Rosh on Fallout 3
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Many reasons not to. It'd only provoke drama, I can never be 100% sure, etc.
Like I said, at this point it's moot anyway.
Like I said, at this point it's moot anyway.
Kharn said:
No, I didn't say such things. But why should they change their model for market success? There is no reason not to try the Oblivion coup a second time. Read Ashley Cheng's comments on Fallout 3 and Fallout fans - "We know you don't like current action RPGs, but times have changed blah blah - ipods rule the world..."
And fear of bad rep? muhaha - look at their treatment of TES fans, Startrek fans, STG... really, I can't see that Beth is worrying about bad rep after release date. btw - I'm waiting for my Daggerfall patch since many many years.
taxacaria said:
There isn't? No reason to adapt, because the situation is *exactly* the same?
Really?
taxacaria said:
Exactly. If they had no fear, why would they even react, let alone how they did?
VDweller
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Remember the conversation we had yesterday? Looks like we've already influenced some events, no?Briosafreak said:
There is always something to influence. Take KOTOR for example. The game was almost done when Bio went to LA and said that the dialogues suck due to the wordcount limit and got a permission to rewrite all dialogues in the game. There are other examples.
Well, I haven't seen anything with my own two eyes, so there is always a chance that the info isn't correct. I was told that the game is neither turn-based nor isometric, and that if we expect exactly the same game as the first two, we'll be disappointed, but if we are as open minded as the goatse guy's ass, then we'll absolutely love it or something.Kharn said:
VDweller said:
Again, clear (and very graphic, thank you), but to make something clear; it is "vague" in the same way that those guys answering to "worries about it not having turn-based or 3rd person view" with "don't worry", which indicates an opposite design direction, both of the people that said this having seen the game themselves and neither having any built-up rep like you or Rosh.
I don't know, we've been over this many times. The vague level of the rumours is understandeable both from those guys' NDA-viewpoints and your worry about your contacts viewpoint, so I can't really wave a flag and say "you're wrong for being vague", but I can say "I'm sorry, this is too vague, I can't really do that much with it."
(not saying that's the case here, just that is wanders in the direction of vague-hurting-usefulness, not that it's at any extreme in it)
Also, I'm internet famous as a psychopath! That's influencing events! Go me!
Kharn said:
Hypothetically the situation is they have to sell a game again, that doesn't match fans' expectations. And they know how to do that.
Change of audience, console design with second line bad pc conversion, change of old fashioned non-action features and controls etc.
Remember, there are a lot of possible customers without or without clear Fallout remembrance. 10 years are a long time. Say to them "Buy our new RPG - as great as multi awarded Oblivion, but even more violent and even more Terminator like" - what do you think? No market success?
And a lot of old fans will buy it, too - from nostalgic reasons or even just to look and criticize or hoping for modding possibilities.
And now you see a new fanbase - most of the old fans have retired, except for some modders.
Maybe they have some fear before release - but that's all.
That's the reason why they don't hand over the facts - and so you can wait 'til release date before you'll can be sure.
I don't know if you've watched Beth's policy before Oblivion was released : no facts which could annoy old fans, only nice screenies and nice dev comments and nice statements from Pete and Todd.
Usually questions on dumb down, console, role etc were answered with "Don't worry blah blah - no problem at all blah blah - your informations are wrong/old/uncorrect - you will be happy and satisfied when you see our great solution blah blah - trust us, we love TES blah blah - and you'll get the radiant AI and Patrick Stewart and Bloom and HDR and nice flowers in the wind..."
And in this way they managed to sell a number of copies to old fans ( not all by preorder ).
Why? No one had expected a console conversion of a flat action game with adjustable stats. Got me?
taxacaria said:
Oh, I got you, I'm more curious how you can completely miss the fact evident in your own statement.
Hollowpoint
First time out of the vault
So there has still been no hints whatsoever in either way yet in regards to modding?taxacaria said:
With Oblivion in mind I can see one reason it would be implemented though and kept secret for as long as possible..
"We thought the car and powered armor in Fallout was really cool ideas and part of the must haves in a sequel. As a result we naturally included them in Fallout 3!
Building on our successful and wildy popular system from Oblivion they will be released as separate downloads. At a later time. For a fee."
