Scenery stuff and such...

[Ravager]

There are more than one functional car in Fallout (2). But you just see one in the game and the one you see is by far not in a bad condition, rated by the visual.

Also that there is only one working car in the whole Fallout universe is a common misbelief. Avellone wrote in the Fallout Bible about it long ago:

I am aware of that, but as you can see there are a lot of wrecks out there that won't run again. A car can't look like a wreck or else it won't run.

The Power Armors don't really stretch bones or anything. Their simply large armors with hydraulics systems and advanced electrics which help your physical strength. The power armor is simply a machine, a tank suit.

There's a distinct difference between being larger (bulky) and stretching your body. Compare both normal critter and PA:

It's clearly visible that arms and legs are much longer. It's nothing more than larger version of default critter, powered by the same animations. If this was a normal human then all his bones would be re-sized, and finally broken to fit into the suit. Is this possible in real life conditions? No. You'd die very quick in painful death. So the PA isn't larger because of hydraulics systems and advanced electrics, but because of camera, which is "zoomed in".

The rusty stuff is fine, but is it fitting as a car that runs? Nope.

Car that runs must look like some shiny Ferrari? You're totally wrong. Also, how much rust you can see there? Not much. Mostly metal-ish plates are covered by it. The rest quite fine, just some rust here and there.

Right...................................... let me fix that for you. Just need to get in to a editor.

As for the moment I guess I could only compare the power armor to the one used in Jin Roh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHDKwMlspHE

It dosen't stretch you. Your just in the middle of it. It's massive, use the vault suit for it.

Or even better!

See the size? A guy in combat armor and power armor?

 

[Lexx]

I am aware of that, but as you can see there are a lot of wrecks out there that won't run again. A car can't look like a wreck or else it won't run.

So what's the problem then? The Highwayman doesn't looks like a wreck.

 

[Ravager]

I am aware of that, but as you can see there are a lot of wrecks out there that won't run again. A car can't look like a wreck or else it won't run.

So what's the problem then? The Highwayman doesn't looks like a wreck.

I only meant the edited car he made. Like I said not that it matters much just that it's too much like a wreck then a functional car.

 

[Lexx]

Well, it's just the optic. In Mad Max, some cars have been looking junked too, still they could drive and this very good.

 

[Ravager]

Well, it's just the optic. In Mad Max, some cars have been looking junked too, still they could drive and this very good.

Mad max was a movie. They key parts like engines and others where in a good condition.

I figured I post this question here instead of the vanburen thread, even if it's car related.
So, I made this 2CH charleston of the retrofuture for a mod of mine, but I need some help with ... the rust ! Cause it doesn't seem to have survived a nuclear war right now, so dear Mr Contie, tell us your secret, how do one paint rust on a car?




here is the model I used:

Ho, and do you still have those custom ground tiles around here? Promise, thats the last time I will harrass you for art, at least for now...

This would actually be a good car for Fallout. Just with a different wheel and a bit more destroyed red paint (but not necessarily I think it looks pretty awesome as it is). Since it dosen't have extreme rust. Which means the engine would still work after some fixing.

On the other hand a fully rusted automobile won't start or brake down after a short trip.

 

[Continuum]

As for the moment I guess I could only compare the power armor to the one used in Jin Roh.

Or maybe we will take a look at something from real life?

Hmm.... the size is correct, bulky, massive, but correct.

Another example, from game:

Also, PAs in Van Buren, FOT, and Fallout 3 have a size similar to normal human. Only crap from Fallout/Fallout 2 is abnormal.

It dosen't stretch you. Your just in the middle of it. It's massive, use the vault suit for it.

Here I quickly split Ian to fit into the suit:

Oh noez!

See the size? A guy in combat armor and power armor?

Put him to stand pose!

Mad max was a movie.

Just like Fallout is a game, where a lot of stuff is exaggerated, unrealistic and far away from real life you're talking all the time.

They key parts like engines and others where in a good condition

How to hell you may know that engine is in bad condition? It's not visible.

Since it dosen't have extreme rust.

Where the fuck do you see extreme rust

On the other hand a fully rusted automobile won't start or brake down after a short trip.

Indeed, because of some dirt and rust you won't be able to travel longer distances, even if the engine, wheels - everything else is perfectly fine. You're watching to much F1, I guess.

 

[Ravager]

You don't get it do you? It's a suit. A thick suit.

There.

 

[Prosper]

Sorry Continuum, but Ravager is right. It is cool to come up with your own improvements, but don't impose them onto others please.

You could just release two versions of the model and let people pick if that makes you feel better.

Keep at it though! Always a pleasure to see effort being made.

 

[Lord Danath]

You don't get it do you? It's a suit. A thick suit.

There.

Actually, it's you the one that doesn't get it.

Nobody gives a shit about realism in Fallout.

If you want realism I suggest you turn your computer off and go outside, plenty of realism out there.

Sorry Continuum, but Ravager is right. It is cool to come up with your own improvements, but don't impose them onto others please.

You could just release two versions of the model and let people pick if that makes you feel better.

Keep at it though! Always a pleasure to see effort being made.

