Preparing for the future

Doomsdayprepper69 said:
You might think a global catastrophe is unlikely, but you would be surprised.
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I'm not so dramatic about it, but I do live in Florida(hurricanes) and grew up in California(earthquakes) so I understand the value of being prepared for natural disasters. I have well water at my house, decent supply in my cabinets, and have the means and a decent ability to hunt and fish, and living in Florida that's in abundance.
 
How about not giving a fuck about polar bears, I'm sure they'll manage just fine. Most species that ever existed went extinct, why should we cry about it now?
That is really awful, and I needn't explain why.

Developing countries, some of which are already embroiled in military conflict, may be drawn into larger and more protracted disputes over water, energy supplies or food, all of which may disrupt economic growth at a time when developing countries are beset by more egregious manifestations of climate change. It is widely accepted that the detrimental effects of climate change will be visited largely on the countries least equipped to adapt, socially or economically.
Good thing I don't give half a smiling fuck about them, then.
This is also really awful, and I needn't explain why

Humanity is more than capable of exterminating those pesky mosquitoes, it's just that eco-faggots won't let us. Like when they banned DDT despite overwhelming evidence that it's in fact safe, or at safer than letting mosquitoes run rampant with diseases.
There were migrations in the past, what makes you think there won't be any in the future?
the eco faggots are just pro animal people
The chemicals killed insects effectively, yes, but such pesticides become more and more concentrated as they travel up the food chain. When birds like the peregrine falcon ate several different contaminated prey animals. they suddenly had huge concentrations of DDT in their body. Consequentially, the chemicals damaged their eggs so that the shells were too thin to protect the chicks, and the eggs would easily break at the slightest touch. The impact on peregrine falcons and many other animals led to the banning of the pesticide.

The effects of glaciers melting are largely detrimental, the principle impact being that many millions of people (one-sixth of the world's population) depend on fresh water supplied each year by natural spring melt and regrowth cycles and those water supplies—drinking water, agriculture—may fail.
Your point about more effective desalination is a good one, however if the paddy fields flood with seawater then they are destroyed.

You do understand that that's an explicitly anti-science viewpoint, right?
Yeah I see your point I take that back.

You could say that a lot of regulation can be superfluous, but in that department there isn't enough.
Regulation can be really good.

Thanks for putting in those links Izak, they are really useful.

http://www.ghgonline.org/humaninfluence.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160412211610.htm
https://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Global-Warming/Global-Warming-is-Human-Caused.aspx

I'm not so dramatic about it, but I do live in Florida(hurricanes) and grew up in California(earthquakes) so I understand the value of being prepared for natural disasters. I have well water at my house, decent supply in my cabinets, and have the means and a decent ability to hunt and fish, and living in Florida that's in abundance.

Thats great my friend
 
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Doomsdayprepper69 said:
How about not giving a fuck about polar bears, I'm sure they'll manage just fine. Most species that ever existed went extinct, why should we cry about it now?
That is really awful, and I needn't explain why.
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You do need to explain why something is awful, or you can't use it as an argument.

Developing countries, some of which are already embroiled in military conflict, may be drawn into larger and more protracted disputes over water, energy supplies or food, all of which may disrupt economic growth at a time when developing countries are beset by more egregious manifestations of climate change. It is widely accepted that the detrimental effects of climate change will be visited largely on the countries least equipped to adapt, socially or economically.
Good thing I don't give half a smiling fuck about them, then.
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This is also really awful, and I needn't explain why
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You do need to explain why something is awful, or you can't use it as an argument.

Humanity is more than capable of exterminating those pesky mosquitoes, it's just that eco-faggots won't let us. Like when they banned DDT despite overwhelming evidence that it's in fact safe, or at safer than letting mosquitoes run rampant with diseases.
There were migrations in the past, what makes you think there won't be any in the future?
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the eco faggots are just pro animal people
The chemicals killed insects effectively, yes, but such pesticides become more and more concentrated as they travel up the food chain. When birds like the peregrine falcon ate several different contaminated prey animals. they suddenly had huge concentrations of DDT in their body. Consequentially, the chemicals damaged their eggs so that the shells were too thin to protect the chicks, and the eggs would easily break at the slightest touch. The impact on peregrine falcons and many other animals led to the banning of the pesticide.
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This narrative is forced by Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring, which is swarming with lies.
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/Carson.html

The effects of glaciers melting are largely detrimental, the principle impact being that many millions of people (one-sixth of the world's population) depend on fresh water supplied each year by natural spring melt and regrowth cycles and those water supplies—drinking water, agriculture—may fail.
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Your point about more effective desalination is a good one, however if the paddy fields flood with seawater then they are destroyed.
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And there's nothing we can do about it. Sea levels rise and fall, that's just nature.
You could say that a lot of regulation can be superfluous, but in that department there isn't enough.
Regulation can be really good.
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On the contrary, climate change taxation and regulation is crippling to progress.
Thanks for putting in those links Izak, they are really useful.
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The 97 % "concensus" is a consensus amongst 79 scientists. Seventy-nine. Of the 3149 which responded to the survey.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
 
Seems a little pointless to me, but eh whatever. Some people collect beanie babies, some people have poop fetishes, some people build nuclear fallout bunkers. I won't judge you for it, but personally it seems very unnecessary. Not that I'd even want to live in a post-nuclear society anyway.
 
