Reddit: Fallout 4 Was A Good Thing

Dr Fallout said:
You need help.

But seriously, are you one of those people who thinks that Fallout is supposed to be wacky and fun?
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Oddly enough, no I'm not, but Bethesda actually went and tried something interesting. Granted, saying Zeta was Fallout 3's best DLC is kinda like saying Chinese water torture is the torture I like experiencing the most, but I thought the idea behind Zeta was actually solid. If it was it's own IP (and wasn't written by Bethesda) it might've turned out pretty decent.
 
Ben Soto said:
Oddly enough, no I'm not, but Bethesda actually went and tried something interesting. Granted, saying Zeta was Fallout 3's best DLC is kinda like saying Chinese water torture is the torture I like experiencing the most, but I thought the idea behind Zeta was actually solid. If it was it's own IP (and wasn't written by Bethesda) it might've turned out pretty decent.
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Hmm, as a kind of wacky Alien shooter I can see what you mean, but with Fallout? Eh...
 
Exactly my point. It would've been great as a standalone, and I liked Bethesda trying something that wasn't either recycled from Fallout 2 or less interesting than watching grass grow.

I'm looking at you, O:A.
 
Can't judge a game for the potential that the concept originally possessed, though, as much as I would like to, because otherwise every game would be technically good because rarely is a game's original concept ever bad.

Most of Fallout 3's concept designs were wasted on, well, Fallout 3. I could say the same for Skyrim and Fallout 4. I can't leap away from the sense that whoever does concept art for Bethesda needs to have his or her potential realised. I found neither Skyrim nor Fallout 3 inherently bad, but nor the best it could've been regarding all the ideas behind it before it actually begun getting developed. One might even say that it's possible Bethesda are overambitious, always planning for perfection.

Operation Anchorage was wasted potential (background lore?), Point Lookout was wasted potential (the setting!), Mothership Zeta was wasted potential (for another IP perhaps), Broken Steel was incredible wasted potential (fixed the story?), Fallout 3 as a whole was wasted potential (insight into East Coast), and Fallout 4 was definitely wasted potential (don't need to explain). This is why you cannot rate Bethesda on the potential of their ideas - they have a lot but do nothing with it. If the smartest man on Earth does nothing with all his knowledge and intelligence, then all his smarts are useless. Though I would hesitate to compare Bethesda to a smart person, there is a similar predicament present with Bethesda and Fallout.
 
They just need a team of writers who give a damn. Collaboration and editing IS everything.

Example of Fallout New Vegas writing: "What if the guy in charge of New Vegas was a computer?" "That's interesting, but why would a computer want to be in charge of Vegas?" "Hmm, good point, how about it's a pre-war guy who put his brain in a computer?" "What if, the guy is in a life-support machine and uses the computer as a front?" "Like a Wizard of Oz man-behind-the-curtain-type deal?" "Exactly!" and so on and so forth.

Example of Fallout 3 writing: "What if the President of the Enclave was a computer?"... "Hey Emil check out this blowing up heads shit the animators cooked up!" "Cool!"
 
Does anybody know how BGS is structured in terms of writing/editors? Is it really just Emil?

Like, say what you want about Bioware's design priorities, you can't really deny that they write the heck out of those games. Dragon Age: Inquisition, for example had nine writers and three editors and was much stronger as a result.

I wonder how much Bethesda's games could be improved if they just hired 10 more writers and editors. It's not even going to a pipeline issue, since in gamedev writers and editors switch over to QA and/or DLC once their duties for the main game are discharged (they're ideal for QA since they know how things are supposed to work, having written them), and we all know that Bethesda games could use more QA...
 
PossibleCabbage said:
I wonder how much Bethesda's games could be improved if they just hired 10 more writers and editors. It's not even going to a pipeline issue, since in gamedev writers and editors switch over to QA and/or DLC once their duties for the main game are discharged (they're ideal for QA since they know how things are supposed to work, having written them), and we all know that Bethesda games could use more QA...
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More than numbers BGS needs writers/editors willing to ask questions like how, why, and does it make sense. 10 people with the same moronic sense of humor would just end up writing more "kid in the fridge" style quests. From what I've seen put out there by the public faces of the company the set up is all ass backwards at Bethesda, I mean the PR guy is involved heavily in the design of the game, how does that make sense. I was once in the hospitality industry and the kitchens job was to make sure the server's knew all about the dishes being served so they could sell it to the customers and answer questions, they were never asked into the kitchen to help make the shit.
 
Irwin John Finster said:
1) Reddit is full of fanboys of all types, not just Fallout. I'd rather read YouTube comments.

2) Bethesda didn't deliberately dumb down anything. This is a game by casual gamers, for casual gamers. They think Fallout 4 is an intellectual marvel.
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Youtube is so much worse in my opinion...
 
Dr Fallout said:
Irwin John Finster said:
1) Reddit is full of fanboys of all types, not just Fallout. I'd rather read YouTube comments.