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
Definitely yes, that's why I was disputing the idea that by not placing rumors on the front page we had lost any chance in doing so, which I think is silly, particularly since we discussed them on the Forum and they were shown in other places.
Of course we know the limitations in this present context of our actions, but it's always better to be proactive than just to react, as we were doing for awhile. That time is long gone now, so that's why I don't get why Rosh is making all this noise again. Bah.
And MSFD Kharn is still waiting for all the cool loot!
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I too have that feeling, although I surely don't know Rosh as good as you and the admins...Briosafreak said:
The only logic and rational conclusion I could draw out of that would be that Rosh works for bethesda, but that's highly unlikely, if not impossible...Briosafreak said:
Maybe he is the "community guy" X3
Cancerous1
First time out of the vault
Politics
If everyone were this outspoken and concerened with matters of the world outside, George Bush wouldn't have gotten a second term. You think instead of voting too many people were all anxiously checking bethsoft.com for an update?
Will I be pissed if bethsoft screws up Fallout 3? Well, its already out of the hands of its creators so that kind of already screwed up. Will I play it anyway? Yep.
I'm a huuuuge Fallout Fan, and nothing can take away from that, if F3 sucks, i'll just keep playing 1 & 2 and loving them still, I'll still have my huuuge collection of civil defense paraphenelia(sp), radiation detectors, fallout shelter signs, and an honest to god fallout shelter built in my basement for the geek sessions on the weekends.
I've always gotten a kick out of rosh's rants and Yeah I've been around long enough, before BOS, quietly lurking to see that they range from actual insight, to well worded flaming psyco-rants.
Take it all with a grain of salt and just don't forget where you put your good old Fo 1&2 disks and we should all pull through just fine
If everyone were this outspoken and concerened with matters of the world outside, George Bush wouldn't have gotten a second term. You think instead of voting too many people were all anxiously checking bethsoft.com for an update?
Will I be pissed if bethsoft screws up Fallout 3? Well, its already out of the hands of its creators so that kind of already screwed up. Will I play it anyway? Yep.
I'm a huuuuge Fallout Fan, and nothing can take away from that, if F3 sucks, i'll just keep playing 1 & 2 and loving them still, I'll still have my huuuge collection of civil defense paraphenelia(sp), radiation detectors, fallout shelter signs, and an honest to god fallout shelter built in my basement for the geek sessions on the weekends.
I've always gotten a kick out of rosh's rants and Yeah I've been around long enough, before BOS, quietly lurking to see that they range from actual insight, to well worded flaming psyco-rants.
Take it all with a grain of salt and just don't forget where you put your good old Fo 1&2 disks and we should all pull through just fine
No it itsn't.aries369 said:
For fuck's sake, people, there's a delete button there if no one has posted after your post. Use it!
Sander said:
Not in the News forum. I just ran into the same problem...
Several people in this thread are making conjecture based on misconceptions and half-truths. I can only echo Kharn and Briosafreak: the air is thick with completely unnecessary drama. Maybe some people will trust at least one of us.
Also, Per - I am pregnant with your lovechild.
Dracon M'Alkir
Vault Senior Citizen
Per said:
I've always trusted you the most, Per.
If all of us Fallout fans developed some kind of disease that killed us within three hours, and we only had one vaccine available, I'd give it to you Per.
Per said:
So you're saying too that Rosh might be lying about all\some of what he said about Fallout 3? It would be much easier to believe what you guys are saying if you would explain why is it that you think this way. I believe most of us here are more interested in the game than in in-fan wars...
sanyok21 said:
Unless I missed some hidden subtext, he didn't say anything about thinking that Rosh is lying.
I really don't understand what the problem is. It's a rumor: there is nothing to back it up, no facts, no names, no evidence, nothing. Kharn and others are just pointing that out - there is nothing to believe or disbelieve about what he's saying, he's just pointing out what common sense should already be telling you. Maybe it shouldn't be discounted completely, but it also shouldn't be embraced. There's nothing wrong with trusting Rosh or Vault Dweller and giving some weight to their statements, but you'd have to be an utter idiot to completely believe something as fact when the only evidence for it is some words by an anonymous guy on the internet.
And as for the drama, just let it go.