DirtyDreamDesigner said:
Of course, but the main highlight to me regarding these screenshots seems that everything has suddenly become very dark.
It also looks more like something from FEAR now.
Reactions to the GI scans
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Of course, but the main highlight to me regarding these screenshots seems that everything has suddenly become very dark.
It also looks more like something from FEAR now.
Well, I just logged in after a recess this weekend:
Verdict - Bethesda sucks.
Awesome, 3 shit games in a row now. I know it's not going to have the depth that Fallout 1/2 had because they don't have the same intelligent, witty writers. And that's about all that they are promising that will be "true to the original"
Oh yeah, that and the emphasis on the raped S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system. Perks every 2 levels? 14 skills? The original and Fallout 2 had 18 skills.
Doctor + First aid = surgery?
Speech + Barter = Bethesda can go suck one?
Get rid of Gambling maybe?
There's just so many ways they can fuck the system even further, especially if they combine weapon groups.
It's not even close to release, but these scans just ruined all hope I had for the game. I already figured that the dialogue/consequences in the game were going to be dumbed down, but now these scans prove that all they want is to appeal to console gamers.
You know a game's not going to please the fans whenever all they release to us is how "great" the art is. They always emphasis the art and the setting. Their priorities are screwed.
1. Console gaming
2. Art & setting
3. Pissing off fans
...
34. Dialogue/Consequences
...
47. Original Game mechanics
When it comes out, you can try to pick and choose what they did right and wrong. Until then, I'm telling you to keep your hopes down. This is going to be another great example of what we WEREN'T looking for in a Fallout sequel.
Verdict - Bethesda sucks.
Awesome, 3 shit games in a row now. I know it's not going to have the depth that Fallout 1/2 had because they don't have the same intelligent, witty writers. And that's about all that they are promising that will be "true to the original"
Oh yeah, that and the emphasis on the raped S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system. Perks every 2 levels? 14 skills? The original and Fallout 2 had 18 skills.
Doctor + First aid = surgery?
Speech + Barter = Bethesda can go suck one?
Get rid of Gambling maybe?
There's just so many ways they can fuck the system even further, especially if they combine weapon groups.
It's not even close to release, but these scans just ruined all hope I had for the game. I already figured that the dialogue/consequences in the game were going to be dumbed down, but now these scans prove that all they want is to appeal to console gamers.
You know a game's not going to please the fans whenever all they release to us is how "great" the art is. They always emphasis the art and the setting. Their priorities are screwed.
1. Console gaming
2. Art & setting
3. Pissing off fans
...
34. Dialogue/Consequences
...
47. Original Game mechanics
When it comes out, you can try to pick and choose what they did right and wrong. Until then, I'm telling you to keep your hopes down. This is going to be another great example of what we WEREN'T looking for in a Fallout sequel.
Tom_Sawyer
First time out of the vault
We all know beth is not going to shit can this and start anew. They have got it nearly finished and its sure to be a show stopper,
Just like this fine other company
http://moo3.quicksilver.com/main2.html
Well perhaps that is too harsh, after all Beth is relying on the console kiddies to help make it profitable. If it sells enough to make a profit then fuck it, they can just move on to the next project.
I did make one realization however. F3 is set on the East Coast while Wasteland, F1 and F2 where West Coast.
Some of us think that the East Coast super mutants look like Orcs. Well thats because the master used the F.E.V. West Coast mix virus to dip his army.
Over on the East Coast all they had left was the Orc Evolution Virus. So if you should encounter the O.E.V I feel bad for you
Just like this fine other company
http://moo3.quicksilver.com/main2.html
Well perhaps that is too harsh, after all Beth is relying on the console kiddies to help make it profitable. If it sells enough to make a profit then fuck it, they can just move on to the next project.
I did make one realization however. F3 is set on the East Coast while Wasteland, F1 and F2 where West Coast.
Some of us think that the East Coast super mutants look like Orcs. Well thats because the master used the F.E.V. West Coast mix virus to dip his army.
Over on the East Coast all they had left was the Orc Evolution Virus. So if you should encounter the O.E.V I feel bad for you
Tom_Sawyer said:Over on the East Coast all they had left was the Orc Evolution Virus. So if you should encounter the O.E.V I feel bad for you
Haha, awesome.
Ah, I just checked the link. MOO3 was pretty horrible compared to it's predecessors. MOO2 was the best, mostly because I had to whip out the manual every time one of those validation questions popped up in MOO1.
Yo, yo, yo. East hood vs. West hood.
Let the gang wars begin, yup yup.
Let the gang wars begin, yup yup.
The Dutch Ghost said:
It looks like the bastard child of FEAR and Gears of War, the first of which I enjoyed, the latter of which is an overrated version of Whack-A-Mole with guns and blood(which looks like red diarrhea...)
