Reactions to the GI scans

[Silencer]

Meh. So buy it from someone bored with the game, that way the publisher gets jack shit

 

[Sander]

I chose my words fine. Its just that you ignored my second paragraph

You mean the paragraph that is pertinently irrelevant to whether or not buying a copy benefits Bethesda?

If you took from it the idea that I was saying that buying the game wouldn't benefit Bethesda, then really you were reading way too much into it than was there. I was clearly responding to the guy who thought buying a preowned copy wouldn't benefit them and explaing why it would just as much as a new copy.

The first paragraph was semi-sarcastic. I was simply pointing out that the only way you wouldn't be giving money to Bethsoft by buying pre-owned is IF you believe that the only way to be handing them money is in some direct fasion. And I was simply pointing out that IF you believe that, then buying new doesn't change the fact that you aren't directly handing them money either.

The only way, not to be benefiting Bethesda's bottom line is to not buy the game.
Jeez. Sometimes you guys just love to argue don't you.

*sigh*
Don't be silly. Maybe you should learn that the internet does not come with a special sarcasm interpreter or mind-reader. Which is why you should have expressed yourself more clearly.

Also, how ironic it is that the person who also continues in a debate has to accuse the other person of wanting to argue. Give me a fucking break.

 

[Autoduel76]

Meh. So buy it from someone bored with the game, that way the publisher gets jack shit

That's the same thing as buying it from a store.

Just think about it.

You buy from somebody else:

Have you really not given money to Bethesda?

Lets say the person you bought it from, paid Bethesda for it. You are then, paying him to take it off his hands.

Thats the exact same thing that happens when you from a store. The store has already paid Bethesda for the game and you are paying them to take it off their hands.

There's really no way to not support the game and buy it. Its an either or decision.

You can save yourself a few bucks by going the used game route, but you are still financially supporting the game.

 

[Sander]

That's the same thing as buying it from a store.

Just think about it.

You buy from somebody else:

Have you really not given money to Bethesda?

Lets say the person you bought it from, paid Bethesda for it. You are then, paying him to take it off his hands.

Thats the exact same thing that happens when you from a store. The store has already paid Bethesda for the game and you are paying them to take it off their hands.

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Are you kidding me?
What horseshit. By buying it from a store, you are encouraging the store to buy new copies from Bethesda hence benefitting Bethesda.

If you buy it from someone else (a non-retailer), you are in *no way* benefitting Bethesda, since that guy isn't going to be buying any copies from Bethesda or EB.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

By the sound of it Bethesda would probably make it illegal from people selling their 'used' copies of Bethesda games to others.

 

[Big T]

By the sound of it Bethesda would probably make it illegal from people selling their 'used' copies of Bethesda games to others.

Bethesda doesn't need to, at least on one of the platforms.

 

[Silencer]

Ladies and gentlemen, I will now cast "Summon Sorrow"

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Bethesda doesn't need to, at least on one of the platforms.

I never thought I would saythis but this is incredible 'gay', not as in homosexual but as in as arrogant and asshole you can get.

"It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property - meaning that the disc won't be the customer's to sell."

Okay, than make the price of a game a tenner from now on, and when the booklet gets dirty or goes missing you need to provide a replacement.

 

[Starseeker]

There are some decent benefits to living/working in China. If anyone wants games, I am taking orders.

*obscure reference*

"Hackers of the world, unite!"



Edit: Maybe Sony is trying to pull a China. Did you know that you don't actually own any land in China? Everything belongs to the government. You purchase "usage" rights to it.

 

[Pariah]

That's the same thing as buying it from a store.

Just think about it.

You buy from somebody else:

Have you really not given money to Bethesda?

Lets say the person you bought it from, paid Bethesda for it. You are then, paying him to take it off his hands.

Thats the exact same thing that happens when you from a store. The store has already paid Bethesda for the game and you are paying them to take it off their hands.

It's true that Bethesda still would have benefit from the product in question. At the same time however, because you wouldn't be using the retailer as a conduit, the customer peddling to you will not be seen as two people catering to Beth.

Because you're not directly supporting Bethesda, there's no betrayal of principles.

