Shares in a U.K. oil company with interests in the Falklands have slumped


Fuck yeah! In several years, when Britain is a caliphate, the Argentinians will make another shot for the islands and fail against Britain's numbers, bolstered by jihadists from all over the globe, only to have America come in to save the motherfucking day!

I'm switching sides to the Argentinians now. This scenario is awsome. That, and I remembered that I have family in Argentina.
 
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Ok, first, whatever you are smoking, I want some.

Second, having a warship and a 1 soldier to 1 inhabitant ratio while the rest of the UK pays for it. All I'm saying is, you are welcome to spend it instead of spending it on other things all you want, it's all a taxpayer's choice, and I don't see how it affects you, you don't pay taxes in the UK. But hey, they are welcome to it if they think it's worth it. So far budget cuts and a stupid show of muscle with Russia has already taken away all naval support from the area. Another reason to celebrate.

This is why I advocate in building up more defense for Argentina, every bit the islands are more of a trouble than it's worth to the UK is a good thing. And it's not about greedy resources for us, it's a national cause, so it's worth every bit. I'm just curious on how much it's worth to the UK populance.
 
Actually it's worth a lot to the UK government, it would be seen as weak to forefeit the islands.

Why does Argentina want the islands? It's occupied by Brits and it's more prosperous than most of Argentina per person. (Yes the Falklands gdp per capita is 3 times, Argentina's.)

I think Argentina should focus on building up their economy and moving away from an agricultural based economy.
 
Why does Argentina want the islands?

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This is from the guy on the left of the picture. As you can undestand he had a first row view of the war. And this is a video from after the war:



Translation:

War is terrible. In war men die. Some times here there was people who didn't undestand that. But war is sometimes necessary, especially when it's just. Someone who doesn't deffend what's his doesn't deserve to have it. So, I think that after 150 years of patience this war was necessary. If a man walks down the street with his mother and a mob attacks her mother he deffends her beyond the possibilities of winning, loosing or if you have the means necessary to win, he must figth, and I think this was the situation.

And yes, since people keep asking me the same stupid questions I'm going to start reposting what I have already answered from now on.
 
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This is from the guy on the left of the picture. As you can undestand he had a first row view of the war. And this is a video from after the war:



Translation:



And yes, since people keep asking me the same stupid questions I'm going to start reposting what I have already answered from now on.

Your best argument about Argentina seems to be 'how much would the average briton want to protect the islands???' when in reality that is a stupid argument, Since the British people don't really care about bombing Afghanistan and having troops there either.

But the army does it, And if Argentina invaded the Falklands. Heck it wouldn't even be an invasion. It would be a small landing , Maybe. And then they would get forced back. and Britian would carve out a nice piece of land in Argentina.

Outgunned,Outrained and out-equipped , Please tell me how Argentina would win the war ?
 
You don't seem to put much tougth into you questions, so I'm not going to put much thougth into the answers. So let me put it this way: If you don't get it by now, you never will, no matter ho much explaining anyone tries to drill into that head of yours. It's an argie thing, and you are not part of the club.

We are patient, we'll get them back eventually, some say 20 years, with the last UN ruling maybe even less. And I'm not going to discuss invasion ideas because I don't want the British to get wise ;), and some of them are actually quite viable for Argentina, so no spoilers!

Since the British people don't really care about bombing Afghanistan and having troops there either.

Yes, I know, British are all a bunch of colonialist oppresors. And no, we are still not giving up on the islands.
 
We are patient, we'll get them back eventually, some say 20 years, with the last UN ruling maybe even less. And I'm not going to discuss invasion ideas because I don't want the British to get wise ;), and some of them are actually quite viable for Argentina, so no spoilers!
You can be patient all you want. But as long you don't have the economical, political and more importantly the military power to not only conquer but also keep the Falklands, you can repeat this "it is our promised land" till the stars fall out of the sky. You know, I even agree that your nation has the stronger claim here. But that's not the point. The thing is, all this nationalist rhetoric isn't going to get it back for you. The only realistic change that also works in the long run, as how I see it is by :
1. Argentina becoming a much stronger and politicaly a more stable nation.
2. improving so far, that the people on the Falklands, actually would welcome the change.
Or if Britain collapsed. Who knows what might happen in the future ...
At least the two first points, are very realistic in my opinion, considering the recent changes in Argentina. You want the Falklands? Win the hearts and minds of the people on it. And I promise you, you will get it MUCH faster, without military or wars.

So glad that at least the Germans, for the most part, have evovled away from this rhetoric. We said, fuck it, give Poland this piece of land, we started two world wars, and each one made Germany smaller. Took us some time to learn our lesson, but at least we did. Germany lost a quarter of it's original teritory from 1937.
 
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I like that you're calling Britain a bunch of colonialist oppressors even though you have the exact same interests in the islands and, a similarly imperialist history.
 