I thought it would be obvious that perhaps attempting to halt complete destabilisation and mass genocide in third world countries is a good idea.
In addition, it is reasonable to try to stop the extinction of a beautiful animal and preserve its habitat.
The peregrine thing is not a lie. We need to harmonise with nature, humans aren't the be all and end all of everything in the natural world, and its selfish to think so.
Glaciers melting is accelerating the process though. There is billions of tons of ice melting.
I see your opinion on regulation and taxation, please do enlighten me to why it cripples progress.

make sure you study these
http://www.ghgonline.org/humaninfluence.htm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160412211610.htm
https://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Global-Warming/Global-Warming-is-Human-Caused.aspx

Seems a little pointless to me, but eh whatever. Some people collect beanie babies, some people have poop fetishes, some people build nuclear fallout bunkers. I won't judge you for it, but personally it seems very unnecessary. Not that I'd even want to live in a post-nuclear society anyway.

I guess prepping is just my version of a poop fetish.
The main reason I do it, is as a student of Bushcraft, I have accumulated a lot of knives, paracord and other similar equipment, so it became a side hobby. Also, I play too much Fallout not to want to survive in a post nuclear society.
 
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DDT is relatively safe to humans. It's still moderately toxic, and will do harm (although negligible in the immediate sense) to the individual rather than good. But in regions where malaria is an issue, most people will undoubtedly support the use of DDT because it's harmful effects are so minimal (again, in an immediate sense).

It's still detrimental to birds at the top of food chains, though the thinning mechanism is not well understood.
 
It's still detrimental to birds at the top of food chains, though the thinning mechanism is not well understood.
But in regions where malaria is an issue, most people will undoubtedly support the use of DDT because it's harmful effects are so minimal (again, in an immediate sense).

I think we need to think in terms of long term solutions here, not short term ones, given they don't tend to be a sustainable in the long run.
I think it is reasonable to think about the awful effects it has on the bird though, and since it had such and effect it needed banning. I am sure it is possible to create a Mosquito killer that is not as detrimental to animals and the environment.
Even thought the thinning mechanism isn't well understood, it is causing massive problems for peregrines so we need to refrain from DDT use.
 
Doomsdayprepper69 said:
I play too much Fallout not to want to survive in a post nuclear society.
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Well, see that's the thing. I'm betting that you already know this since you're well down the rabbit hole on this whole survivalist stuff, but a real post-nuclear society would be far more desperate and depressing then anything in Fallout. I've heard that the English film Threads is a more realistic representation of post-nuclear life.
 
I agree, and that is why I am prepping.
I am so far down the rabbit hole on this survivalist thing not to realise the truth about representation in Threads.
You could say Fallout is just as depressing and realistic though.
 
Doomsdayprepper69 said:
I agree, and that is why I am prepping.
I am so far down the rabbit hole on this survivalist thing not to realise the truth about representation in Threads.
You could say Fallout is just as depressing and realistic though.
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Not really, since Fallout is based on a very different set of physics. And it shows stuff as early as 80 years after the War, and people are doing not too bad for the most part. If it wasn't for the Master people were well on their way back to civilisation. Ok, 80 years sounds quite long, but the word of Fallout saw total nuclear destruction in a way that would never be done in the real world.

Man, Threads was depressing.
 
Do you have a shelter/bunker? Could you post pictures if you do?
Sadly not at the moment, but I am planning on buying some precautions.
I live in England, and given this it is very hard to procure a Nuclear Bunker.
If I lived in America I would have one, and I just don't have the money yet anyway.
I live near the woods, and I am learning Bushcraft and survival skills. I don't live near any military industrial centres, and I am not close to any cities. I am buying a water purifier, and I have got some non-perishables. I need a new camping stove and tent however.
I should be able to sustain myself near these woods, I also am relatively near to a large area called Bolton abbey, which has a large water spring.

Given I won't be near any nasty radiation centres I should be OK in the wooded areas.
I have a full survival kit and I will post pictures soon
I gotta go atm, thanks for asking.
 
eissa said:
the apocalypt might not be sudden enough for you to realize. it could be slow, but surely societal collapse like in deus ex.
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More pragmatically, it's not just Doomsday scenarios, but localized disasters like Katrina that is also a possibility. This usually means loss of public order to the point that people think it's the end of the world.
 
Crni Vuk said:
How ... do you prepare for something that is unexpected?
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I can't speak for the Government is coming for you people, but as someone who is prepared for yearly hurricane season I can tell you what we do. We have a supply of canned goods that we donate and restock about every 6 months,a generator, we don't worry about water because our water supply is the well on our property. We have basic first aid stuff, supplies to board up the windows if need be because fuck paying for shutters. Not that I'm worried about people looting, but I do have guns. Last time where I'm at had a bad hurricane was hurricane Charlie, but as we saw with Katrina it could be worse, though if it were that bad we would just leave.
 
And then a group of armed people enters your home, kills everyone and feasts on your preperations.

