Robots, will they make our life easier?

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Crni Vuk, Jun 1, 2019.

  1. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    I predict a lot of low wage jobs disappearing, specially for cleaning services, and once self driving cars are prefected, public transport ones too. A lot of jobs just can't be replaced by robots yet without going full Blade Runner. My job is secure until I can retire from it so no worries there either.

    It's basically double the Colombian Minimum wage.
     
  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I think a lot of people underestimate the practicality of the new automatition and overvalue their own position. Unless you're some kind of unique genious like Stephen Hawking, I think one way or another automatition will hit you. We love to think that we're special, but actually we aren't. There are millions of people like us out there, with comparable skills and jobs/tasks. We're all here more or less average in most things.



    A machine has not to exactly replicate your task, to necessarily replace your position. It just has to get close enough in doing it, that it's worth it. For example, a machine that's 50% slower might still be used if it's just a 1/10 of the cost. In many areas human labour makes up between 30 and 40% of the costs. And we havn't even talked about a partially automatition of your job, like where only a certain maybe tedious task is outsourced to a machine. Jobs where you might have needed 2 or 3 employes, can be now done by one. An increase in efficiency and productivity.

    But let us assume your job or position for what ever reason is completely save from any kind of automatition. You will still feel the effects. You won't have necessarily to deal with machines but you will now face a lot more human competition to deal with and the preasure on your job market will increase.


    The whole society is changing and no job simply exists in a bubble where nothing else matters I am afraid. Besides, if suddenly 40 or 50% of the population would loose their job and thus their income, you would face a society that's close to a civil war I believe. Frustrated people with nothing to loose and empty bellies, are dangerous.

    For example, I personaly had a very strong opinion and supported the minimum wage, which I still kinda do for now. But I changed my opinion about it in the sense that I see it not as a long term solution anymore if this new automatition really kicks in. People witihout jobs, don't get minimum wage. So I believe, many of us that think, it won't bother them, might find themself soon enough in a situation, where they have to maybe adjust their views a little.
     
  3. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Tell me how they can automatize design, specialy CUSTOM TO CLIENT design and development. How are they gonna tell the robot to put "More design" into it? How will the robot compute aesthetic value and usability? There are things that need human heads to work, specially in the UX sector, there are people who already distrust digital artists, I would imagine they would distrust robots designing things even more. Automation would in fact benefit my area of work as I work in a software development firm, we will be the ones programming those robits and making the User interfaces friendly to the engineers who have to mantain them.

    Customer service jobs will also be safe for a long time, people get mad enough if they suspect you are just following a script (Actually most customer service agents aren't given any scripts whatsoever nowadays) imagine them dealing with a robit, specially with how archaic voice commands still are, people already get pretty upset just with the automated prompts to send them to the appropiate agent.
     
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  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am not a programmer. So I can not give you a clear answer to that or how this could be achieved in detail, or if it's even possible at all. I am not even saying that it HAS to happen, just that I believe there could maybe one day a way to do it, particularly as there is a very high incentive to acually replace white collar labour to cut costs. But if hey can get a machine to write articles and create music already today - go watch HUMANS NEED NOT APPLY, you probably could get a machine to do design work one day as well. Who the hell knows?

    I think you're missunderstanding me a bit here. I said that in many cases it's already good enough if a machine gets CLOSE to what a human can do, not that it will do the exact same type of work or give you the exact same results. However, if you get close to what you want and it only costs you 1/100 of it, that's for many people good enough. I am not saying that I necessarily welcome this kind of thinking infact, I believe it simply leads to more cheap products that all look vagualy the same. But it's not up to me to decide what people chose and what they don't chose.

    Anyway, the important point I wanted to make was that no one is safe from this automatition, even if they do not loose their job, they will still feel the preasure. I mean, if a large number of people loose their jobs to robots, what do you think will happen? A lot of them will try to move in to jobs robots can't do. And unless you're the smartest person in the country, you will feel this preasure as well. Almost no one of us, is THAT special after all.
     
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  5. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Universal basic income.
    Out of control capitalism is gonna end up with them having to turn into dirty commies just so the economy can work.
     
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  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Either that, or we end up with a society that's not unlike what you see in the movie Elysium. A society with a two caste system. On one side you have a large number of people that just exist and fall in to decline, while a small elite if you so will, holding the few remaining jobs machines can't do enjoy most of the profits those machines generate and those elites also simply hand down their jobs to their children. Like a new form of aristocracy.
     
  7. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Or it might signal the return of Girochin-chan. Automated Girochinchan. Girochin Z. Girochin Wing.
     
  8. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Oh, hey and for the case someone still says, this digitalisation/automatition? Naw! It will never affect me.

    Just a matter of time guys ...



    This is the other (very possible) side of artificial intelligence, in combination with social networks.
     
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  9. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    My country is too stupid to even attempt a system like that.
     
  10. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    958
    Oct 26, 2016
    "Praising the government on social media."

    That is so despotic sounding, that Donald Trump probably thought it was a good idea and asked his cabinet whether they could implement it.


    Edit*
    "Cheating in online games."

    Actually nevermind, this is a fantastic idea. PLEASE implement this China.
     
  11. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    They targeted gamers.

    GAMERS.
     
  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    So you welcome our new A.I. Overlords!

     
  13. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    People:

    Scientists:
    this invention will lead to less work for you
    People:
     
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  14. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Vault Fossil

    Jun 15, 2015
    I don't trust robots. I prefer things to be done with human hands. With robots, especially with how more advanced they are getting by the day, I just don't trust them and feel uneasy with them. Maybe I am robophobic. Fuck it. Down with robots! Human supremacy for life!
     
  15. Risewild

    Risewild Venerable Relic of the Wastes
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    That's because, while people hate work... They hate not getting paid even more. :V
     
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  16. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    This. So much this. You both are right. I mean Bux and Rise.

    It's also funny how many people simply say, naw! This won't be a problem. The people will simply learn something else.

    Hehehehe ... he .... yeah. I can see 54 year old Bussdrivers, Forkliftdriver and Cashier becoming Virtual Reality Designers and Big Data Analysts studing Math and Physics. Everyone will be an academic. I am sure.
     
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  17. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Universal Basic income, or Guillotines, choose your ending.
     
  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Nuuuuu! Are you crazy! That's communism! Who's going to pay for it? Or are you even suggesting *ghasp* to build less military fighter planes and increase taxes on the rich! Preposterous!
     
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  19. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Guillotines it is.
     
  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Most probably, yeah.