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Tagaziel said:
They could blow it up and then say it hit a tree?
Public said:
I have no idea. I'm not the one saying they did it, I'm asking if anyone thinks that.
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They could blow it up and then say it hit a tree?
I have no idea. I'm not the one saying they did it, I'm asking if anyone thinks that.
maximaz said:
No tangible benefits.
Ausdoerrt said:I wonder how long it is before everyone goes "oh noes the Russians shot it down!" Not that this isn't a possibility... If there's a good-sounding conspiracy theory, I might even believe it. The Russian gov't is ebil, after all
That's insane. If you have any questions about whether or not your viewpoint is a healthy or paranoid one, the fact that you're even considering this is your answer.
Ylenard said:
Yes, because whether or not their war with a NATO member is successful completely depends on that smaller nation's military staff.
Ylenard said:
And now they'll have elections soon. If the intention is to make pro-Russian parties the most dominant, this would be a hideously stupid way to do it.
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Tagaziel said:
That's a completely different issue. I'm just saying that they'd have no problems downing a plane secretly if they wanted to. I don't see why they would or what they could get out of it. I only wondered if there were people who thought this.
there are also people who believe Roswell saw some Alien crash or the Moonlanding beeing a fake. So yeah, I bet some people "think" Russians are responsible for that plane crash. People believe all sorts of stuff even when logic says otherwise.
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Crni Vuk said:
If this theory is as popular in Poland as the ones you mentioned are in the US, then it's pretty big.
It's not popular, thankfully.
Hey, El Presidente wants to land now and not be late! This is a goddamn presidential aircraft, land it or else!
But ser, i can't see a bloody thing. And there's no Instrument Landing System on this god forsaken airport!
Shutup and land, pilot.
Ok, here it g-BOOM.
Goddamn politicians always have to have their way.
They all have to speak in English through radio. And even if they did speak in russian, poles understand it pretty well. Do not land! is a simple enough command, when repeated.
But ser, i can't see a bloody thing. And there's no Instrument Landing System on this god forsaken airport!
Shutup and land, pilot.
Ok, here it g-BOOM.
Goddamn politicians always have to have their way.
They all have to speak in English through radio. And even if they did speak in russian, poles understand it pretty well. Do not land! is a simple enough command, when repeated.
Boris Yeltsin got his pilot into a similiar situation. Difference is, they landed.
Tagaziel said:
RC jamming.
MANPADS.
Chemical fog canisters.
Putin's awesome martial arts techniques.
Any combination of the above.
Really, I am expecting www.410truth.pl to spring up quite shortly.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Also, I think that Russians are apt at painting trees to be more green, but experiments to make them enlarge on demand failed miserably in the late 60s.
Plus, the trees might still be uncooperative those 70 years after Stalin weeded out all the cypresses to prevent assassins from hiding behind them.
AskWazzup said:
How about the analysis of a fellow Dutchmen?
I agree with AskWazzup, if you keep in mind that Lithuania only got their independence in 1990, and was attacked again one year later, it is obvious that Russia never agreed with letting former SU-states go. In fact, the only reason for the independence of many former SU-states being political pressure, it is clear that if allowed, they'd take back each and every one of those states.
They've always kept a grudge. Look what happened in Georgia.
Oh yeah, regarding the war in Georgia - when Kaczynski went there on an airplane, the pilot refused to land becaused the damn airport was under fire, despite Kaczynski demanding him to land. I guess if it wasn't for the pilot's common sense, we'd have our president killed a whole lot earlier. Of course that pilot suffered reprecussion afterwards, by the way.
That being said, Kaczynski just doesn't seem the kind of man that'd die. You know what I mean, his kind tends to last the longest, it's the influential, loved men who die in assassinations\crashes.
That being said, Kaczynski just doesn't seem the kind of man that'd die. You know what I mean, his kind tends to last the longest, it's the influential, loved men who die in assassinations\crashes.
Yeah, ones like Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq.
Grin said:
Oh totally! Let's ignore the fact that it's not Russia but the SU acting there, and also ignore how the SU wasn't yet dissolved during the January Events! Let's also ignore how it was Russia, Belarus and Ukraine who signed the Belavezha accords dissolving the SU and agreeing to keep its existing borders (a unique and - in hindsight - insane decision that caused a lot of the problems of the modern-day CIS). Then let's ignore how Jeltsin had enough trouble keeping the integrity of his own state during the early 90s, and had to make concession upon concession to semi-independent regions like Tatarstan.
Let's ignore all that!
And only then does your argument remotely start to make sense.
Grin said:
Totally! Russia's just poised and cackling to take over. It's not like they are just now recovering from 20 years of problems of political decentralization and the ensuing political and economic weakness, or that they have a lot more immediate concerns than expansions. Nah, they're big and bad and evil, they must be dying to invade their neighbours!
Or hey, here's an alternative: they're a big state that is unwilling to let the US hold significant influence inside their sphere of influence. Which is...exactly what every other big state in the world is doing right now. How would the US react if Russia made a missile defense shield treaty with Canada and Mexico? How would the US react if Russia starts a new military alliance and quickly signs all Latin American states? Werl? Yet somehow, when Russia is peeved because the US is clearly infringing on their political turf, they're the bad guys.
Grin said:
Yeah, look how they attacked the country after Georgia started bombing neutral zones and Russian government buildings in autonomous regions in an attempt of "national reunification". So evil.
Wait what?
Good analysis
Brother None said:
Heh. It's not like Napoleon or Hitler inherited politically stable economic powerhouses, yet somehow they were able to make quite a lot of ruckus across the globe.
That is to say that I do not believe Russia is in fact poised to strike ATM, but it is not uncommon in history of the world for internal unrest to be quelled by channeling the anger at an external foe. See what Stalin did there (not that I believe there is an equally insane leader as him sitting on an equally large pile of war resource right now anywhere near now). Just saying "It could happen here!"
That was published in Germany? You guys are dicks! (or you need Breslau and Stettin back really, really bad 
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Just don't let those pesky Russians past the Vistula. I don't read cyryllic script
)Just don't let those pesky Russians past the Vistula. I don't read cyryllic script
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Wow, that stings. I realize it's satire, but isn't it almost libelous to attribute that to two world leaders?