Russia attacks Ukraine

DarkCorp said:
Didn't someone say let's not argue semantics of population as everyone essentially came from somewhere else?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

Seems like before Palestine was 'Arabized', the majority of it's inhabitants were Jews and other non Muslims. I guess things like that don't matter unless it fits ones arguments

And your response somehow means it's ok to ethnically cleanse the Jews from the area as well? I am not trying to straw man here on purpose but your response sounds like that is a valid reason for four countries to ambush a smaller one.
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Jeez, you make a statement then add a question mark. You assume/imply that I wanted the 6 day war to last at least 9 months and non Jewish folk could attack Jews and steal back the land that the British had promised to Jordanian catholics. I don't want to sound like Miss Ann Thrope BUT some of the fuckers in this world are best avoided.
 
The_Den_Resident said:
As for it playing out, I think from my interpretation is you saying that they could be wrong in the future.
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*Sigh*

What I am trying to say is that if you have a certain narrative and manipulative propaganda chanel/media that it messes up the brainwaves of the people watching it. This happens over a long time. It's like food. You consume too much suggar, even if it's sweet, you get Diabetus. Propaganda is not necessarily just about "lies" told by the other side or something. You would be surprised how often propaganda is actually rooted in facts.

It's not about being right, wrong, truth or information. You can even be feed "correct" information and still see a heavy polarisation happening where some people at some point get the feeling they should take some shotgun, explosives or what ever and kill the fuckers they have to hate.

What people say, how they say it and in what context does have consequences.

As I already said, even if it was a news chanel/source that that agrees with my leftist world view it would be still a problem if it manipulated their viewers into geting out there hating all the cops because apparantly they are racist killers. You get what I am saying?

The_Den_Resident said:
*I think arguing what is or not is propaganda isn't going to go anywhere..
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: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause
also : a public action having such an effect

Propaganda Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
 
william dempsey said:
Jeez, you make a statement then add a question mark. You assume/imply that I wanted the 6 day war to last at least 9 months and non Jewish folk could attack Jews and steal back the land that the British had promised to Jordanian catholics. I don't want to sound like Miss Ann Thrope BUT some of the fuckers in this world are best avoided.
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You made a statement saying that the land belongs to the Arabs based on 'historical prescedent', which is bullshit as people all migrate and leave. You then also bring up genocide quite casually in a way to imply how the Jews have no right to be there, are land thieves, and essentially that the Palestinians are entirely blameless even though they were still fighting each other when it was British Palestine

You took an incredibly complex problem and simplified it to Palestinians good, Jews bad

And somehow I am the asshole? Unbelievable.
 
Crni Vuk said:
*Sigh*

What I am trying to say is that if you have a certain narrative and manipulative propaganda chanel/media that it messes up the brainwaves of the people watching it. This happens over a long time. It's like food. You consume too much suggar, even if it's sweet, you get Diabetus. Propaganda is not necessarily just about "lies" told by the other side or something. You would be surprised how often propaganda is actually rooted in facts.

It's not about being right, wrong, truth or information. You can even be feed "correct" information and still see a heavy polarisation happening where some people at some point get the feeling they should take some shotgun, explosives or what ever and kill the fuckers they have to hate.

What people say, how they say it and in what context does have consequences.

As I already said, even if it was a news chanel/source that that agrees with my leftist world view it would be still a problem if it manipulated their viewers into geting out there hating all the cops because apparantly they are racist killers. You get what I am saying?
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Well, thank you for breaking it down by the atoms for me. That's what I wanted you to do because it seemed there were holes or things that you attempted to explain to me that perhaps weren't clear. But why tell me this? I still don't understand your motives in all of this. That's why I asked in the question if you were replying to me since my video links caused this whole conversation between us.

Crni Vuk said:
: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause
also : a public action having such an effect

Propaganda Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
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What is the point of linking the definition for me? I said exactly what I said, that's why I choose the words. I was making an example of 2 people trying to prove their sources are superior in facts than the other one's sources and stating that such a debate would be useless.

My EDIT: Earlier yeaterday I typed "so what do you do with that?" It wasn't intentional my apologies.
 
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I think it's kind of funny this whole thing boils down to "waah NATO stole my friends".
 
