Prophet Muhammad Cartoon.

[Per]

IMHO all Western newspapers now have the moral obligation to publish these cartoons on their frontpage to show the muslim world, for once and for all, that we don't need to change our way of life just because they happen to live on the same goddamned planet.

This is about how I see it as well. Muslim spokespersons are now talking about the caricatures and demonstrations/death threats as if they were of the same magnitude: "Let's all be reasonable! You stop, then we'll stop." That's utter bullshit. They're saying they can effectively enforce a ban on (certain) religious caricatures worldwide because, you know, else they'll get so pissed they just can't help themselves, they have to vandalize some stuff and kill some people. I also agree with Montez that this is just making the Muslim world look like a bunch of mediaeval morons. I'd like to see some intelligent Muslim front figures in the media saying that this is utter bullshit, because I'm fairly sure they exist.

It's funny to see Danish flags burning, though.

 

[brandons1313]

This incident furthers my convictions of two things:

(1) The majority of people in the middle east are savages, just one step away from being full-blown barbarians (that step being their immense oil wealth). Why savages? Because no truly civilized or sophisticated society or individual responds to satire, parody, or caricature with threats of violence. Only a truly ignorant and backwards group of people could respond to an "insult" with bomb threats and promises of death.

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[John Uskglass]

at least try to be respectful of people's beliefs, with a degree of self-regulation.

Saudis decapitate Christian Converts. Some Dane makes a Cartoon, and the Muslim world shouts 'tolerance' and such bullshit.

Give me a break.

And Jesus was the Son of God, Muhammed was just a Prophet. Nowhere near the same.

 

[Dr. Jerkoholic]

This incident furthers my convictions of two things:

(1) The majority of people in the middle east are savages, just one step away from being full-blown barbarians (that step being their immense oil wealth). Why savages? Because no truly civilized or sophisticated society or individual responds to satire, parody, or caricature with threats of violence. Only a truly ignorant and backwards group of people could respond to an "insult" with bomb threats and promises of death.

You hit the nail on the head.

It's really sad that you share that opinion with your fellow brethren. It just shows how much a of a medium fed herd animal you actually are. Such a lack of understanding of mass psychology borders on ignorance indeed. Shouldn't it be already abundantly clear that this has little or nothing to do with the freedom of speech or that particular "insult"? Or are you one of those who fear that Ahmadinejad is nothing more than a raving psychopath like our king George. Hah.

My few Moslem friends laugh about how seriously the USGovt leaders and the American public took the calls for Iran to wipe Israel off the map. Like Teheran leaders don't have a challenge of their own, to distract the public from the economic troubles in their country, and to defuse the resentment for the draconian rules imposed by mullahs on daily life. Theocratic state? Ding, ding! Ring a bell?

I guess some people just don't have what it takes to grasp the general picture. That's why you have individuals like me to describe to you what you see. You should never believe your eyes, you know. It's bad for you. Have a nice afternoon, cripple.

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We in the United States mistakenly regard their election of Ahmadinejad as a wide mandate with a majority. It is easy to win a loud majority when the opposition is forbidden to appear on the ballot for the election. In the US high schools, we have a lovely custom of meeting on Friday late afternoons a little early before the closing bell for the clear purpose of whipping up the student body emotions. The football coach and certain important teachers will stir up the young kids to a frenzy, as that night a football game is to be played. The emotions are directed toward the other team, the other school, urging the varsity squad good guys to kick the butts from the opposition, to run their noses into the ground. School unity is easy to achieve. Ahmadinejad had the same purpose, to whip up the crowds in national unity. Israel and the United States are the easy targets, with Israel the less risky target. My Moslem friends point to US high school pep rallies as being very similar. Recall that so many of Iran’s population are under the age of 30 years.

 

[Brother None]

It's really sad that you share that opinion with your fellow brethren. It just shows how much a of a medium fed herd animal you actually are. Such a lack of understanding of mass psychology borders on ignorance indeed. Shouldn't it be already abundantly clear that this has little or nothing to do with the freedom of speech or that particular "insult"? Or are you one of those who fear that Ahmadinejad is nothing more than a raving psychopath like our king George. Hah.

Was there an actual point to this string of insults?

You're walking a fine line, Jerkoholic. If you have a point to make, make it, because the following paragraph has no logical connection to the one above. Either you failed Modern Argumentative Discussion 101 or you're an idiot, or both.

IMy few Moslem friends laugh about how seriously the USGovt leaders and the American public took the calls for Iran to wipe Israel off the map. Like Teheran leaders don't have a challenge of their own, to distract the public from the economic troubles in their country, and to defuse the resentment for the draconian rules imposed by mullahs on daily life. Theocratic state? Ding, ding! Ring a bell?

Yes, everyone and their donkey knows this. Hell, an idiot understands the whole Israel = satan thing is meant to distract their people.

