Resident Evil: Zombies, Plagues, and Hot Main Characters

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by CT Phipps, Feb 11, 2017.

  1. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Resistance feels like a somewhat halfass attempt at something like Outbreak.
     
  2. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    I'd liken it to some kind of hodgepodge of Left 4 Dead and Friday the 13th. Outbreak had you playing little Resident Evil scenarios, with randomized item placements but it still felt like Resident Evil, Resistence just looks like you are running the gauntlet.
     
  3. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    I must admit the scenarios thing was the one thing I disliked about those games.
     
  4. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    It was a good way to play with people online, Spend an hour or so playing a level, because unless you were playing on a PS3 with BC it took some time to load rooms. I think the big problem with the scenarios is that sometime they interconnected but then they weren't or had people in some areas that make no sense or if it was a bad scenario it became a slog. Why are we in the Lab from the end of RE2 in Below Freezing? The Hive is just annoying with the stupid leech guy chasing you around but then Flashback is another hospital level that has you being chased by a dude with an axe and it isn't nearly as annoying. End of the Road is still fucking bad ass though.
     
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  5. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    I remember fantasizing about the game when it came out since I didn't have good internet. Such a wasted genre. Capcom could do something great with the Outbreak formula but they would rather go for the low hanging fruit. I understand though. I need munny too.
     
  6. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    I think Outbreak came out a couple years early. It was the infancy of console online gaming. Also that in game context sensitive communications was outright bonkers. I get it that the devs wanted to maintain IMMURSHUN but having a 7 button combination to ask for a herb is kinda crap, just add in voice chat.
     
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  7. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Right. Dial-up internet is not the best to begin with either, so most people did not even bother. It was such a weird time for the gaming industry. Games on the Dreamcast had online but nobody I knew played on it.
     
  8. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2020/04/resident-evil-3-remake-review.html



    I feel like I've missed the boat on being part of Resident Evil 3's remake reviews. While I normally don't pay much attention to those sorts of things, I was a pre-order and really sunk my teeth into the game--or tried to. A lot of what I felt about the game has already been shared and is basically repeated ad nauseum. Which, to me, means it's true. I overall liked the game but felt that it did suffer from some pretty glaring flaws that impacted the experience.



    Nemesis has some good scenes but gets his butt kicked a lot.


    The premise of Resident Evil 3 is that it is an adaptation of Resident Evil: Nemesis that I didn't quite grok was the "official" third game until years later. I always thought of Resident Evil: Code Veronica as the superior of the two released roughly around the same time. Jill Valentine is trapped in Racoon City during the outbreak of zombie-ism brought about William Birkin. Her goal is to escape the city but she's on the run from a mysterious creature known as the Nemesis. Along the way, she teams up with a Umbrella Corps merc named Carlos.

    Actually, this is not entirely true as the plot is significantly changed from the original. Well, sort of. Specifically, there's a few subplots about Jill wanting to try to save a bunch of civilians and stop the destruction of Racoon City by the US military. It's not a spoiler to say that she does not succeed in the latter. However, it does change Jill's motivations significantly as she's no longer driven by pure survival but something more heroic. Also, it makes the game darker because this is one of the few games where the heroes almost completely fail to achieve anything worthwhile. I would have been very interested in following this up actually.



    Jill is gorgeous. I mean, the graphics are. Also Jill.


    Unfortunately, the game's much darker plot and willingness to put its heroine through the wringer doesn't have to germinate. It has been commentated many times that Resident Evil 3 is short to a fault. This is true, though also misleading. I finished the game in just under three hours and I'm not some miracle-achieving speedrunner. The Resident Evil 2 Remake campaigns were of a comparative length but both Leon and Claire had different stories despite almost identical gameplay. You play as Carlos as well as Jill but as part of the same campaign rather than two separate ones. As such, RE3 feels like roughly half as long.

    This feels noticeable because there is more plot in the game that could have been dealt with better. When Jill fails to save civilians, how does she feel about that? How does it feel when she fails to save Racoon City? What she think about Carlos and the others in his squad? Is she actually afraid of the Nemesis or it just more of an annoyance? There were only a few intimate character moments in the RE2 remake but they were there with Sherri Birkin as well as the mysterious Ms. Wong.


    More Jill. Sorry, it's an addiction.