And why in hell would he release two versions when it's his work and he can do whatever he pleases with it.

Either you like and download it or you don't like it and don't download it, he's not "imposing" it on others as you stupidly state.

 

[Ravager]

Also a good example of an armored suit from GITS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8-Z5kOpDc

A person simply gets >IN TO< it like a shell.

Also if no one gives a crap about realism in fallout let's make the melee weapons deal more damage then bozar and make the minigun in to a flamethrower.

Sorry Continuum, but Ravager is right. It is cool to come up with your own improvements, but don't impose them onto others please.

You could just release two versions of the model and let people pick if that makes you feel better.

Keep at it though! Always a pleasure to see effort being made.

Yes I always thought making two types of textures would be a good idea. I love the model it's just the texture that dosen't fit in with the actual usefulness of such a car.

 

[Prosper]

You don't get it do you? It's a suit. A thick suit.

There.

Actually, it's you the one that doesn't get it.

Nobody gives a shit about realism in Fallout.

If you want realism I suggest you turn your computer off and go outside, plenty of realism out there.

Sorry Continuum, but Ravager is right. It is cool to come up with your own improvements, but don't impose them onto others please.

You could just release two versions of the model and let people pick if that makes you feel better.

Keep at it though! Always a pleasure to see effort being made.

And why in hell would he release two versions when it's his work and he can do whatever he pleases with it.

Either you like and download it or you don't like it and don't download it, he's not "imposing" it on others as you stupidly state.

I gave him an easy way out. He does have the option to release two versions.

If he didn't care what we thought, then he wouldn't argue with Ravager and you wouldn't feel a need to defend him.

 

[Aphyosis]

A car can't look like a wreck or else it won't run.

That's not true. I can see many reasons for a dilapidated shell for a car in the FO games.

Working Engine and they throw together a chassis to mount it?

In all likelyhood they threw it together with shit they find lying around, as well as fixing it with said shit, so its hardly going to be chromed up.

If you really want to get technical, for the same reason Avellone mentions, a beat up rust bucket would be ideal. If it looks like crap, less people will think of jacking it.

It makes sense for it to look beat up. Besides, by your logic the external appearance dictates the condition of the motorized parts. That makes nooo sense by your argument that fallout's physics are realistic, considering that the condition of a car's mechanical's have absolutely no connection to the exterior in real life, meaning that car should be perfectly fine IF Fallouts physics are realistic.

Also if no one gives a crap about realism in fallout let's make the melee weapons deal more damage then bozar and make the minigun in to a flamethrower.

Game Balance and Practicality =/= Realism.

 

[Lord Danath]

I gave him an easy way out. He does have the option to release two versions.

If he didn't care what we thought, then he wouldn't argue with Ravager and you wouldn't feel a need to defend him.

I don't need to defend anybody as I'm pretty sure he can defend himself if he wants to.

Also, he's actually not arguing with Ravager but rather defending his own work which it's being bashed by people that should not be doing it.

After all I still have to see anything released by Ravager or by you that comes even close to the quality and amount of work that Conti has put into Fallout art.

Ravager wrote:
Also if no one gives a crap about realism in fallout let's make the melee weapons deal more damage then bozar and make the minigun in to a flamethrower.


Game Balance and Practicality =/= Realism.

Exactly this.

You really should know what you're talking about before hitting the submit button, it's not making you look smart.

 

[Ravager]

Like I said - if you don't want realism just make miniguns shoot flamethrower fuel or a car that uses plastic bags instead of tires. Or even a cut in half rusty engine that still works and makes a car go faster then the speed of light.

Oh and btw I want to see you make something oh high and powerful posters. You know I have a few threads - just take a look at them. At least I'm trying and I want feedback on them. You can even download some of it. Although nothing is finished. Perhaps if someone would finally help me scrip I actually would be done today.

And one more thing - the Highwayman is not rusty and it runs. Other cars are all rusted. Think about it. Why didn't the creators make it that way? Why did paint come off of it and everything and you see that it's old and battered yet not rusty? They could have made it that way... then why didn't they? It's not like they didn't have the time.

That's all I'm saying. If you still don't get my point well.... your beyond help.

 

[Aphyosis]

Like I said - if you don't want realism just make miniguns shoot flamethrower fuel or a car that uses plastic bags instead of tires. Or even a cut in half rusty engine that still works and makes a car go after then the speed of light.

Like i said - Game Balance and Practically =/= Realism.

If there was a point to having it, i'd be all for shit like that, as long as its in context.

There is a difference between a car using a plastic bags as tires (Read, there is no context or point to it within Fallout's universe.) and what Fallout does, which is twisting things to fit the game universe. (Read, there IS a point to doing something which fits the context of Fallouts universe)

Oh and btw I want to see you make something oh high and powerful posters. You know I have a few thread just take a look at them.

Your kinda tooting your own horn here man. I've seen your threads. What your making is irrelevant to the argument at hand. More power to you though.

And one more thing - the Highwayman is not rusty and it runs. Other cars are all rusted. Think about it. Why didn't the creators make it that way? Why did paint come off of it and everything and yet you see that it's old and battered yet not rusty? They could have made it that way then why didn't they? It's not like they didn't have the time.