Paladin Solo
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Byron said:
Byron said:
Oh, but apparently, it's ok to be "sure it will turn out pretty well."
I really hate how people say we don't have a right to complain, or we shouldn't complain, yet they think they have a right to blindly support any piece of crap that Bethesda tosses their way and hails it as revolutionizing the market. Food for thought, we can hate a game that is tossed our way because of all the evidence that we ALREADY HAVE. Quotes, screencaps, general information, mechanics (or lack of), etc... Yet we'll still have fanboys coming here saying "stop whining because I'm too sensitive to open-minded individuals." And I doubt they will go away even after release and even after some of us may gripe because they're too sensitive to dissent, especially when it's backed up by facts as well as well-constructed opinions and criticisms.
I really don't care if you like it or not (you in general terms), but I hate it when you (you in general terms) say we can't not like it or we shouldn't not like it or speak out against it. We can, and we will. If you (again, in general terms) want to speak for it, go ahead, but don't proclaim yourself to be so wise as to say we can't speak against it.
Byron said:
Indeed, their inability to create a dynamic world, sound dialogues, or an interesting combat system, the introduction of handheld nuclear catapults are all great signs it will turn out well...
Although I would somewhat agree with you: "it will turn out pretty well for them because although it will be Oblivion with guns, or a dumbed down version of Fallout, it will still be a hit".
Dracon M'Alkir
Vault Senior Citizen
I love the recent influx of new users expressing opinions much more dire than some of the old timers on the forums.
Especially the ones with the horrible spelling.
I'm not looking at the lurkers that have been browsing the website for like four or some odd years, if they recently sign up - they make their opinions clear and consistent. The new additions that are actually, well - wanted;
But not the ones that are like:
"beth sux dik, i h8 consles. im jst lyk u guys. i knoe wt u all meen. yah! optisitm sux!1"
As for the other post above of you can't make judgements before having concrete proof, have you ever heard of reading between the lines? If you always believe what you are told directly from everyone, you're going to be scammed, robbed, and live a sheltered life.
"Enlarge your penis today! Proven results, look here, hard evidence!"
Oh, well that sounds swell - lets order several hundred pills. I don't see anything wrong here at all. Nope.
Especially the ones with the horrible spelling.
I'm not looking at the lurkers that have been browsing the website for like four or some odd years, if they recently sign up - they make their opinions clear and consistent. The new additions that are actually, well - wanted;
But not the ones that are like:
"beth sux dik, i h8 consles. im jst lyk u guys. i knoe wt u all meen. yah! optisitm sux!1"
As for the other post above of you can't make judgements before having concrete proof, have you ever heard of reading between the lines? If you always believe what you are told directly from everyone, you're going to be scammed, robbed, and live a sheltered life.
"Enlarge your penis today! Proven results, look here, hard evidence!"
Oh, well that sounds swell - lets order several hundred pills. I don't see anything wrong here at all. Nope.
The reactions i noticed, when i talked to a few friends. Were also more negative. Mostly because of the combat 'mode' and the First/Third-Person view...
Is it just my opinion or do people who complain about people using the term 'Oblivion with Gunz' and telling us that F3 doesn't look like Oblivion with gunz and the infos about it dosen't point to Oblivion with gunz, often also say in later post (or later in the same post) lines like: "I liked Oblivion" or "Oblivion wasn't all that bad, so you have to give them a chance" ?
It surely could only be my perception, but i find such things highly amusing, even if i might only imagine them
Is it just my opinion or do people who complain about people using the term 'Oblivion with Gunz' and telling us that F3 doesn't look like Oblivion with gunz and the infos about it dosen't point to Oblivion with gunz, often also say in later post (or later in the same post) lines like: "I liked Oblivion" or "Oblivion wasn't all that bad, so you have to give them a chance" ?
It surely could only be my perception, but i find such things highly amusing, even if i might only imagine them
Dracon M'Alkir
Vault Senior Citizen
Bad_Karma said:The reactions i noticed, when i talked to a few friends. Were also more negative. Mostly because of the combat 'mode' and the First/Third-Person view...
Is it just my opinion or do people who complain about people using the term 'Oblivion with Gunz' and telling us that F3 doesn't look like Oblivion with gunz and the infos about it dosen't point to Oblivion with gunz, often also say in later post (or later in the same post) lines like: "I liked Oblivion" or "Oblivion wasn't all that bad, so you have to give them a chance" ?
It surely could only be my perception, but i find such things highly amusing, even if i might only imagine them
Like I said before, genuine opinions are fine; but when people bash Fallout 3/Bethesda simply because they think its the way the community runs around here, or just do it for the hell of it - then it gets distracting/annoying/bad.