The point? None? Wow.

II guess some people just don't have what it takes to grasp the general picture. That's why you have individuals like me to describe to you what you see. You should never believe your eyes, you know. It's bad for you. Have a nice afternoon, cripple.

Individuals like you? You mean blinded, one-eyed, arrogant conspiration-theory nuts?

Someone that can actually make a prediction as impressive as "something significant will happen in NK this year"?

Someone willing to stare past facts into the face of what he wants to believe based on a bunch of ill-documented internet websites?

Don't start pissing me off, boy, I'd hate having to run amok through your ill-thought-out threads debunking all the half-thought crap you've been spewing.

 

[Montez]

It's really sad that you share that opinion with your fellow brethren. It just shows how much a of a medium fed herd animal you actually are.

Oh no, not "a medium fed herd animal"!!!! That's the deadliest of insults!!!!!

Thanks for reenforcing my point on how the middle east is full of savages though. In your attempt to showcase your superior intellect and all-encompassing grasp of psychology you instead gave examples of how muslims are "herd animals" that follow the example of their fanatical and ignorant leaders and are as easily manipulated as teenagers. Also, apparently they fail to grasp the whole "threatening to wipe Israel off the map" thing as well, which points to a marked lack of intelligence. "We're going to kill every jew in the middle east! Just kidding, LOL! We're just doing the "bread and circuses" routine, so it's alright!"

And I should add, just in case my posts seem racist, that I don't think muslims in general inherently have any more or less tendency towards anything than christians do, or that there are no intelligent or civilized arabs - but apparently the ones that are civilized and intelligent are too cowardly to fight against the ignorance their countries revel in or too few in number to make any difference.

 

[Lazarus Plus]

It's really sad that you share that opinion with your fellow brethren. It just shows how much a of a medium fed herd animal you actually are. Such a lack of understanding of mass psychology borders on ignorance indeed.

Either A: You're an apologist for those poor misunderstood souls oppressed by the West and forced to strike back by murdering their own people to prove a "point"...

Or B: You're a fucking idiot. Either way, your point of view is so far away from neutral in these matters that your opinion is worthless, since undoubtedly you'd spew the same wretched rhetoric no matter the event.

The fact of the matter is, it makes no difference to OUR CULTURE what their culture finds offensive. It is completely unacceptable that because they dislike something we do IN OUR OWN NATIONS that we should turn around and change and apologize so as to fit their world-view. There's a nice big difference between tolerance and taking it in the ass from a bunch of intolerant fundamentalists, be they Islamic or not.

 

[IgnatzKrebs]

This is why I stay WAYYYY the hell away from Judeo-Christian and Islamic religion. Druids FTW.

Do you suppose that this cartoonist and these newspapers did it for the express purpose of cheesing off the Muslims? It kinda reminds me of the kid in school who everyone loved to make fun of - he went totally ballistic over everything. The bigger the rise they got out of the kid the funnier it was.

They can't take a joke, fuck 'em. There's going to be a big fat showdown between the Judeo-Christians and the Muslims sooner or later anyway, and if it was over this I would piss myself laughing. Frankly it seems that the Muslim radicals don't even NEED a reason to go Tony Montana on the rest of the world anyway. Must be all those damn dates they eat.

 

[Kahgan]

You know, you just hear the voices of the extremists when you talk about bomb threats and stuff like that, some of the palestinian poeple handing out bomb threats arent even religous groups, they're just doing it because they lost the election... There are muslims in Norway, lots of them. And guess what, no bomb threats!
The way I see it, those super self-rightous christian bastards who printed those pictures are in their full right to do so. But they are fucking morons and they show no form of respect for other people's belief's.
By the way the cartoons were JUST for provocation, and no where near a demonstration for the freedom of speech thing.
They weren't even funny, the drawings were crappy and the jokes were uninteresting.
So they burn flags? So what? Those who take that as an insult should stop and think about what kind of insult they have recently given.

And Jesus was the Son of God, Muhammed was just a Prophet. Nowhere near the same.

No, he was not, Jesus was a person who lived around 2000 years ago, we can say with 90% certanty that he actually did live, but son of God? God doesn't exist. And virgin Maria wasn't a virgin, she had a fun time in the hay with Joseph, who by the way was Jesus' father.

 

[frissy]

So...when do you think it's going to go BOOM! ?
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PRATT & MILLER

 

[[Rusty Chopper]]

Crap. Those cartoons are stupid. Even boring.