They only felt the need to make one model for a car the player could drive?

The designers liked the color being silver?

Its really irrelevant that the designers made the highwayman rust free. Avellone himself said there's other car's out there, although with the following clarification;

even "the local clunker" wouldn't be up to factory specs

Therefore, one of the DESIGNERS is saying a lot of the vehicles are piles of junk that barely run. Hardly helping your argument that for the cars to work they have to be spic and span!

That's all I'm saying. If you still don't get my point well.... your beyond help.

Your point is an opinion. One you have repeatedly contradicted over the course of this thread. Not buying your argument's doesn't really make me beyond help.

 

[Continuum]

You don't get it do you? It's a suit. A thick suit.

No. You don't get it. Normal, not stretched human will not fit into this suit. Just look what happened with Ian.

I gave him an easy way out. He does have the option to release two versions.

Oh man, you're soo smart. I wanna to take the same pills as you.

Also, don't you need to register at CGtalk? I've heard rumors that they want to make an interview with you. Go there, register and show them your beautiful work, I want to see their jaws dropping!

And one more thing - the Highwayman is not rusty and it runs. Other cars are all rusted. Think about it.

And who said that not rusty cars can't run? Also, who said that rusty cars can't run? You? And your opinion MUST be a fact?

Why didn't the creators make it that way?

Yep, the same creators, who filled the game with tons of lulzy, retarded stuff, and made silly as fuck. Good point

 

[Lord Danath]

Like I said - if you don't want realism just make miniguns shoot flamethrower fuel or a car that uses plastic bags instead of tires. Or even a cut in half rusty engine that still works and makes a car go faster then the speed of light.

Oh and btw I want to see you make something oh high and powerful posters. You know I have a few threads - just take a look at them. At least I'm trying and I want feedback on them. You can even download some of it. Although nothing is finished. Perhaps if someone would finally help me scrip I actually would be done today.

That's all I'm saying. If you still don't get my point well.... your beyond help.

Do you even read what other people post before you spout your random nonsense?

Really it's not funny, actually it's quite pathetic.

Also neither I nor any other poster has to show you something to prove the point, that's because no one of us is bashing Conti's work unlike you.

(It's not polite and neither does it make you look smart to bash the author of something in his own thread if you can't make it better.)

Afterall it's not the first time you do this. You already bashed .Pixote.'s work before.

And as for us not getting your point: It's because you are not making any.

I think you should take your own advice as it seems you are the one that's beyond help here.

Edit: Arghhhhhhhh. Aphyosis and Conti beat me to it.

 

[Continuum]

Just look how sexy (100% Fallout-y) this damage is looking:

 

[Lexx]

I want to marry this damage and make lots of children with it. <3

 

[Ravager]

The Power Armors don't really stretch bones or anything. Their simply large armors with hydraulics systems and advanced electrics which help your physical strength. The power armor is simply a machine, a tank suit.

There's a distinct difference between being larger (bulky) and stretching your body. Compare both normal critter and PA:

It's clearly visible that arms and legs are much longer. It's nothing more than larger version of default critter, powered by the same animations. If this was a normal human then all his bones would be re-sized, and finally broken to fit into the suit. Is this possible in real life conditions? No. You'd die very quick in painful death. So the PA isn't larger because of hydraulics systems and advanced electrics, but because of camera, which is "zoomed in".

The rusty stuff is fine, but is it fitting as a car that runs? Nope.

Car that runs must look like some shiny Ferrari? You're totally wrong. Also, how much rust you can see there? Not much. Mostly metal-ish plates are covered by it. The rest quite fine, just some rust here and there.

That's it! I don't give a crap about the car anymore! Give me god damn proof that the T-51b actually stretches your limbs? Common don't show me that that crap with 2 images that where put on each other. You didn't even put on the right model like this one:

Or:

Give me some actual proof from for example the Fallout Bible or some other source that states clearly:

"The power armor has no hydraulics nor is it massive. It has also no battery. It just stretches your bones and muscles lolz"

Common. I already said that:

"The armor is fitted with a back-mounted TX-28 MicroFusion Pack which generates an output power of 60,000 Watts to power the HiFlo hydraulic systems built into the frame of the suit. Made of a poly-laminate composite, the outer shell of the T-51b is lightweight and capable of absorbing over 2500 Joules of kinetic impact. The 10-micron-thick silver ablative coating can reflect laser and other radiation emissions without damage to the composite subsurface. The armor usually carries enough fuel to last for one hundred years."

As if it wasn't obvious, but hell you know better right?

Anyway I'm not going to argue about this pathetic stuff any longer. It's simply beneath me. Ask someone else who loves Fallout and tell them that those armors actually stretch the body. Let's see what they have to say. You make some really great art and everything, and I respect what you do. I'm not forcing you to make another skin either just giving my honest opinion of what I have observed. As for me I'm gone. I have a gf who has need of me and after that I have to make a pump action shotgun for my mod. So

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ygeQLRPK7gY

Bye, bye (for now).