    I'm going to be honest, I wasn't blown away by Nemesis in this game. I was expecting something like a turbo-charged Mr. X and instead it came off more like Ustanak from Resident Evil 6. Utsanak chases after Sherri Birkin disturbingly hot older self and Jake Mueller, Wesker's son, throughout their campaign. Ustanak is scripted cutscene and boss battle after boss battle where he survives countless explosions as well as an army's worth of ammunition. Nemesis is scary and effective the first few times you face him but overuse effectively makes him feel less threatening. Like Ustanak, you beat Nemesis so many times and escape him with such little effort that he's just annoying by the end.

    Nikolai is the other major villain of the game and is less disappointing but also a bit one note. He acts like an enormous jerk to Jill and is solely motivated by money but he doesn't really engender the kind of hate a really good villain should. I feel like they also missed a great opportunity to tie his backers to the Connections from Resident Evil 7. As such, he seems like another underdeveloped character that could have been much more. Really, I felt cheated we didn't get a boss fight with Nikolai even if it would stretch the limits of believability.


    Nemesis is less Jason Voorhees and more Kool-aid Man

    The gameplay feels a bit like a simplified version of Resident Evil 2 Remake with most of the same zombie models, dogs, and other creatures. The zombies are a lot less durable this time around and it feels a lot to take them down. Jill and Carlos also have a dodge ability that makes it easier to get out of their way. Indeed, the final battle requires you to master the dodge mechanic, which I felt made it significantly less fun than the more skill-based ones. On the plus side, I actually did enjoy combat a lot more as the action set pieces were very well-designed. The segments where Nemesis is stalking you through the streets are the best in the game.

    Despite all of my complaints, I really feel this is a beautiful video game. Jill Valentine is redesigned to one of her best looks and I don't mind the tank top as well as jeans look that Lara Croft has popularized. Carlos also looks great. There's some really good levels and while the lack of puzzles is bothersome, I felt like previous games overdid them. As an action game, it strikes a nice balance between RE2 and RE4. Still, I feel like this isn't a must play and isn't nearly as well-balanced as its predecessor. It's just too quick and action set-piece-y to make the game perfect. Maybe two more hours of content or a Carlos campaign would have made it work. I also would have made Nemesis less commonplace as an enemy and deadlier.

    7/10
     
  9. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    May as well

     
  10. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    It's like Resident Evil 4 had a baby with Resident Evil 7 then they decided to adopt Chris.
     
  11. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    And then it wanted to cosplay as a Hunter from Bloodborne.
     
  12. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    And then CT Phipps can review it so I don't have to play it. Or I can play it on my new PC. No that would be a sellout move. I won't play FPS RE.

    Wait I played Survivor. I am a hypocrite.
     
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  13. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    I guess Chris got tired of waiting for Leon to stop pining for Ada.

    Guess Chris is okay with slight mutations in the Redfield bloodline.
    :hatersgonnahate:
     
  14. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    RE7 is fun, it's more like old Resident Evil games than 6 or 5, and even 4. It even has backtracking and the puzzles.
     
  15. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Yeah calling these games "FPS" resident evil games is inaccurate to say the least. Yeah they're in first person and there is shooting but the actual game design is not built for it to be played like an fps. You'd just run out of resources and then die. I'd say it really is just classic style resident evil in the first person. And I can say that the remake of 2 is very much classic resident evil in the third person. The series has hit a sort sort of renaissance these last three years and you're missing out bud.

    I'm not talking out of my ass here I grew up with classic resident evil i know how the gameplay loop is supposed to feel.
     
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  16. Makta

    Makta The DICKtator

    Jul 29, 2010
    As someone who has grown up with the games since the first one was released i agree. RE7 is a better RE game than 4-5-6 IMO.
     
  17. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    It's not inaccurate. They are FPS Resident Evil games. There are FPS games that aren't like Doom. Look you like the game and don't want me to demean it by calling it a FPS but it is a FPS and it is about as much Resident Evil as Outlast is. At this point they can throw blob monsters in anything and call it Resident Evil.
     
  18. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Half-way Through My Half-life

    Nov 26, 2007
    Do First Person games (where the user controls the camera) have as much emotional impact as fixed position third person games; like Nocturne?
     
  19. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign No Original Thought Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    No.
     
  20. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    First Person Survival!

    Beat RE3make a bit back. It was ok, I guess. I feel that RE2make had a much better vision of what it wanted to be and it pulled off way better than 3make did. maybe I'm biased against 3make because the OG was my favorite of the PS1 games.