Saddam Hussein captured

welsh

Junkmaster
If you haven't heard yet, the bad boy of Baghdad has been captured. It's all over the news.

So what do you think will happen next?

Will the war continue?

Should Saddam be put to death?

Your thoughts?
 
First, you have to be sure it's the real Baghdad badboy. The guy had like 50 "clones", this one was maybe supposed to get caught.

The war will continue, as long as there are intere$t$ in that country.

Putting him down? Nope. As mentioned in another threas, nobody has the right to morally kill someone. If it's the real saddam, the rest of the old coot's life in guantanamo with Dubya in one cell should do the trick. Both are bloodthirsty SOB. If the person isn't... well... dunno.

It's striking, every time the monkey in the white house wants more money from you americans, the CIA comes up with a brand new osama tape or claims the death/capture of a known *T3rRoRi5T*. Not to mention 87 billion bucks would pay a brand new WTC in every state.

Go figure.
 
welsh said:
If you haven't heard yet, the bad boy of Baghdad has been captured. It's all over the news.

So what do you think will happen next?

They'll cut that big fat ugly beard from his big fat ugly face and they'll put his sorry arse in that Guantanamo thing.

welsh said:
Will the war continue?

Probably. There are still many religious problems in Iraq. The only effect this will have is this: the Western world will be somehow satisfied ("well, they didn't find no nukes, but they did find the guy who doesn't have no nukes"), the People in Iraq who were glad to be liberated but scared that Saddam could come back, will be able to get some sleep tonight, the American army will get a real morale boost and Bush... ha, Bush will eventually get re-elected.

welsh said:
Should Saddam be put to death?

Nah. I'd like to see a mud-fight, though. Bush vs Saddam in a pile of Brahmin shit. The loser has to lick the other one clean again. :twisted:


welsh said:
Your thoughts?

Go Yankees go! :violent:
 
It's him. DNA tests were conducted on him. Yay! I am so happy, I'm going to party today! As for the death penalty, let the Iraqis decide, he tortured them. And the war will continue. Down with Sadam! Next up is Osama! Although, he might take much more work and time.
 
Another plastic Turkey moment.


Wipe away the celebration spittle. The capture of Saddam Hussein, like so much surrounding this fantasy war, will produce more questions than it answers. Just as the U.S. administration worked the PR machine when the war 'officially ended' now the capture of Hussein will also prove to be just another plastic Turkey moment. Another moment that does not really matter.


Hussein, for a start, was not 'directing operations' covered in shit in a tiny cellar with hardly any clothes and a wonky beard. But then anyone on the ground could have told you that. That claim was also PR. Also the idea that the operations and attacks against the U.S. military were in any way worrying to the Pentagon is also a ludicrous claim. No one, and we mean no one, cares about dead U.S. Grunts. Nor the wounded or traumatised. Least of all the men who sent them there.


The attacks against U.S. armed forces were always just a minor irritation to this U.S. administration's long game, the securitisation of world energy resources for the benefit of the USA. Whilst the hysterical, headline seeking mass media, trumpeted the deaths of US soldiers one by one they consummately fail to add them up. The invasion of a country of 28m people has cost less than 700 troops, in total, from every country, with every cause of death. Suicide, car accidents, food poisoning, falling from buildings. It's been a doddle, a cakewalk, just as they said it would be.


But now they have become trapped by their own game. Whilst the death of each soldier was recorded it made it seem like it mattered. Of course it did not as we have said, but the PR game was to make it seem like the USA was involved in a proper war. Not the invasion of a resource rich country for the "capitalist dream" (The Economist), which was the forced handover of state industries to U.S. companies and the privatisation (or looting, whichever you prefer) of state oil assets and supply chains. By making out that they were involved in a proper war with real hardened enemies the U.S. administration have created a monster of their own.


Because what happens now? What happens if Iraq continues along the way it is now? Because surely it must. Surely this has to have been a long term aim of the U.S. administration. Social decay, crime and hopelessness are markers by which U.S. based societies function. They are the cornerstones of U.S. political triumph. To allow Iraq to regain any of its former wealth, to allow its population to organise, to allow any freedoms beyond the great monetarist freedom "the freedom to starve" (Alfred Sherman) will never happen.


Iraq, like the Soviet Union, has to be returned to its rightful place, the third world. In doing this the population will never be able to act in any way that is independent of U.S. power. Certainly they will never be able to create societies that can then create governmental systems that can act on their own.


So, Saddam ("he was beaten by his father teaching him the power of violence," BBC News 24) will eventually be killed, by tribunals set up last week. These tribunals have the power of the death penalty although they have no basis in legality. US appointed Iraqis, like the embezzler Chalabi still wanted for extradition to Jordan, will kill Saddam. Their tribunals have no basis under any previous or current system. But as GW Bush said last week "oh, international law, well, let me call my lawyer." He then laughed.


So, then what? Will the attacks stop? It is doubtful. From all the reports coming out of Iraq those who thought Saddam would return to power are few, those who would fight to see him re-instated are even fewer. But there are many many people who regard the U.S. as invaders. Nationalists, ethnic separatists, communists, religious fundamentalists, the Kurds and more. If even 1% of the population would either actively participate in armed violence or be accessories to it that is 280,000 people the U.S. are going to have to kill or lock up. That is not going to happen either. And 1% is what they call a conservative estimate.


So we are going to see a country called Iraq, returned to the sand from which it was built. We shall see the country propped up by crime warlords, drugs and embezzlers like the other U.S. allies in the region. The majority of whom have oil to find and heroin to sell. After all that is another marker of U.S. societies, appointing the right people involved in the drug trade to power. We shall see the religious right rise and we shall see secularism, tolerance and compassion go out of the window. Just have a look at Afghanistan, or for that matter Haiti, the Philippines, Indonesia or Colombia. The empire of pimps.


