you should be able to do with it what you want and if you care about those poor people so much you could always choose to donate to them....
 
But if paying for healthcare was like giving to charity, nobody would ever do it, and all those people's mums could have very well died from cancer.

I don't get this attitude of "I pay for a system I never use", like I'd happily pay a little extra tax if it means other people can afford healthcare.

>Says that no one would ever voluntarily pay.
>Says that he would happily pay.
 
What I don't understand is why can't the healthcare here be somewhat similar to Australia in that there is universal healthcare but people have the choice on whether or not if you want to pay their own healthcare or go on the universal one instead of forcing everyone to go on one healthcare plan. Seems like a better comprise.
 
Just because you don't give to charities doesn't mean no one else does.
I never said I didn't. I give to charity a lot. It's just that not many people do.
Then why would you have a problem with not having to pay the tax and instead taking a little bit out of your own personal income you earned and have full control of and deciding on your own to give to charity?
Because there's no way that a voluntary system like that would work. Not enough people would go along with it.

With tax, it's making the right decision on your behalf.
>Says that no one would ever voluntarily pay.
When I said "Nobody", I was quite obviously using a hyperbole to make a point.

I meant more among the lines of barely anyone would.
 
I never said I didn't. I give to charity a lot. It's just that not many people do.
Then that's their choice but just because you don't see it doesn't mean others don't give to charity. Philanthropists are a thing you know.
Because there's no way that a voluntary system like that would work. Not enough people would go along with it.
Charity worked fine for the entirety of human history...... \_(:/)_/
If there are people like you who give to charity a lot and big companies do it often as well what makes you think it just doesn't work if clearly people are doing it.
There are fundraisers and whatnot all the time. You're willing to think that most people are just bastards who hate and never give but you'll believe most poor people are disenfranchised moms struggling to survive for no reason other than bad luck.
With tax, it's making the right decision on your behalf.
LOL
"Making the right decision on your behalf" sounds fucking totalitarian as fuck.
Yes comrade, you will do the "right thing" as defined by us.
Not everyone's morals and views are the same and I don't trust the federal government to tell me what's right or wrong.
 
Because there's no way that a voluntary system like that would work. Not enough people would go along with it.

Then so be it. But, philanthropy should be a personal choice.
With tax, it's making the right decision on your behalf.

Fuck, that's a creepy thing to say. Not to mention that when it comes to government spending, so much of it is actually the wrong decision on your behalf.
When I said "Nobody", I was quite obviously using a hyperbole to make a point.

There is a bold difference between nobody and somebody.
 
Jebus christ, why do I even continue to still look in to this topic.
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I really hope that none of you guys has ever to face some of the shit that I had the pleasure to see in my life. But yeah, anecdotal evidence an shit ... I get it.
 
I really hope that none of you guys has ever to face some of the shit that I had the pleasure to see in my life.

I suppose I could dig up all the demons from the darkest moments of my life and parade them around a video game forum, in front of complete strangers, in a vain attempt to give my arguments on political and economic issues more credence. But, personally, that strikes me as a little vulgar.

In light of me not sharing that stuff, you'll just have to assume that my entire life has been a complete breeze devoid of any adversity whatsoever and THAT'S why I disagree with you.
 
The argument "philanthropy should be a personal choice" looks good on the surface, but taxes to pay for things that are demonstrably crucial to the common good =/= philanthropy. Why are the physical and mental health of the citizenry less important than cops or firefighters or paved roads? Or the people rounding up and deporting illegal immigrants? Or pork-barrel military budgets? No single-payer care opponents or NHS detractors ever seems to mind those expenditures being made on our behalf.
 
I suppose I could dig up all the demons from the darkest moments of my life and parade them around a video game forum, in front of complete strangers, in a vain attempt to give my arguments on political and economic issues more credence. But, personally, that strikes me as a little vulgar.