 

[Loxley]

NEWS UPPDATE:
It has gone boom: a mob of fucktards just put the Norwegian, danish and swedish embassy building to the torch in syria. I'm really annoyed at this whole thing right now. The trigger it seems is that some stupid fucktards rightwingers in denmark decided that they was going to put the quran to the torch, in the end they did not dare to, but now Norway is evacuating all personell from syria. Also Iran president whatever his name is says that his country will break all contracts with all companies from countries that has printed the pictures. They have yet to contact the two mayor norwegian companies innvolved in Iran.
Damn i'm gennerally pissed. Pissed at the guys who printed the pictures in the first place. pissed at the guys who tries to exploit the whole thing. Pissed at the christians who crave at an oppurtunity to piss of muslims even more and create and crack between people.
Pissed at the guys who decided to printe the pictures more and more and more justso they could add fire to the flames. Pissed at those mobs inn syria who thinks it is so funny to burn down embasies. Pissed at the stupidity of religious zealots in general who makes such a big issue out of nothing.

Arghh now i'm going to get drunk.

 

[DirtyDreamDesigner]

Wow, that sounds like the beggings of an all out war... Maybe even a nuclear one!








Yaaaaay!!

 

[Dr. Jerkoholic]

I just wonder how Israel would react if the same European newspapers would print articles advocating anti-Semite claims, such as the nonexistance of the Holocaust and the voideness of the Israeli state itself (which is actually anti-Zionism to be exact). Would that constitute freedom of speech? Of course, this isn't an exact semantical analogue to the mocking of Muhammed but you get the picture. The emotional outburst would be the same. But of course those same newspapers would never dare to do such a thing, would they now?

The difference between the Jewish soul ... and the soul of all the Gentiles ... is greater and deeper than the difference between the soul of a man and the soul of an animal. — Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak HaCohen Kook (1865-1935)

IMNSHO all of this just serves to further Islamophobia in Europe and the religous zeal in the East which will be aptly utilized by both the playing parties in the upcoming heating up of things with Iran.

 

[John Uskglass]

The Holocaust killed 6 million people and is real, Muhammed was the Arab Joseph Smith. Big diffirence.

 

[Kahgan]

Wow, that sounds like the beggings of an all out war... Maybe even a nuclear one!








Yaaaaay!!

kind of my thoughts too

I just wonder how Israel would react if the same European newspapers would print articles advocating anti-Semite claims, such as the nonexistance of the Holocaust and the voideness of the Israeli state itself (which is actually anti-Zionism to be exact). Would that constitute freedom of speech? Of course, this isn't an exact semantical analogue to the mocking of Muhammed but you get the picture. The emotional outburst would be the same. But of course those same newspapers would never dare to do such a thing, would they now?

a very good point indeed.

 

[Mikey]

No, he was not, Jesus was a person who lived around 2000 years ago, we can say with 90% certanty that he actually did live, but son of God? God doesn't exist. And virgin Maria wasn't a virgin, she had a fun time in the hay with Joseph, who by the way was Jesus' father.

And Muhammed didn't get the Koran from God because God doesn't exist.

Try to take peoples beliefs into perspective, Kahgan.

 

[Wooz]

I just wonder how Israel would react if the same European newspapers would print articles advocating anti-Semite claims, such as the nonexistance of the Holocaust and the voideness of the Israeli state itself

Rectal extraction. Drawing a mildly satirical cartoon does not equal denying the systematic extermination of 6 million Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, homosexuals, political prisoners and other people labelled "subhuman" by a totalitarian, extremist state.

at least try to be respectful of people's beliefs, with a degree of self-regulation.

Balls.

Not doing something because it might offend someone is, although common policy in Murika, imbecillic. Political correctness works to a point.

Not drawing something because some asshole who's been fed propaganda in an ass-theocracy for all his life might be offended is even more imbecillic.

Until Denmark isn't a radical islamist theocracy, they can draw and publish whatever the fuck they want, not to mention a call of "respect" from Denmark, as a whole, from people endorsing draconian laws is just laughable. Oh, and there were those threats of chopping the cartoonists' head off.

So what is it now? Islamist mullahs deciding what's moral and what's not in Denmark? Burning EU flags, inciting murder and violence?

Hadji please. Freedom of speech is holier than religious dogma. Keep threatining EU citizens, we'll just cease the evil, heretic, insulting humanitarian aid.

 

[Jebus]

I don't get this whole rage for another reason, really.

The Qu'ran says it's not allowed to make images of God. Ok, I can understand that: all Judaism-based religions have that rule. So far I'm with them.

But then: Mohammed is a prophet. That's all he is. He said himself he's only human.

So, this is where I get lost. Is it not allowed to depict humans in Islamic countries, then? Why the hell are they accusing those Danes of blasphemy when they didn't break any of their 'rules'?

 

[Per]

I just wonder how Israel would react if the same European newspapers would print articles advocating anti-Semite claims,

Of course, this isn't an exact semantical analogue

Did it ever occur to you that if you ever managed to convince anyone that you're the last bastion of truth and reason as you claim, they'd instantly kill themselves?