 

[Vault 69er]

By the sound of it Bethesda would probably make it illegal from people selling their 'used' copies of Bethesda games to others.

Bethesda doesn't need to, at least on one of the platforms.

... do Sony have meetings where they decide the best way to piss off their remaining customers?

 

[generalissimofurioso]

... do Sony have meetings where they decide the best way to piss off their remaining customers?

I'm pretty sure that every major corporation has meetings that the common man would find asinine and inane.

Microsoft's "What's Our Next Generic Sci-Fi M-Rated Game" sessions are rollickingly hilarious...

Soulless Microsoft Exec 504: Halo 3 isn't going to be ready in time, Master.

Dictator-For-Life Bill Gates: Then we need something Halo-esque to fill the void. Something we can call innovative and industry changing based on a handful of gimmicks and next gen graphics alone.

Soulless Microsoft Exec 802: Master, master! You have to see this new game from Epic! You play as a battle hardened soldier in super-armor going up against aliens or bugs or some shit! It's got guns an' swearing an' embarrassing character designs an' a shitty story that only complete ‘tards will be impressed by! YOU CAN CHAINSAW A GUY IN HALF!!!

Dictator-For-Life Bill Gates: My god. This...this is perfect. We've got the 14 year-olds and their frat boy intellectual equivalents for sure! Time to blitz up the standard procedure, boys! I want TV and internet ads! I want you to double the amount of Moron Juice we put in the water supply! And don't forget to suck the dick of every two-bit game critic you can find until we have Game-of-the-Motherfucking-Year on our hands!

Execs: Sir, yes sir!!!

 

[Per]

If anyone wants games, I am taking orders.

Because you're a legit games salesman. No warez talk.

 

[Starseeker]

LOL, everything is China is legit! And I don't deal in warez.

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Seriously, why sell anything that you can get online? (you can get cracked version of anything online, so why sell it?) China is similar to Japan in the sense that anything Chinese made has "some" kind of copy right "protection", but most of the foreign goods in China don't get that unless they made a fuss about it. So a lot of these games will get a decent Chinese distribution but the publishing companies will never see a cent of it. That's why most Chinese made games are all MMOs, so they can keep charging to people to play it. And it looks like Sony is interested in taking this concept farther.

 

[Sorrow]

Ladies and gentlemen, I will now cast "Summon Sorrow"

It's nothing new - if you would read software licences, then you would know that reselling games is illegal and that the policy that the user is paying for the licence to use the sofware since the dawn of time.
That's why I find it amusing that people are fighting piracy and pointing to Ebay as a "legal" source of cheap games.

Sony is just the first distributor that decided to put this rule into life.
On the other hand it would completely fuck up the market of games that are no longer in sale.

 

[Galdred]

Meh. So buy it from someone bored with the game, that way the publisher gets jack shit

That's the same thing as buying it from a store.

Just think about it.

You buy from somebody else:

Have you really not given money to Bethesda?

Lets say the person you bought it from, paid Bethesda for it. You are then, paying him to take it off his hands.

Thats the exact same thing that happens when you from a store. The store has already paid Bethesda for the game and you are paying them to take it off their hands.

There's really no way to not support the game and buy it. Its an either or decision.

You can save yourself a few bucks by going the used game route, but you are still financially supporting the game.

That is not completely correct, as Sander pointed out, the guy who paid Bethesda in the first place would have bought the game regardless of your decision.

It still somewhat benefits Bethesda, though, as if you didn't buy it from him, he would have sold it on the second hand market, thus increasing the supply of used product and decreasing their cost, making people more likely to buy used copies than new ones from Bethesda.

So yes, to a certain extent, it still indirectly benefits Bethesda, but it is in no way as "bad" as buying a new copy, and is not "the same thing as buying it from a store".

 

[TF]

 

[Sorrow]

This may improve your mood

 

[generalissimofurioso]

What? It's symbolism! I AM ANGRY!

That and I'm making a point, that point being that Iron Man likes hurting people.

Seriously though, I am getting sick of being told that I am not a REAL fan of Fallout, because I don't think Bethesda is going in the right direction...