Reptiles Anyone?

Crni Vuk said:
yeah we are animals ... indeed.

Last time I remember ants build nuclear weapons.

Bees search for biological weapons.

Foxes killing their brethren because they believe in Islam and not Christianity.

Wait a min.

Another thing noted in this thread was the human condition. Modern humans, or Homo sapiens, or wise man. Humans are animals. We share an extraordinary amount of biological similarity not just in DNA to other mammalian and non-mammalian creatures.

Ant's do not build nuclear weapons nor chemical and biological weapons. No. But... Many other creatures have shown the ability to do what humans do. This all comes from our brain, which is another thing we share with other complex biological lifeforms.

Apes have been seen utilizing sticks and rocks. Japanese primate Macaques have developed the knowledge that staying in hot springs are a good way to stay warm and socialize.

Humans on the other hand have a higher level of thinking, and self awareness. It's a biological matter. It's been developed to the point that we can understand things. This includes but is not limited to pattern understanding, engineering, mechanics, and practice. Humans are animals just like a cat, a dog, or even a cow is an animal.

Ant's are not very complex so to speak. They like many other smaller lifeforms act on impulses. They have not developed a large enough neuro-network to act in a way humans do. Another reason man is known as the wise man or knowing man. We are as humans different, but we are only different because of our brain and body.

Also, research on apes has shown that they can form their own intelligible sentences and phrases using sign language. Apes can communicate with humans and understand what we are talking about through repetition. The same way a human child learns to speak or use sign language.
 
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Bal-Sagoth said:
They are a danger and I am simply making the area safer for myself and my kind. If nature wishes them to continue to exist they will develop some type of coping mechanism.

How can nature evolve and animal to be able defend itself from being shot?
 
Kreppe forget about it. it is clear that Humans have no connection to the nature anymore.

We use machines, weapons and many other tools to shape the landscape yeah the world how we see fit. Be it from building a simple shack to the whole industrialization. Thinking we would simply "replace" something in the process like humans would be a natural predator is foolish and ignorant. Thousands of hectare of landscape get pretty much destroyed each day for "creating" our habitat. Making room for what ever we think we need. The kind of damage we do shows that this is NOT a natural process. We manage to destroy many different species in the process and not as part of the evolution - how can it be part of the evolution for example when we use guns, fire and what ever else to "kill" a snake population for example ? That is an "artificial" procedure.

It is very sad that many types of lizards and snakes disappear and have now to be protected.

- I am surprised that Per hasn't appeared yet. Anyway. Do you want that he gets extinct ? Stop shooting snakes !
 
^Still killing a dangerous animal that treatens you and your kind is a antural process and instinct, Humans use guns because thats what their skills lie, in making tools to get over natural obstacles, we don't have wings, we can't breath udnerwater, we don't have particularily strong apendages unless extremely trained, now killing a species just for sport or luxury is a very nasty thign to do.
 
@ Crni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

Permian/Triassic extinction was WAY worse than anything humans done and will do. I doubt that we'll ever be able to kill over 90% of species in few thousand-few hundred thousand years. Earth has been cleansed of life completely many times, it has been frozen solid, it has collided with an object size of Mars, it's been through long periods of drought (Permian, Triassic), floods (in Cretaceous sea level was 200meters higher than today), asteroid impacts, and many, many more. It has happened before that just one species dominated the planet (plant eating terapsids in late Permian/early Triassic), and life managed to survive, has been doing great, and then, over time, killed those guys. And the same fate awaits us. I bet in few million years steel, concrete and plastic will be completely assimilated by nature.

And even if we didn't kill those lizards, snakes, crocs, etc, they would die sooner or later. 'Cause that's what nature does: develops better suited species in place of worse fit.
 
Yeah, all the things you mentioned about animals getting killed off, were natural or semi-natural events, the reason most animals die-off these days is because humans directly or indirectly kill them, not because of a drought or flood.

Anyway, back to the topic, I wonder if that man has just accepted that he's that lizard's bitch.
 
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