I'm still confused about the whole VATS thing. Matt Miller said something in the GI interview that could be interpreted along the line of 'this is just the usual FPS combat, you can just pause the combat and get an aimed or called shot in shooting your enemy or the monsters.'
In the GI article, however, it sounded more like Realtime with Pause, although perhaps a more twisted Realtime with Pause option than in say BG or NWN. It is clear, however, that it is not Turnbased combat nor is it genuine Real Time combat.
It is some sort of twisted combat system where you in Realtime can Pause the game, make an aimed shot, and this then uses action points. meaning that you only can make a second shot - after your your AP fills up. But then, you can still fire: when you run out of Action Points : The whole combat system is still a haze and very confusing to me...
And so, it seems it is to everyone else, too.
I'll just this sum up again: Neither the TES crowd, not the TB crowd, nor the FPS crowd (or fans) will be happy with this combat system. It may be some sort of twitched RT system with a even more twisted pause system, but I don't the fans will like it --- simply because it, to them, seems like Bethsoft is trying to please every possible fan group in the gaming communities - possble hoping for more sales that way. My guess is that sales won't be as good this time around....
As for the people being alarmed by VATS and saying that they liked Oblivion, I think this was to expected as (most) people know that Oblivion and Fallout are two different games, and perhaps also two different game genres as Fallout is a more story-driven RPG than a TES game is or have even been, since TES games are more exploration/sandbox rpgs than Fallout games is.
And of course, the TES fans know this and want to keep the Fallout feeling in a Fallout game.
In the GI article, however, it sounded more like Realtime with Pause, although perhaps a more twisted Realtime with Pause option than in say BG or NWN. It is clear, however, that it is not Turnbased combat nor is it genuine Real Time combat.
It is some sort of twisted combat system where you in Realtime can Pause the game, make an aimed shot, and this then uses action points. meaning that you only can make a second shot - after your your AP fills up. But then, you can still fire
: when you run out of Action Points : The whole combat system is still a haze and very confusing to me... And so, it seems it is to everyone else, too.
I'll just this sum up again: Neither the TES crowd, not the TB crowd, nor the FPS crowd (or fans) will be happy with this combat system. It may be some sort of twitched RT system with a even more twisted pause system, but I don't the fans will like it --- simply because it, to them, seems like Bethsoft is trying to please every possible fan group in the gaming communities - possble hoping for more sales that way. My guess is that sales won't be as good this time around....
As for the people being alarmed by VATS and saying that they liked Oblivion, I think this was to expected as (most) people know that Oblivion and Fallout are two different games, and perhaps also two different game genres as Fallout is a more story-driven RPG than a TES game is or have even been, since TES games are more exploration/sandbox rpgs than Fallout games is.
And of course, the TES fans know this and want to keep the Fallout feeling in a Fallout game.
If you listen to Todd explain it, you should be able to understand Matt's confusion.
requiem_for_a_starfury
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
What ever the system is I bet the more complicated the shot is, the smaller the target. Then the higher the AP cost will be.
Dracon M'Alkir
Vault Senior Citizen
Brother None said:
Time for Dark's amazing simplification skills, once again!
(I love doing this
)VATs lets you slow down real time gameplay to a point where you can make good decisions about where to hit said opponent, where in real time - its very hard to accurately hit a person in the head using the controller. This is to balance out the giant accuracy discrepancies between the PC and Xbox versions. Now they cannot say that the mouse is superior to the controller because now the console player can pause combat and simply 'choose' to shoot said target in the head. This of course, we all chalked up as being an RPG element (which it's not,
.)We also included gore effects. We didn't want to, but had to. It was to please the console fans. (Listen from 02:26 to 02:31 for confirmation of this.)
Todd's voice stress level is also relatively high, which also suggests that he is not getting the level of response that he expected from the Fallout community, that he is worried about choosing his words carefully for this interview - while at the same time attempting not to mess up his flow of speech.*
*Edit_1
As far as my gaming habits, PC vs My Xbox 360, PC wins by default. While my PC has oodles of games to choose from, so far I only have two games for the box, just because I'm not a big FPS fan.
The first one is Lego Starwars The original Trilogy while the other is Viva Pinata. I plan on getting Mass Effect. How does this tie into Gears of Falloutwar 3? Well, should I rent it from blockbuster, weep and cringe, or would that be giving any money to Beth along with Block Buster's cut?
After seeing the GI article, I still find myself in a state of "Shadowrun cross genre switching", mainly due to having my teaspoon of hope dashed.