2) Bethesda didn't deliberately dumb down anything. This is a game by casual gamers, for casual gamers. They think Fallout 4 is an intellectual marvel.
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Youtube is so much worse in my opinion...
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My opinion:

Reddit is for like-minded people who want to be repeatedly affirmed on their opinions. Though the general and discussion subreddits rarely ever fall to this, specific subreddits that support a single religion, political view, movie, book, game, or any other subject are prone to be close-minded and not accepting of new ideas.

If you're either insecure about your opinion, or in most cases just plain bored no one is talking about your favourite subject, you go to Reddit to talk with other people who like what you like, and hate on people who hate what you like.

YouTube has no quality control nor consequence for expressing opinions. People don't speak out in public because other people will react directly to them. Even on sites like Reddit, there's a similar-to-real-life kind of social pressure from people you don't agree with, because you might use Reddit again later for actual advice and you don't want to sour your reputation before then.

On YouTube comments you can say whatever the fuck you like, whether you actually believe it or not, and never get affected in any significant way for it. People take advantage of that to either act or actually be as stupid and hateful as possible because there is no consequence for being stupid and hateful.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
Reddit is for like-minded people who want to be repeatedly affirmed on their opinions. Though the general and discussion subreddits rarely ever fall to this, specific subreddits that support a single religion, political view, movie, book, game, or any other subject are prone to be close-minded and not accepting of new ideas.

If you're either insecure about your opinion, or in most cases just plain bored no one is talking about your favourite subject, you go to Reddit to talk with other people who like what you like, and hate on people who hate what you like.
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Why are you talking about NMA? We're totally different!
 
Dr Fallout said:
Why are you talking about NMA? We're totally different!
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Reddit is not NMA because NMA is not Reddit. :grin:

Okay, okay, the difference is that this place is a combination of the two subreddit types. NMA does have one majority opinion, but it's also open-minded, which is more reminiscent of real-life than anywhere else on the Internet.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
Reddit is not NMA because NMA is not Reddit. :grin:

Okay, okay, the difference is that this place is a combination of the two subreddit types. NMA does have one majority opinion, but it's also open-minded, which is more reminiscent of real-life than anywhere else on the Internet.
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Agreed. Heh, nice to know we're a bit better.
 
ZigzagPX4 said:
My opinion:

Reddit is for like-minded people who want to be repeatedly affirmed on their opinions. Though the general and discussion subreddits rarely ever fall to this, specific subreddits that support a single religion, political view, movie, book, game, or any other subject are prone to be close-minded and not accepting of new ideas.

If you're either insecure about your opinion, or in most cases just plain bored no one is talking about your favourite subject, you go to Reddit to talk with other people who like what you like, and hate on people who hate what you like.
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As a proud Redditor, I must inform you that this is objectively wrong. Reddit isn't where you go to reaffirm your opinion. Reddit is where you go to argue with other people about how your opinion is the most superior. It's kinda like a presidential debate that way.

In my opinion, NMA is like a really open-minded person surrounded by a wall of douchebags. All the douchebags on NMA leak out onto the rest of the web, while the NMA we know and love is forgotten by those who get scared off by the douchebags. It's a great community, but we've got some pretty retched PR.
 
Ben Soto said:
As a proud Redditor, I must inform you that this is objectively wrong. Reddit isn't where you go to reaffirm your opinion. Reddit is where you go to argue with other people about how your opinion is the most superior. It's kinda like a presidential debate that way.

In my opinion, NMA is like a really open-minded person surrounded by a wall of douchebags. All the douchebags on NMA leak out onto the rest of the web, while the NMA we know and love is forgotten by those who get scared off by the douchebags. It's a great community, but we've got some pretty retched PR.
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You do realise that I'm also a Redditor and that I also spend a lot of time there, yet I can see it's no joke how close-minded a large number of subreddits can be? Why do you think the phrase "circlejerk" is in constant usage there? Because there is always one, all the time. An endless parade in the act of repeating the same ideals and going over the same patterns for no logical reason, again and again, because of the refusal to accept new opinions.

There are subreddits designed outright for the sharing of opinions and fair debates, that is true. Not to mention a huge number of advice subreddits that allow people to get all kinds of help. Reddit isn't completely bad, it wouldn't be the front page of the Internet nor a news source otherwise. The thing is, these subs are far outnumbered by the subs that constantly feel the need to reaffirm their own opinions and fight others who think differently. Reddit is great, but there's no doubt that the place has a much larger share of people who defend their opinions without logic or reason, just actively trying to make their argument the only one that's right. It used to be the central location for the people who genuinely believed that racism is included as part of freedom of speech, which speaks a lot on its own.

NMA does exaggerate about the Fallout subreddits, though. Most of the fans you'll find on those ones aren't fans of just Bethesda games, but all of the Fallout games (with the obvious exception of that which I will not name). They appreciate New Vegas for the writing and lore, and still enjoy the arcade-like action-packed nature of Fallout 4. That's fine. As I've said before, I don't dislike Fallout 4 for what it is, but for what it represents.

Admittedly, NMA and other similar forums are not without their flaws, but naturally by being smaller, more enclosed, better administrated, and having poorer reputations that ward off large groups of new members, they are undoubtedly less polarised and less heated than larger communities like Reddit.
 
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