Robotics and Artificial Intelligence in the Workforce

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Pax the Sectoid, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    China is China, they're not really socialist in the western sense. Progress through any means is their motto. They've never really been a 'kind' nation to their citizens, that's why they have like huge factories built in residential areas and the factories sometimes blow up.

  2. Pax the Sectoid

    Pax the Sectoid Still Mildly Glowing

    Jan 3, 2018
    I'm surprised China even has robotics or a scientific community for that matter.
  3. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    It's a mixed thing with China. They have a massive industry and R&D sector, but they are almost completely devoid of innovation. "R&D" for them is still mostly copying and reverse engineering. Even all the students they send to western universities to get a different type of education can't fix that for now. But chinese companies also buy out many innovative western companies, so the knowledge and skills are under chinese control. And their R&D might catch up eventually, although I think they require a cultural shift first. As cliché as it sounds, but chinese culture still isn't all that much about free thinking.
  4. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    One can blame hundreds of years of Confucian thought. Then blame the Qing Dynasty.

    The history of China is a sad one, mostly towards the early 19th and 20th centuries. After the Qings, you had the warlods. Then you add a heaping helpful of Japanese invasion, inept and destructive ideologies leading to civil war. After that, the Chinese people get to taste the fruits of their love of communism with things like The Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution.

    China has only been relatively stable after the death of Mao and the Gang Of Four.

    But yea, the Chinese do not really innovate so much as copy. Life is cheap there and things are so bad that helping people who fell, getting off the bus, means you getting blamed for it and paying. Also, this is suppsed to be good as if your not a city dweller, you are REALLY fucked.

    A 2 year old girl got run over by 2 cars and nobody did a damned thing. She of course, died later.
  5. Pax the Sectoid

    Pax the Sectoid Still Mildly Glowing

    Jan 3, 2018
    Still find it hard to understand their way of thought and the whole "traditionalist" ideology.
    Yes I get how much their culture has been affected heavily by their history but what I don't get is why are they still adhering to it.
  6. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    They ARE changing but like everything else, it is going to take time.

    Mao and the Gang Of Four, died and lost power in 1976. As such, China has only been truly stable and developing for roughly 42 years. While the CPC has certainly made great leaps in enriching some their citizens, that doesn't necessarily mean those richer folks are any better INTELLECTUALLY or SOCIALLY. Forget those who are still screwed, like those not possessing an urban registration. There is a reason why, unlike Japan or Germany or even Korea, China is not know for globally competitive companies. Instead, China is a manufacturing haven because of its large, cheap, and largely under-educated workforce.

    If the CPC ever gets serious about educating their people not only in economic but SOCIAL matters, then we will have progress. Currently, merely 42 years from the dark times, China has a ways to go in regards to education. In order to have education for all, one needs to possess enough wealth for education for all. For a country with a population of 1.3 BILLION, that is a LOT of money.
  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yeah, but a critically and free thinking China where people would have the freedom to question the authority and status Quo? That's the moment it would implode, or so I believe. China is, not a nation, it's a combination of many nationalities and the party is keeping them under controll, quite often with force, I mean Tibet or the Uygur People, just to name some. I just don't see how a liberal China with a free thinking culture, would keep it all together peacefully. But hey, who knows? They might surprise me.
  8. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    They could take a page from the USSR on this one.

    Maybe have some Federated Republic which only shares a few things like national laws and defense.

    I agree with you though that at this point, I doubt the Chinese people themselves will be able to govern themselves without imploding. The CPC isn't real big at teaching people to think outside the box, including thinking of effective ways for the country to transition into a democracy.
  9. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Comparing Russian Federation/USSR with China, it is odd how Russia has managed to maintain demographic unity to such a degree. China has both the Uyghur/Xinjiang independence movements, as well as the much more high profile Tibetan independence movement. Clearly, they see further need to control the population quite strictly, and they are actively and continously moving to "hanify" the whole territory (something Russia has not, seemingly, needed to do to any similar degree)

    I guess the south-Caucasus situation could serve as an example of what only one lapse in continous control could result in

    India is maybe a more relevant comparison though, since it has a population to match, and active independence movements as well, but somehow have no need for authoritarianism to maintain territorial integrity
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  10. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    It is quite possible it is merely the system in charge. The USSR was known for expelling large amounts of natives and filling the land with ethnic Russians.

    The Russians also had to deal with the Chehens, culminating in a military conflict the flattened the Chechen resistance, once and for all.
  11. Aurelius Of Phoenix

    Aurelius Of Phoenix Not AureliusofPhoenix

    Mar 9, 2018