DarkCorp said:
You made a statement saying that the land belongs to the Arabs based on 'historical prescedent', which is bullshit as people all migrate and leave. You then also bring up genocide quite casually in a way to imply how the Jews have no right to be there, are land thieves, and essentially that the Palestinians are entirely blameless even though they were still fighting each other when it was British Palestine

You took an incredibly complex problem and simplified it to Palestinians good, Jews bad

And somehow I am the asshole? Unbelievable.
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Calling yourself an asshole will not draw any sympathy from me.
  • A series of secret military operations in the 1980s and 1990s transported more than 28,000 Ethiopian Jews to Israel. Rastafarians believe Haile Selassie who spent the war years in Britain to be a living god.He is now dead. So you accusing me of oversimplifying things is an understatement of vast proportions. When you asked " Why did everyone gang up on the Jews" you need to stop and think Why is everyone ganging up on Russia !
 
william dempsey said:
Calling yourself an asshole will not draw any sympathy from me.
  • A series of secret military operations in the 1980s and 1990s transported more than 28,000 Ethiopian Jews to Israel. Rastafarians believe Haile Selassie who spent the war years in Britain to be a living god.He is now dead. So you accusing me of oversimplifying things is an understatement of vast proportions. When you asked " Why did everyone gang up on the Jews" you need to stop and think Why is everyone ganging up on Russia !
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This report is about an operation that happened in the 20th century. This has ZERO to do with your claim that Arabs have some kind of 'historical precedent', or in other words, 'they we're there first', bullshit. Long before Palestine was Arab or Muslim, it was Jewish/Roman.

And I also stated that BOTH sides were killing each other, which includes, yes, the Jews killed too. What did I exactly obfuscate?

And I didn't ask why everyone was ganging up on the Jews. Show me where I said this.

What I DID post was to an answer related to Crni and others who asked the question, 'Who benefits from American Intervention?', and I answered Israel among a few others

What I actually said was a statement that the Jews/Jewish state was ambushed by four Arab nations intent on wiping it off the map. I also said the settlement issue was a direct result of the 1948 Arab Israeli war. You then proceeded to get triggered and mentioned genocide and the rest.

Also I said YOU were implying I was an asshole. Jesus, did you even READ what I actually posted?
 
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Ukraine has been fucking those Russian Generals up. Good job comrades.
 
DarkCorp said:
This report is about an operation that happened in the 20th century. This has ZERO to do with your claim that Arabs have some kind of 'historical precedent', or in other words, 'they we're there first', bullshit. Long before Palestine was Arab or Muslim, it was Jewish/Roman.

And I also stated that BOTH sides were killing each other, which includes, yes, the Jews killed too. What did I exactly obfuscate?

And I didn't ask why everyone was ganging up on the Jews. Show me where I said this.

What I DID post was to an answer related to Crni and others who asked the question, 'Who benefits from American Intervention?', and I answered Israel among a few others

What I actually said was a statement that the Jews/Jewish state was ambushed by four Arab nations intent on wiping it off the map. I also said the settlement issue was a direct result of the 1948 Arab Israeli war. You then proceeded to get triggered and mentioned genocide and the rest.

Also I said YOU were implying I was an asshole. Jesus, did you even READ what I actually posted?
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Please do not refer to me as Jesus. This is blasphemy and you are a sinner.Without using the word genocide you said:Jews/Jewish state was ambushed by four Arab nations intent on wiping it off the map. This could be construed as a definition of genocide. I think anyone would agree to that wording. So again you imagine or assume my first comments used the first there first served argument. You take that area of the ' Erf ' and say it was populated by Jews and Romans. Who was there before them ? Also you used the ......... BUT fallacy. I don,

t want to put up a straw man you said .... but then you do. I don't usually use Trumpist Ad Hominems BUT.. yp momma.........
 
People need to realize that everything is propaganda and lies to some degree. Even those sources you like?
Especially those sources you like.
No, seriously. Everything contains lies on some level, nothing is neutral, everyone has a product, opinion, or ideology to sell. No fucking exceptions. The only thing you can do is get your shit from a dozen different sources and carefully assemble a turdburger of knowledge out of the kernels you found common in all said sources of shit.
And ain't nobody got time for that, so instead we just resign and accept the kind of sources aligned to our own ideology as the lesser evil instead of pelting all the whorenalists and politicians with rotten fruit like we should.
 
Hassknecht said:
People need to realize that everything is propaganda and lies to some degree. Even those sources you like?
Especially those sources you like.
No, seriously. Everything contains lies on some level, nothing is neutral, everyone has a product, opinion, or ideology to sell. No fucking exceptions. The only thing you can do is get your shit from a dozen different sources and carefully assemble a turdburger of knowledge out of the kernels you found common in all said sources of shit.
And ain't nobody got time for that, so instead we just resign and accept the kind of sources aligned to our own ideology as the lesser evil instead of pelting all the whorenalists and politicians with rotten fruit like we should.
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Even that doesn't necessarily work though. Look at just how many sources of media, from both sides of the perspective, were parroting those "Ghost of Kyiv" and "Snake Island Resistance" stories that turned out to be fake (entirely fake in Ghost of Kyiv case, mostly fake in Snake Island Resistance).

The primary problem is fog of war. Nobody has a complete picture on what's happening, not even Russia and Ukraine - and because war has always been waged on two fronts (the battlefield, and hearts and minds) you can almost guarantee that whatever information they DO release isn't guaranteed to be the full story.

