Science and lockpicking

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Sublime, Jul 20, 2019.

How should these two skills work in a future installment?

  1. Only by meeting the required criteria (a certain amount of skill for a certain lock)

    7 vote(s)
    35.0%
  2. Skill level + dice roll

    10 vote(s)
    50.0%
  3. Skill + minigame

    3 vote(s)
    15.0%
  4. Minigame only

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Other (specify please)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Explosives

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Sublime

    Sublime It Wandered In From the Wastes

    179
    Jun 5, 2018
    Yeah I know Bethesda doesn't give a fuck, but let's discuss just for the sake of discussion
     
  2. Richwizard

    Richwizard So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
    Orderite

    Jan 18, 2010
    I want an explosive option.
     
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  3. Sublime

    Sublime It Wandered In From the Wastes

    179
    Jun 5, 2018
    Done
     
  4. NMLevesque

    NMLevesque Commie Ghost

    617
    Jul 2, 2016
    If the minigame was purely abstract, and something that I'd play on its own then I'd reconsider. I do like also having an explosive option, but mostly I don't want to screw around with poorly designed nonsense or arbitrary success rates.
     
  5. Atomic Postman

    Atomic Postman Vault Fossil

    Mar 16, 2013
    Having it be a roll under skill dice roll would be the best, with difficulty modifiers applied depending on the lock. However this completely is destroyed by a save system so it would only work in some sort of iron man no save scum mode.

    To that end, the straight skill check pass and then minigame is I think the best alternative.
     
  6. Sublime

    Sublime It Wandered In From the Wastes

    179
    Jun 5, 2018
    Don't forget to cast your vote
     
  7. RIGHTLY

    RIGHTLY First time out of the vault

    9
    Jun 17, 2017
    I use a mod in New Vegas to make it skill level+dice roll and I much prefer it like that. Makes save scumming easier, sure, but I think the developer just has to trust the player not to do that.
     
  8. Kadscaner

    Kadscaner NMA’s only mutie

    308
    Feb 4, 2016
    this. if i have dynamite i should be able to get inside easier at a cost of the gear inside being more deterred.
     
  9. SquidVan

    SquidVan Literal Vampire Potbelly Goblin

    Jun 1, 2018
    Something I liked about Project Nevada was how customizable it was. You could turn on Explosives to have an alternate skill for lock pick for most locked objects. Then there was a second option to roll for a chance of damaging the items inside. It would check your explosive skill vs the lock level needed or something. I remember once I grenaded a toolbox or something and there was nothing inside. I broke it all.
     
  10. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    Science and lockpicking
    How should these two skills work in a future installment?
    1. Only by meeting the required criteria (a certain amount of skill for a certain lock)
    2. Skill level + dice roll
    3. Skill + minigame
    4. Minigame only
    5. Other (specify please)
    6. Explosives
    5. Blind rage. I'm serious. Last time I encountered a locked door, it took me 2 minutes to open it. I used my feet. The other people in the room were both scared and impressed. As they should be.
    7. Crowbar.Every 7-year-old could open a door with a crowbar.
    8. Drop it or kick it. A lot of machines aren't broken, the're just stuck.
    9. A lot of things are cold and refuse to work properly. Undress and make sweet love to them. It takes some time but it usually works?
     
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  11. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    Okay. Who the fuck has hacked into my account?
     
  12. Mr. Grandma

    Mr. Grandma This ghoul has seen it all
    Orderite

    Nov 3, 2007
    I deleted all the porn for you. Thanks would be the least you could say.
     
  13. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    Are you fucking kidding me? Okay. I guess I better choose a new password then.
     
  14. Mr. Grandma

    Mr. Grandma This ghoul has seen it all
    Orderite

    Nov 3, 2007
    Yeah there's lots of weird sales bots and shit on this website for some reason. More than there ever has been to the point it's kinda sad.
     
  15. Mr. Grandma

    Mr. Grandma This ghoul has seen it all
    Orderite

    Nov 3, 2007
    @Korin How's it goin on your end?
     
  16. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    That old password wasn't exactly something obvious. Someone with inside information did this. I demand to know who they are so that appropriate action can be taken. The rules are clear about this.
     
  17. Mr. Grandma

    Mr. Grandma This ghoul has seen it all
    Orderite

    Nov 3, 2007
    I'd check your phone and computers for background running keyloggers.
     
  18. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Half-way Through My Half-life

    Nov 26, 2007
    Nahh... developers can do better than that, they can store the skill roll result with a timestamp, and use it for so long as the game is running; surviving reloads because future rolls would use the [post-dated] time-stamp value (within a certain duration)... unless the game is completely shut down first.

    *In practice this would mean that reloading and re-trying would repeat the value of the roll because of -when- it was taking place in the game_time... until after a specified amount of time has elapsed. The player would get a new random roll after that.... and that delay could be seconds or minutes before a failing roll would have the chance to re-roll—and possibly fail again. :twisted:

    **This wouldn't stop the player from new attempts; new attempts would be past the time stamped previous attempt, but would come with the new risk of jamming the lock.

    ***Jamming the lock could be saved the same way, and always result in a jam for immediate reload attempts. :hide:
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2019
  19. necrosis

    necrosis First time out of the vault

    36
    Jan 13, 2020
    Skill level + dice roll.
    I hope the future installment will retain the RPG elements that were lost in 4.
     
  20. alec

    alec White heterosexual male Orderite

    May 21, 2003
    I'm still 100% sure I never wrote that.