But the big problem for this U.S. administration is that it is obvious what is going on. The Achilles heel of the Bush2 government is that they are too honest, too 'out there'. Doing the 'crazy American' thing, as first marketed by Ronald Reagan. They hate international law, they hate foreigners, they really despise sand niggers (unlike their own niggers they are not frightened of them) and they don't care if you buy and sell smack and opium as long as you do what you are told. In a year or twos time (for they will be re-elected) when they are still bombing little brown children playing in fields, still beating to death brown prisoners in custody, still shooting up brown babies at checkpoints, still getting the odd soldier popped off, still appointing embezzlers and crooks and still starting to plan the invasion of Iran ("Saddam abused this country…he attacked his neighbours" Paul Bremmer) what excuses are they going to make then?


It's the fault of Clinton? Or the permissive society? Arabs don't understand democracy? It's the French? It's Chinese televisions? It's European steel? He was coming straight at us? That the turkey deliberately plasticated itself?

(Adam Porter)
 
Damnit man! Why must people continue to ruin this for us? Yes it does matter! And Iraq was a third world country with Saddam in office too! Stop making us look like the bad guys for once! Try and see it our way! Yeah look at Afghanistan. It's in a transition. Things can't happen at the click of the finger! So have some patience, or stop f***ing complaining that this is all our fault!
 
France says they want to help now. *Sighs* I would say something bad about France now, but I am too joyed with the recent headlines. I never thought the day would come, or at least, I never thought we would've got him alive. So all I will say is, if France decides to tag along, then welcome aboard.
 
Wooz69 said:
intere$t$

VERY subtle. -_-


The war will probably continue so long as we have terrorists coming in through Syria and Iran. Though some of the Saddam loyalists may give up now that they've lost their figurehead. Any remnants of the Ba'ath party no longer have anybody to call a leader. Being disjointed and headless they may just blend in with the rest of the Iraqi populace and live on.

And no, we can't just kill Saddam. He knows too much to just hand him over to the Iraqis yet. We'll just squeeze whatever information we can out of him and then turn him over to the Iraqis.

I also liked the beard, by the way. Very stylish.
 
Your Right.. We cant kill him.... Maybe we could do somthing just as bad if not worse... we can sell the rights to saddam to Interplay.
 
Brady wrote:
Wooz69 wrote:
intere$t$


VERY subtle. -_-

wtf?

Brady wrote:
some of the Saddam loyalists may give up now that they've lost their figurehead

Dunno. I think it's a bit more clever. First of all, the loyalists can always claim the US caught the wrong saddam, no matter how many DNA proofs are published in the "infidel western media". Anyhow, even if the "saddam" cult dies, there will always be another leader popping out, as long as the people of a given society want one. Remember Iran?

And King/Solo: Jokes/flames apart, Could you possibly concieve for a fraction of a second that the world is NOT divided into "good guys" and "bad guys"? Anyways, it's my right to complain about whatever I want. If you had read carefully my posts, you wouldn't be repeating your "it can't be done in a click, if you're scared of the ride stop whining" mantra. Also, cursing doesn't help.
 
Wooze.... would you care to explain to me your avatar.... maybe my eyes are going bad but that looks like some dumbass burning the flag i took a solemn oath to protect..
 
Actually, I had the same discussion on another thread, a month ago or something.
Elissare, Your eyes aren't wrong. It *is* "a dumbass" burning the flag you took an oath to protect.

I don't care explaining it though, although I'm afraid it could send the thread off topic...

The basic idea is that IMO taking oaths to protect flags is just plain dumb. A flag, a "nation", nationhood are ideas that deny mankind's unity. Crappy symbols to give people pretexts for slaughtering each other.

Don't take it personally, the american flag is not the only stupid symbol out there. It could be any country's flag or any religious symbol. It's not against the people that identify themselves with a given icon, but with the icon idea itself.

Now, does my avatar *really* disturb you or labelling me a dumbass and hating me from now on will do?
 
Actually, it really does disturb me. I've got nothing against you personally, but i firmly believe that images like that are just assanine and only help to breed hate.

Like I said, you seem pretty cool to me, but IMO Images like that, of any flag or religious symbol serve only to further seperate one group of people from another.

I'd consider it a favor if you could change it. If not, i guess i just grin and bear it..
 
IMO Images like that, of any flag or religious symbol serve only to further seperate one group of people from another.

Well, actually the whole idea of the avatar was denying symbols that divide people. Since it seems to have the exactly opposite effect, it's useless...

There, there ;)
 
If only we could use some form of torture. I hear the Chinese water torture is pretty effective. I say we go ahead and use that form of torture. It doesn't really hurt anyone. Anyhow, let the Iraqis deal with Saddam, not some international war crimes tribunal. I mean, are we going to let France, Germany, and Russia get in on this? Sure, now that there is some good news, and we tell them they can't have the oil, they say they're pissed. Then Saddam gets caught, and they say they're sorry. Blagh! Oh and Wooz, I was upset because everytime something good happens to America, a bunch of foreigners and anti-americanists say that it was all a bluff/propaganda/stupid. They tell us so what. That's why I was upset. Can't you just let me enjoy it for a little bit before putting me and my country down. Saying it was meaningless? C'mon man! If it was you, I would let you savor the moment. And may I ask what you would like to complain about? And no offense Wooz, but you are really good at taking everything we take in heart and our joy, and ripping it to shreads while trying to justify your point of view and saying ours is wrong. Why the anger man?
 
There are more effective ways than mere physical torture. Blocking his production of seratonin for example will make him emotionally unstable and more likely to give information.
 
I say we just cover him in honey..







then hog-tie him and place him on a fire-ant's nest.
 
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