Your air force consists of imported aircraft, most of them old. Argentina has about 20 30 year old fighter jets and 12 ships. You have only two submarines with several poorly armed and equipped cruisers. The bulk of the Argentinian navy is confined to port because of a lack of spares and engine problems. It's extremely unlikely that Argentina would succeed in such an endeavour.
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And that info-graphic does not count the Hunter killer submarine. And half those 12,000 are Royal Marine Commando's, who are well trained, lethal and will fight to the death. The other half is normal infantry, who are still a major asset. One of those ships is a Type 45 guided missile destroyer. We can also easily deploy Trafalgar and Astute class nuclear submarines to the area, but such deployments are classified of course.
And British forces deployable within days are: HMS Ocean carrying Apache attack helicopter; a Destroyer; a squadron of Typhoon or Tornado fighter jets; Royal Navy land craft; a full battalion of infantry men.
Thats just within days. Maybe in a month we could have an aircraft carrier chug over, but by then it's most likely we would have been victorious.
Since 1982 we have been building a small fortress at Mount Pleasant, 35 miles from Stanley (East Falkland).
There are four Eurofighter-Typhoons permanently stationed at the RAF airfield.
These can be reinforced by further air-superiority fighters within forty-eight hours.
The Typhoons are also housed in hardened shelters, and such is the size of the airfield that runway-denial weapons would be unable to inhibit operations to any appreciable extent (especially since the Ottawa Protocols have banned the use of area-denial mines and the delivery systems are no longer operational).
Meanwhile the much underfunded Argentine Air Force is equipped with the ageing Skyhawk and Mirage and Israeli Mirage-derivative fighter-bombers.
These would be detected at long range by Falklands radar while the Typhoons would give them short shrift
A (Royal Artillery) Rapier battery would provide point defence of the airfield so any Skyhawk or Mirage lucky enough to evade the Typhoons’ air-to-air missiles would not be able to press home its attack.
It is inconceivable that the Argentine Air Force – even augmented by regional allies – could outfight the Eurofighter-Typhoon. We have poured huge quantities of the defence budget into the Typhoon these past 20 years.
And then the british went and murdered 323 sailors in one stroke. Just like that.
Are you referring to when HMS Conqueror sunk the General Belgrano? You were in an attack position. Your other ship, Veinticinco de Mayo was in the north, and our Admiral feared a pincer attack.
 
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Actually right now you have no ships and no submarines in the Malvinas, guess they were too expensive to be wasted there and needed somewhere else. And the rapier missiles were even less effective than a 40mm bofors gun in the last confilct. As for the typhoons any runway can be bombed and wrecked, as you did in 1983. And weapons can be acquired easely, yours will be more obsolete every year, we can acquire new airplanes any time in the future, it's not like we don't have offers. This was offered to us not long ago, and could had disabled your defenses whle putting down bombs on your runway at the same time, one SU-24 can carry 8.000 kilograms of bombs. Commandos prepping sabbotage before a main invasion force is deployed are just as effective and compensates for lack of technology. In modern warfare no fortress is impregnable, you better stop thinking in medieval terms.

So don't worry, we have patience, we have a lot of time to prepare an invasion plan, when we're ready we'll let you know, the hard way.

We are not going to attack while you are the strongest, we are not stupid. So in those tems your current deterrance is working, but that's not going to remain that way forever.

And by the way, you no longuer own the water around the Malvinas anymore, enough time we'll get the whole thing without firing a bullet. Doesn't mean we are not willing to fight for them though.

Time is not in your favor. Enjoy them while you got them.
 
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Actually right now you have no ships and no submarines in the Malvinas, guess they were too expensive to be wasted there and needed somewhere else.
There are 3 ships in the Falklands, and a Hunter Killer submarine. And you have seen what we can easily deploy in days, that includes a helicopter carrier and 2 nuclear submarines.
And the rapier missiles were even less effective than a 40mm bofors gun in the last confilct.
Several Argentine aircraft were shot down by the Rapier missile system.
Anyway, that does not matter because the Ministry of Defence are replacing them now with a new missile system, to cost £228 million pounds
As for the typhoons any runway can be bombed and wrecked, as you did in 1983.
Your bombers would not be able to get across to the runway without being shot down. How do you propose you would bomb and wreck them? The Typhoons would shoot the bombers down with their air to air missiles.
And weapons can be acquired easely, yours will be more obsolete every year, we can acquire new airplanes any time in the future, it's not like we don't have offers.
They wont be obsolete for a long time, and so can we.
Offers from whom?
This was offered to us not long ago, and could had disabled your defenses whle putting down bombs on your runway at the same time, one SU-24 can carry 8.000 kilograms of bombs.
Firstly, it was an offer, you are unlikely to get it, and the Typhoons are also housed in hardened shelters, and such is the size of the airfield that runway-denial weapons would be unable to inhibit operations to any appreciable extent.
About the SU-24's, the Russians said they might supply you with two. Its unlikely that'll happen, and they will be shot down anyway. In February 2015, Khibiny jammer's Russian manufacturer KRET' website claimed that Khibiny had not been installed on Su-24 fighter jets
Commandos prepping sabbotage before a main invasion force is deployed are just as effective and compensates for lack of technology.
That's just bullshit, they would not be able to get onto the beach. First of all the ships radar would detect them, and secondly they could not use a submarine because either the ships radar would detect that or our submarine would. Its unfeasible.
There are over 1000 British Army troops on the island, not just a convent like last time, and that includes Royal Marines. It would be very hard for them to do anything.
In modern warfare no fortress is impregnable, you better stop thinking in medieval terms.
Your air force consists of imported aircraft, most of them old. Argentina has about 20 30 year old fighter jets and 12 ships. You have only two submarines with several poorly armed and equipped cruisers. The bulk of the Argentinian navy is confined to port because of a lack of spares and engine problems.
Its impregnable to you.
I am not thinking in medieval terms. However you need to start thinking in realistic terms.