Just to make my self clear on why I'm going to love Mass Effect and why I don't like what's happening to Fallout, in case some more enthusiastic supporters of the new F3 show up, here's the kicker for me:
Mass Effect is an Original IP created specifically to be a CONSOLE ACTION RPG. So I'm excited! I want to play this game because it's showcasing gameplay mechanics/atompshere that will be the FOUNDATION of the entire Franchise! They aren't going to suddenly scrap the entire format to make it a RTS game.
Fallout is an original IP created specifically to be a CRPG. I EXPECTED to experience similar gameplay mechanics that made the first two wonderful RPGs with good amounts of strategy involved. Right now, at best, I'm glued to the fence of "never will use my money to pay for it." The gameplay/atmosphere were components in equal parts to making the FOUNDATION of Fallout appealing to me. Take one away, for example, the previously established gameplay mechanics, then that publisher loses my interest. Consoles, in my opinion, will never have the versitality of a PC when it comes to creative freedom involving game mechanics/structure.
I rented Oblivion for a week and then I lost interest. The core story and mechanics just didn't keep my attention. Which is a bit strange since I had hours of enjoyment from Morrowind.
Edit: What I mean by not using my money for it:
No, Im not going to download it, if anything Ill see if I can get it as a Christmas Present of +10 to my Fortitude Roll.
Edit 2: If I cant get it as a present, then it can join the other FINO game that I have never owned, which I'm extreamly glad I read all the reviews at the time it came out. Otherwise I might have been foolish and bought it for my PS2.
Heck, I think I'll just wait for the Fall 2008 reviews to come out, wait for people to turn it in as used merchandise at EB, specifically ask for it as a present of the preowned variety, so that EB gets all the profit. Hmmm, guess who won't be getting any money at all?
The first one is Lego Starwars The original Trilogy while the other is Viva Pinata. I plan on getting Mass Effect. How does this tie into Gears of Falloutwar 3? Well, should I rent it from blockbuster, weep and cringe, or would that be giving any money to Beth along with Block Buster's cut?
After seeing the GI article, I still find myself in a state of "Shadowrun cross genre switching", mainly due to having my teaspoon of hope dashed.
Just to make my self clear on why I'm going to love Mass Effect and why I don't like what's happening to Fallout, in case some more enthusiastic supporters of the new F3 show up, here's the kicker for me:
Mass Effect is an Original IP created specifically to be a CONSOLE ACTION RPG. So I'm excited! I want to play this game because it's showcasing gameplay mechanics/atompshere that will be the FOUNDATION of the entire Franchise! They aren't going to suddenly scrap the entire format to make it a RTS game.
Fallout is an original IP created specifically to be a CRPG. I EXPECTED to experience similar gameplay mechanics that made the first two wonderful RPGs with good amounts of strategy involved. Right now, at best, I'm glued to the fence of "never will use my money to pay for it." The gameplay/atmosphere were components in equal parts to making the FOUNDATION of Fallout appealing to me. Take one away, for example, the previously established gameplay mechanics, then that publisher loses my interest. Consoles, in my opinion, will never have the versitality of a PC when it comes to creative freedom involving game mechanics/structure.
I rented Oblivion for a week and then I lost interest. The core story and mechanics just didn't keep my attention. Which is a bit strange since I had hours of enjoyment from Morrowind.
Edit: What I mean by not using my money for it:
No, Im not going to download it, if anything Ill see if I can get it as a Christmas Present of +10 to my Fortitude Roll.
Edit 2: If I cant get it as a present, then it can join the other FINO game that I have never owned, which I'm extreamly glad I read all the reviews at the time it came out. Otherwise I might have been foolish and bought it for my PS2.
Heck, I think I'll just wait for the Fall 2008 reviews to come out, wait for people to turn it in as used merchandise at EB, specifically ask for it as a present of the preowned variety, so that EB gets all the profit. Hmmm, guess who won't be getting any money at all?
Autoduel76
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Wyrmwolf said:
Well, technically, you aren't directly handing money to any company unless you buy it directly from them, or preorder it. Because, EB, Best Buy, Wallmart, or whoever you are going to buy it from has already paid Zenimax for the games.
Buying it used at EB saves you money and gives EB additional profit, but you are no less giving Bethesda your money that way, than if you bought it new at EB.
Personally, I don't buy used games, out of spite for the annoyance that all of the pestering EB/Gamestop employees give you to trade in and/or subscribe to Game Informer when you just want to shop in peace. But that's my own issue.
You don't understand market economy much, do you?Autoduel76 said:
Buying a copy of Fallout 3 new, will result in the store buying a new copy to re-fill their stock. Buying a used copy usually won't have that result, since used and new games are treated as seperate stock.
So, yes, by buying Fallout 3 you are almost directly giving Bethesda money for the game.