John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
From London.
Sick.
Sick.
Prophet Muhammad Cartoon.
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Venerable Relic of the Wastes
brandons1313
It Wandered In From the Wastes
These people are seriously fucked up if they act this way over a fucking drawing. I don't care how offensive it might be. No excuse.
Jebus said:
When did they actually need a reason? If they pick a fight and die in it they go to heaven the express route.
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Jebus said:
You're apparently not allowed to have images of Mohammed either. I remember there was a movie about the life of Mohammed made a while ago, and he was never actually shown since it's against the rules of Islam.
Don't forget that just like Catholicism the literal truth cannot always be assumed from holy writings. There's apparently a fair amount of interpretation involved. Maybe they just thought that since the Qu'ran doesn't explicitly state that they can draw Mohammed that they better just play it safe and not draw him.
Or something. What the fuck do I know.
I'm starting to think this is all the work of the CIA. This is just their way of getting support for a war in Iran.
The Americans finally figured out what Europeans would fight for; their freedom of speech.
Nice work, CIA.
The Americans finally figured out what Europeans would fight for; their freedom of speech.
Nice work, CIA.
Volkov said:
Now there's a challenge for a director!
Those pictures really make me angry. I don't think muslims have any clue about how much they are alienating and aggravating everyone else in the world, whether religious or irreligious, and even the people who were formerly sympathetic to them. I don't think they realize either that if they keep pushing, the rest of the world is eventually going to snap. It's shaping up to be like a variation of an army or camp story you hear, where there's one loudmouth asshole that gets his way at first because everyone else doesn't know how to react, then eventually he goes too far and ends up waking up one night to everyone else beating the living fuck out of him.
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DirtyDreamDesigner said:
It would make sense in a way, but I think it's been proven time after time after time that the CIA is fairly incompetent and is nowhere near being the power that people are led to believe they are. Think about it: if they were smart enough to be able to create this situation, they would also be smart enough to have not needed to create this situation, if you get me. There's nothing to this except human stupidity and the laws of cause and effect, it didn't need any helping hands to guide it along.
Ah, how lovely. Moronic muslim extremists burn embassies in Syria and Lebanon. I'm surprised this happened in Lebanon and not in Iran, though.
So far the only reaction from the Danes and Norwegians I've heard amount to 'this is an outrage'. Yes, it is. And considering the fact that embassies are supposed to be sovereign soil of the embassy's nation, Denmark and Norway have actually experienced attacks on their own sovereignity. If taken seriously, it could be seen as a declaration of war.
Luckily Denmark and Norway aren't responding that rashly to it.
So far the only reaction from the Danes and Norwegians I've heard amount to 'this is an outrage'. Yes, it is. And considering the fact that embassies are supposed to be sovereign soil of the embassy's nation, Denmark and Norway have actually experienced attacks on their own sovereignity. If taken seriously, it could be seen as a declaration of war.
Luckily Denmark and Norway aren't responding that rashly to it.
Montez said:
But the thing is, they are loving this situation! George got a second term (which he probably never would have, were it not for the war), the oil and arms industries are making a killing (pardon the pun) and the CIA has something to justify their huge budget.
Loxley said:
As far as I know, that more or less constitutes an act of war.
Let's go all NATO on their ass.
Anti-semitism is forbidden under law in many newspapers, which makes it a judicial matter and basically means it didn't happen.
Not really the equivalent, though. A cartoonist can still depicts Jews as money-grubbing imperialists if he wants to. There's a difference between drawing a caricature and denying history.
Jebus said:
Chapter 21, verses 52-54 of the Koran read: "[Abraham] said to his father and his people: 'What are these images to whose worship you cleave?' They said: 'We found our fathers worshipping them.' He said: 'Certainly you have been, you and your fathers, in manifest error.'"
From this, together with chapter 42 verse 11 "[Allah is] the originator of the heavens and the earth... [there is] nothing like a likeness of Him." some muslims (not all) conclude worshiping images is wrong and since it is impossible to draw that which you worship without worshiping it, drawing Muhammed is wrong.
It seems a bit of twisted logic, yeh, but that's what a low of muslims base their beliefs on, twisted interpretations.
That one looks photochopped.
A common misconception. That's like the whole "if a child is born in an embassy he has the embassy's citizenship"-thing. Bullshit.
The Dutch ambassador to Russia once explained to me that an embassy's soil is the country's soil. The embassy of the Netherlands in Russia is on Russian soil and inside Russia's sovereignity. The embassy *itself*, its institution and the people who work there, work for another country and represent this other country.
Hence act of war, but not sovereign soil.
Mikey said:
The Syrian government is responsible for the well-being of the ambassadors of other countries. As far as I know the ambassadors weren't hurt. If they were, Syria would be in trouble.
The thing is this: Syria is a police state, they have a large innteligence network that deffintely knew this was going to happen, but they did nothing to stop it. In addition there is one kilometer from the norwegian embassy to the danish embassy and with such warnings as they had there should not be any problem for them to stop the mob from going from one place to another. This is a police state that has held down other crowds and suddenly they cannot stop a small demonstration. Bullshit!
The syrian gouverment is using this situation to try to get attention away from all the acusations that have been directed towards them recently and so calm down the people. Old strategy.