And by the way, you no longuer own the water around the Malvinas anymore, enough time we'll get the whole thing without firing a bullet.
How exactly? You own the water, it does not mean anything. You won't be able to get the actual islands.
Doesn't mean we are not willing to fight for them though.
You can try fighting for them, it won't go well for you.

The only reason your government makes such a fuss is to distract you from the state you are in. You just defaulted for the 8th time, and you have huge foreign debt (partly because of the last invasion).
“There is absolutely no chance of another invasion from the mainland,” says the recently appointed Secretary of State for Malvinas affairs. “We as a nation – the government, the senate, the house of representatives – have repeatedly stated that we do not seek a military solution
This one statement debunks the idea of a Falklands war 2
 
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See Ragemage this is fucking nationalism, maybe it meant something before the modern age but nowadays all it leads to is dick-measuring contests and fundamentalism.
'Nationalism is a silly cock crowing on his own dunghill.' - Richard Aldington
 
See Ragemage this is fucking nationalism, maybe it meant something before the modern age but nowadays all it leads to is dick-measuring contests and fundamentalism.
'Nationalism is a silly cock crowing on his own dunghill.' - Richard Aldington
First of all this is not nationalism, we are debating military capabilities, and secondly, if you don't like it, stay the fuck out of the debate.
 
First of all this is not nationalism
Is this not an example of nationalism? If Gonzalez were born anywhere else would he care about the Falklands? Would you care if you weren't born in the UK? Is this argument not entirely motivated by national pride?
So don't worry, we have patience, we have a lot of time to prepare an invasion plan, when we're ready we'll let you know, the hard way.
Not an example of nationalism apparently.
stay the fuck out of the debate.
Wasn't in the debate at all, if anything I was commenting on it.
 
Look, I'm not interested in convincing you on the feasabilities of an attack, if anything your arrogance and overconfidence will make you an easier target for when we are ready. Warfare is not as simple as a chess board "if I have this missile they cannot attack this, if I have this plane they cannot get trough here", nothing should had been able to reach your warship's array of deffensive weapons "in theory", yet our planes managed to sink a few of them and severly damage a few others. Also, 3 warships and a sub? At all times? Are you sure? And shouldn't those multi-million pound ships be deffending... I don't know, the actual British Isles instead? Are Malvina's sheep all that important to you? I guess we should be flattered we are able to keep the big UK at check forcing them to keep 3 warships and a sub near our coast at all times, even with our current diminished military. Imagine what will happen when we modernize, you'll have to park an entire carrier group down here at least.
 
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I seriously don't get why anyone even cares about the Falklands.
I mean, yeah, the brits need them because "oversea territories" means "we're still an important empire where the sun never sets", and the argies need them because it's close to them and they want to rub their faces all over them.
Needless to say, when you go to war over your piece of dirt again, I'll cheer for the Reaper.
 
At all times?Are you sure? And shouldn't those multi-million pound ships be deffending... I don't know, the actual British Isles instead?
That was an unacceptable fuckup, and now it is back to normal. You also must remember that those ships can easily be complimented by others within days.
Imagine what will happen when we modernize, you'll have to park an entire carrier group down here at least.
With the way your economy is looking you won't be modernizing for the next 50 years+. As I said you have massive foreign debt and just defaulted for the 8th time.
nothing should had been able to reach your warship's array of deffensive weapons "in theory", yet our planes managed to sink a few of them and severly damage a few others.
The biggest ship sunk in the Falklands was the Sheffield, and yes you did manage to sink some. However, since then our air force and navy has modernized and yours has not.
If you are interested, it looks like this:
Argentinian losses:
British losses:
We did pretty well to say the attack was unexpected and we had not prepared at all.

Look, I'm not interested in convincing you on the feasabilities of an attack, if anything your arrogance and overconfidence will make you an easier target for when we are ready.
Dude you really need to buy a stress ball or something instead of letting of steam at the British
Also, its unfeasible.

@Hassknecht if you have nothing to contribute apart from mocking the debaters then please don't bother.
 
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