Propaganda, as shown throughout history, can be a very powerful tool. Both the Germans and the Russians understood how vital it is to the war effort, and I'm not even talking about propaganda towards your own citizens, that's only a third of the fight. The most important propaganda is not that of which you feed to your own citizens, but that of which you feed to people outside the world. As we've seen in Putin's case, propaganda can be used to such effect that if done well enough you can literally fabricate a casus belli out of thin air. You might think, "oh that's bullshit, nobody fell for Putin's bullshit and the whole world saw through it".

But did they really? Think about it, even on this site, in this thread, there are several people parroting Putin's fabricated casus belli like it's fact. Depending on how good your propaganda is it can force people to, at the very least, entirely rethink their position on a subject... and given the fact that some if not many of these people aren't even Russian we can certainly say that the people following said propaganda isn't just all chalked up to blind nationalism. What purpose would a Croatian, a Chinese, or even Westerner have in parroting Russian propaganda... if it didn't have exactly the same profound "as intended" effect on them to where they actually believe it to be taken as fact
 
william dempsey said:
Please do not refer to me as Jesus. This is blasphemy and you are a sinner.Without using the word genocide you said:Jews/Jewish state was ambushed by four Arab nations intent on wiping it off the map. This could be construed as a definition of genocide. I think anyone would agree to that wording. So again you imagine or assume my first comments used the first there first served argument. You take that area of the ' Erf ' and say it was populated by Jews and Romans. Who was there before them ? Also you used the ......... BUT fallacy. I don,

t want to put up a straw man you said .... but then you do. I don't usually use Trumpist Ad Hominems BUT.. yp momma.........
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You want to win on semantics, I'll give you the 'wipe Israel off the map', comment.

And to continue, you ask who was there before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

https://m.jpost.com/blogs/why-world...the-indigenous-people-of-palestine-402785/amp

It looks like the current theory is, we all seemed to have emerged out of Africa at the earliest but otherwise, if you move forward, the earliest settlers were canaanites, a SEMITIC people's.

So your historical precedent theory is still bullshit. Just as with the fact I never ASKED why they ganged up on Israel, I already know. The two sides have been fighting a long time and occasionally ganging up on the British when they were in charge.

And again, my original answer wasn't even directed towards you but to Crni and others. You got triggered and jumped in.
 
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Hassknecht said:
People need to realize that everything is propaganda and lies to some degree. Even those sources you like?
Especially those sources you like.
No, seriously. Everything contains lies on some level, nothing is neutral, everyone has a product, opinion, or ideology to sell. No fucking exceptions. The only thing you can do is get your shit from a dozen different sources and carefully assemble a turdburger of knowledge out of the kernels you found common in all said sources of shit.
And ain't nobody got time for that, so instead we just resign and accept the kind of sources aligned to our own ideology as the lesser evil instead of pelting all the whorenalists and politicians with rotten fruit like we should.
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That's why I break it down into Putin invading because he's run out of excuses for why he's been president for over twenty years with the oligarchs and Chechen insurgency as his only wins. Skipping all the stuff, it's a desperate attempt to maintain power by trying to bring back the imperial glory days of the USSR.
 
Mστh said:
Hey Billy (can I call you Billy? I'm gonna call you Billy) where are you from?
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I'm not sure what to call you. I will call you Sebastian if that's ok. I won't be a doubting Thomas but just incase you missed my birthplace ,place of residence when you searched for my name ' Billy' (which as you know is another term for William) I will tell you. I am from a small town in Bulgaria called Liverpool. OK I lied Seb Liverpool is an autonomous socialist state in Lancashire which is in the British Isles. Like all scousers I adore LFC and the Beadles. John Lenin and Paul Mc Carthy were brill songwriters. Paul Mc Carthy liked communist witchunts while John Lenin wanted hippy revolution and enjoyed shagging Japanese ladies.
 
DarkCorp said:
You want to win on semantics, I'll give you the 'wipe Israel off the map', comment.

And to continue, you ask who was there before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

It looks like the current theory is, we all seemed to have emerged out of Africa at the earliest but otherwise, if you move forward, the earliest settlers were canaanites, a SEMITIC people's.

So your historical precedent theory is still bullshit. Just as with the fact I never ASKED why they ganged up on Israel, I already know. The two sides have been fighting a long time and occasionally ganging up on the British when they were in charge.

And again, my original answer wasn't even directed towards you but to Crni and others. You got triggered and jumped in.
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Triggered lol. As if. I merely put in a comment knowing full well you would go ape shit. You love this ' Historical precedence ' phrase. Then after your brief ' Out of Africa ' explanation you ramble on about canines using a Semetic language. Even Bennet says that Zelensky is talking shit comparing Ukraine to the holocaust. I think the Nazis will become tired of the puppet and oust him take away some of the millions he has stashed but then blame Putin for having Dachas and hanging with capitalist feudal Oilygarths.
 
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