Somehow it really pisses me of when i see those fucking sheep at the embasies stamping on the lion and burning the buildings. I guess i know how the americans have felt for too many years heh?
The syrian gouverment is using this situation to try to get attention away from all the acusations that have been directed towards them recently and so calm down the people. Old strategy.
Somehow it really pisses me of when i see those fucking sheep at the embasies stamping on the lion and burning the buildings. I guess i know how the americans have felt for too many years heh?
zioburosky13
Vault Senior Citizen
People always confuse about religion and culture. I live in a country where 53% of the populations are muslims yet I can sit, talk, eat, sleep with them. And I'm not a Muslim, but a buddhist.
What you seen on the media now (those strike, riot) doesn't happen in my country.
What you seen on the media now (those strike, riot) doesn't happen in my country.
Lazarus Plus
The smoovest
Wooz said:
I's like we're on the same wavelength here. Political correctness doesn't mean changing our ways to meet theirs.
Lazarus Plus said:
Not so much of an act of war as an international crime then.
Or rather, failure to protect other nations' ambassadors.
The whole thing is blown widely out of proportion, though.
Cattle mentality is not a special feat of muslims, it's a general problem with mankind (and everyone who thinks they'd be entirely immune is just plain ignorant).
The hatred is rooted a lot deeper than the media makes it seem. The carricatures are only the catalyst.
I'm not saying all the muslims who were whipped into a frenzy now have always been anti-Western, but the whole incident is just a pretext to be racist, irresponsible and angry.
There are lots of neo-nazis who actually don't have any reason to believe in the inferiority of foreigners or anything, they just like to have a clear scapegoat they can protest against or beat up if they feel down. Same reason neo-nazis tend to beat up left-winged people of their own ethnicity: they represent a different ideology and they are physically available for beatings.
Heck, humans LOVE scapegoating. We also love being anti. Most peace-demonstrations end up the same way: the pretext is pacifism, but what the demonstration leaders are preaching ends up being anti-establishment, anti-American, anti-globalisation and anti-fascism, just because it's so much fun to be against something.
Now, of course people who are anti-something have good reasons for it. They know all the hate propaganda, they know why "something" is bad and should be banned/killed/removed, but they couldn't be bothered to check the facts because they like having clear destinctions between good and evil.
Without this kind of mentality, I can hardly imagine anyone ever wanting to participate in an aggressive war (there are other reasons to defend your country/family/sexuality/dicksize if there is a direct threat -- e.g. survival and convenience).
Hell, what do you think what the Cola Wars were based on? Which product tastes better? Nah. Which group you want to side with / make fun of.
That said, I am anti-dogs, anti-Pepsi and anti-anti.
Or rather, failure to protect other nations' ambassadors.
The whole thing is blown widely out of proportion, though.
Cattle mentality is not a special feat of muslims, it's a general problem with mankind (and everyone who thinks they'd be entirely immune is just plain ignorant).
The hatred is rooted a lot deeper than the media makes it seem. The carricatures are only the catalyst.
I'm not saying all the muslims who were whipped into a frenzy now have always been anti-Western, but the whole incident is just a pretext to be racist, irresponsible and angry.
There are lots of neo-nazis who actually don't have any reason to believe in the inferiority of foreigners or anything, they just like to have a clear scapegoat they can protest against or beat up if they feel down. Same reason neo-nazis tend to beat up left-winged people of their own ethnicity: they represent a different ideology and they are physically available for beatings.
Heck, humans LOVE scapegoating. We also love being anti. Most peace-demonstrations end up the same way: the pretext is pacifism, but what the demonstration leaders are preaching ends up being anti-establishment, anti-American, anti-globalisation and anti-fascism, just because it's so much fun to be against something.
Now, of course people who are anti-something have good reasons for it. They know all the hate propaganda, they know why "something" is bad and should be banned/killed/removed, but they couldn't be bothered to check the facts because they like having clear destinctions between good and evil.
Without this kind of mentality, I can hardly imagine anyone ever wanting to participate in an aggressive war (there are other reasons to defend your country/family/sexuality/dicksize if there is a direct threat -- e.g. survival and convenience).
Hell, what do you think what the Cola Wars were based on? Which product tastes better? Nah. Which group you want to side with / make fun of.
That said, I am anti-dogs, anti-Pepsi and anti-anti.
The fuck you have aginst dogs?
Freedom hater.
Freedom hater.
Ten thousand angry muslims disagree.
I'm pro-dogs, wich means I'm anti-anti-dogs'ers
This stuff is getting out of hand, I don't understand why these people have to take it out on everybody else.
and the worst thing is that right now the newspapers and the drawer sit safely back in Norway and Denmark rubbing their hands because they are in the end causing more hate, more anger, more racism, and so on.
I wish to hand them out to the muslims so we can get this thing over with...(not that I think it'd be over with that but one step at a time)
This stuff is getting out of hand, I don't understand why these people have to take it out on everybody else.
and the worst thing is that right now the newspapers and the drawer sit safely back in Norway and Denmark rubbing their hands because they are in the end causing more hate, more anger, more racism, and so on.
I wish to hand them out to the muslims so we can get this thing over with...(not that I think it'd be over with that but one step at a time)
John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
That's what I thought, but the source I got them from was good, and there is always this, which shows the worst of them.
This is pretty funny http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8442014088728649932