In light of me not sharing that stuff, you'll just have to assume that my entire life has been a complete breeze devoid of any adversity whatsoever and THAT'S why I disagree with you.
No, but a statement like, taxes are just a different form of robbery, from the mind of a 16-17 year old fresh-man who's right out of high school and has never even had to work in a part time job to finance his life, should be always taken with a grain of salt on such delicate matters. We all, seroiusly(!) we all, like to think and believe that we're this know-it-all when we get out of school. But the hard truth is. We don't. And many of the old farts saying, you will understand it when you're older, has a lot of merrit. I wouldn't believe it my self, if I wasn't approaching that age now.
The point is, a young person with almost no experience making such a fuss? I could actually forgive that, I sure had some stupid opinions in my youth as well. But, someone who's in my age, or even older, and still thinking that taxes are robbery, that migrants are the cause of all and every issues, and you just have to throw them all out together, that anyone who's sick is responsible for him self, or to get this great economy back all you have to do is just not care about the poor or some other nonsense, well. Some people never learn I guess.
 
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Curious how old you are and how much you pay in property taxes.

Also, deep breaths guys.

If you need the feds to hold your hand through life you are already fucked and just don't know it yet. However, state governements are much more reposonsive and very diverse in policy terms. I live in a state that provides 0$ or subsidized HC for households earning under $60K, as do all the states around me to some degree. It seems a tad hysterical to hear someone who's never been here paint a picture of people dying in the streets due to lack of medical care. It's easy to cherry pick gloomy outliers, but it doesn't make for a very comprehensive understanding.
 
Yeah, why do you need police, firefighters or streets. I never needed a highway! Infact! I don't even own a car. Why do I have to pay for it!? ROBBERY! TAXES! WWAAARHG!

I am doing it right? Can we be friends now.
 
Yeah, why do you need police, firefighters or streets. I never needed a highway! Infact! I don't even own a car. Why do I have to pay for it!? ROBBERY! TAXES! WWAAARHG!

I am doing it right? Can we be friends now.
No, but a statement like, taxes are just a different form of robbery, from the mind of a 16-17 year old fresh-man who's right out of high school and has never even had to work in a part time job to finance his life, should be always taken with a grain of salt on such delicate matters. We all, seroiusly(!) we all, like to think and believe that we're this know-it-all when we get out of school. But the hard truth is. We don't. And many of the old farts saying, you will understand it when you're older, has a lot of merrit. I wouldn't believe it my self, if I wasn't approaching that age now.
The point is, a young person with almost no experience making such a fuss? I could actually forgive that, I sure had some stupid opinions in my youth as well. But, someone who's in my age, or even older, and still thinking that taxes are robbery, that migrants are the cause of all and every issues, and you just have to throw them all out together, that anyone who's sick is responsible for him self, or to get this great economy back all you have to do is just not care about the poor or some other nonsense, well. Some people never learn I guess.

Hey point out where anyone said to stop any and all taxation altogether.
Oh wait no one did and youre just circle jerking over strawmen again....
Good job assuming everything about my life and experiences too and using your totally fabricated assumptions about of me to back up your strawman argument that I never made there Nostradamus.

Im just gonna say all your stories about your mother and your life are lies and say youre actually a 56 year old welfare sponge whose never worked a day in his life and lives purely in welfare so that I can shamefully try to win an arguement in the most dishonest way possible.
Making shit up about the other person.
 
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Right.

"If you need the feds to hold your hand through life you are already fucked and just don't know it yet."
We Germans or 'Eurotards' and you Americans in particular, are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo depending on the all controlling government, that we can't even hold our own dicks to take a piss without their help. And we're probably paying some kind of tax for that one too.
Sorry, if I answer to something that I think is kinda ridiculous, with an hyperbole.

The point is, since I guess that you support Trump you also support his tax program, why do you believe that LOWERING taxes, will help in solving the issue?
 
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I advocate the use of human wide genocide.
In over 2000 humanity has fucked itself over and learned nothing.
 
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