See, don't get me wrong! I am not saying you should stop. What you describe sounds more or less reasonable anyway, particularly if you're living somewhere where you see frequently hurricanes. - But that's not really unredictable and definetly not the end of the world, at least not so far.

Witout the intention to call anyone here stupid, again my intention isn't to insult someone! But I can't help it, and find it a bit ... funny, when people try to prepare for events like, global outbrakes, nuclear wars, the collapse of civilisation, and so on and on, you get the picture. Because most of the time, those are just an attempt to tackle fear or some kind of anxiety. The fear of something unexpected to happen, either to you, your family and/or your life. But, the thing is, with unexpected events ... well, they have this habit to hit you, well, while you're not expecting it, or it wouldn't be unexpected. It could very well be that this nuclear hollocaust starts just while you're on vacation. Or Godzilla or the alien arachanids are attacking you exactly in that crucial moment when you're on the birthdayparty of your friend, who of course, isn't prepared with a nuclear grenade, like you, to fight giant monsters.

If we are honest, most of the time it's the idea that you can controll every aspect of the future, but since no one, and I mean really no one, can predict the future, all you're doing with those nuclear-apocalypse-global-famine-alien-invasion preparations is to keep up the illusion of controll. I like to think, that someone, with his own bunker, 10-year-supplies in food, water, shampoo and sex-magazines survives every possible event, from aliens, to nuclear wars and zombies. Just to die from a stroke while taking a shit at the toilet :p
I mean hey! If it helps you to sleep better at night? Well, so be it! Who am I to judge what people should do with their time and money. Some enjoy praying in the church, others have to stock canned food, and others are turned on by spending their time nacked in the woods cocking worms and ants.

And I certainly have a lot of respect from anyone who can survive completely on his own due to his skills and all. Like I said, I just have to smirk a little from all of this talk.

To get this back to an actuall true and also funny event. Consider this. I have read about a rather small town, where the towns hall had a vault under it. You know, the 50s and the reality of a nuclear war and all that. So the people decided, it might be a good idea to have this. The funny thing was, at some point someone of the citizens asked the question, what they should do if there was no one left to remove the rubble from the collapsed towns hall? Since well, the bunker had pretty much only one exit. The end of the whole story is, that the town is using the bunker today as a storage for old records.
 
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I had a brilliant business idea: Marauder-prepping! Becoming a successful and totally badass raider and marauder isn't as easy as putting on some bondage gear and exerting random violence, it takes planning and careful preparation as well. But while there are dozens of networks for "nice" preppers, there's nothing for those who in case of a societal breakdown would prefer to get a mohawk and football gear instead of Bug-Out-Bags and escape routes. So, I propose starting networks of like-minded people who prefer Humungus over Max who will then coordinate the preparation of training camps for CQC, tracking, basic survival, weapon improvisation, as well as preparation of appropriate vehicles with lots of spikes, hockeypad-armour, and infiltration of prepper-forums to scout out potential sheep to the wolves.
If humanity is fucked already, we might as well go out in a fire!
For those who'd rather be predator than prey, we'd have all sorts of useful gadgets in store like carefully prepared spiked baseball bats, spears, hair colourations, a wide sortiment of spikes and nails, and training plans to get into proper post-apocalyptic shape.
 
I also got into Hiking, backpacking, and camping at a very young age. (Take a hike! By Lynne Foster is one of my longest held, and loved, books ever!) And as I got older, and the world turned from puppies and sunshines and meadows to fields of cow-shit, rabid dogs, and landfills, I turned a bit into a survivalist/prepper. My family has a history of living off the grid/sustained living and I also follow that. Right now, though, I'm in an economic runt and my BOB and other gear has gone basically to nonexistence, but I'll come back from that - hopefully.

Overall, even a local disaster should be prepared for. Our economy is strained, so much that we have the city printing out huge ads telling people that 'winging it' is not a valid plan - and I agree! Right now, I'm rebuilding my BOB. Glad to see other people agree with the general overall gist, even if we disagree on severity. Still, prevention is better than cure, and I'd rather flee NYC with a good bag than fighting over bogeda shelves!
 
Hassknecht said:
I had a brilliant business idea: Marauder-prepping! Becoming a successful and totally badass raider and marauder isn't as easy as putting on some bondage gear and exerting random violence, it takes planning and careful preparation as well. But while there are dozens of networks for "nice" preppers, there's nothing for those who in case of a societal breakdown would prefer to get a mohawk and football gear instead of Bug-Out-Bags and escape routes. So, I propose starting networks of like-minded people who prefer Humungus over Max who will then coordinate the preparation of training camps for CQC, tracking, basic survival, weapon improvisation, as well as preparation of appropriate vehicles with lots of spikes, hockeypad-armour, and infiltration of prepper-forums to scout out potential sheep to the wolves.
If humanity is fucked already, we might as well go out in a fire!
For those who'd rather be predator than prey, we'd have all sorts of useful gadgets in store like carefully prepared spiked baseball bats, spears, hair colourations, a wide sortiment of spikes and nails, and training plans to get into proper post-apocalyptic shape.
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Thats actually a good idea
 
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