Dr Fallout
Centurion
Bethesda retconned everything... mainly in the theme and fifties basis.
So what lore has Bethesda done gone fucked up?
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RangerBoo
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Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Does the vegetation count as a lore fuckup by the way? I mean, Fallout 1 and 2 largely took place in a desert and all but you could still find trees with almost black leaves on them and near the sea or near bodies of wate there were usually small green bushes. So like, while it ain't all green it still showed that life had continued, even if it got itself a nice shade of brown. But in Fallout 3 and from what I've seen of Fallout 4 it looks like everything's just dead. Charred trees still litter the woodlands. And I mean, vegetation moved on in the fucking desert. There is zero excuse for vegetation not to regrow like mad in a fucking woodland.
So is that a lore fuckup?
So is that a lore fuckup?
Dr Fallout
Centurion
No that's stupidity.
Well, Fallout 4 starts during fall, so it kinda makes sense that there aren't that many leaves on trees. Those trees that do have leaves have them bright red most of the time.
Fallout 4 is hella inconsistent within itself. The loading screens say that T-51 was the pinnacle of pre-war power armor technology, and yet T-60, also a pre-war design, offers much better protection.
Fallout 4 is hella inconsistent within itself. The loading screens say that T-51 was the pinnacle of pre-war power armor technology, and yet T-60, also a pre-war design, offers much better protection.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
It's kind of a small thing in comparison to what they've already messed up.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
I think a lot of people did.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
Why would it have spread at all?
In the West, it was like a town script, that was in use for several decade, and so anyone from the Hub had them; and eventually those they were in contact with in the surrounding settlements would have seen the use of having them. But it was a short lived necessity that was joked about and made light of in Fallout 2; and the established settlements had long since abandoned them for an official dollar. They would have been useless on the road towards the East Coast; and the East Coast is not the middle of the desert; they would have had something more sensible and less desperate as a currency.
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Dr Fallout
Centurion
It made sense because it was backed by the Water Merchants and merchants in the Hub overall, but randomly being currency? That's stupid.
shengar
First time out of the vault
You can't expect writer who keeps retconning their stuffs to know the basic of economy and currency.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
Assaultrons seem like one of the biggest retcons from this game. I was somewhat comfortable with the idea of Replicants in the Fallout universe, if they were developed post-war by a scientific powerhouse with nothing else to do for 200 years. The existence and deployment of Assaultrons seems very troublesome. There's also Vertibirds being pre-war and the existence of the T-60, which are all put under "Well they were prototypes deployed literally minutes before the war" as if that makes things any better.
My personal pet peeve, though, is the idea of fusion cores being required for Power Armor. I could understand the T-45, but the T-51b has specific lore detailing the fact that it is totally self-powered.
My personal pet peeve, though, is the idea of fusion cores being required for Power Armor. I could understand the T-45, but the T-51b has specific lore detailing the fact that it is totally self-powered.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
It's ignoring EVERY Fallout game yet.
Irwin John Finster
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Ancient aliens.
Someone got paid real money for this kind of writing.
Someone got paid real money for this kind of writing.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
Agreed... except... The lore stated that their power-supplies last 100 years, and I would bet that means 100 years shelf life, and not 100 years of active use; a little bit here, a little bit there.
So they should probably all be dead cores; and with no surviving original units, it's not implausible that the FO4 cores are makeshift-compatible parts that are not quite up to spec... (Whether or not Bethesda actually wrote that into an explanation for FO4; which I highly doubt.)
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Woah... a legitimate explanation? What's that!
I feel a number of the complaints in here are being nitpicky about art / gameplay decisions rather than actual lore stuff that they retconned. Let's stick to the legit retcon stuff that is actually shown to be story related / lore related rather than complaining that radscorpians are tougher now. The issue of the trees, while something I abhor them choosing to not implement, is just an art choice unless they have specifically discussed it as a factor somewhere.
Also let's be honest, not ALL retcons are bad. Sometimes a retcon can actually improve a story by cutting out bad things and streamlining ideas or allowing expansion. Bethesda has had some pretty egregious changes though.
Pre-war jet just flies in the fucking face of Fallout 2 and makes me wonder if the writers of FO4 actually went back at all to remind themselves of the events of that game. That is a change that pissed me off because it invalidates so much of FO2's entire storyline. Redding gets fucked, New Reno gets fucked, several key plotlines and characters are screwed up now.
FEV outside of west coast was just an excuse for their choice to not create many new ideas to make people feel it was still "fallout" a retcon of laziness but an important story change.
Aliens were basically because they couldn't separate the idea of the crashed UFO in FO1 as being an Easter egg instead of canon. I'm waiting for them to have a Dr Who crossover DLC because of the tardis. Now in all fairness, as dumb as aliens are is it really so much dumber than having actual ghosts in FO2? I don't like it, but I wasn't a fan of the ghosts either. Another actual story retcon, not sure how much older stuff it changed though.
All the shit with power armor is getting hard to keep track of. It was bad enough when FO2 introduced enclave power armor but at least they were careful with it, it wasn't super common and it had an explanation that didn't specifically go against previous explanations. Bethesda is flip flopping on this shit in their own lore changes.
Having not played FO4 yet myself I can't speak about Assaultron's/synths/vertibird stuff and how they may have changed the lore.
Also let's be honest, not ALL retcons are bad. Sometimes a retcon can actually improve a story by cutting out bad things and streamlining ideas or allowing expansion. Bethesda has had some pretty egregious changes though.
Pre-war jet just flies in the fucking face of Fallout 2 and makes me wonder if the writers of FO4 actually went back at all to remind themselves of the events of that game. That is a change that pissed me off because it invalidates so much of FO2's entire storyline. Redding gets fucked, New Reno gets fucked, several key plotlines and characters are screwed up now.
FEV outside of west coast was just an excuse for their choice to not create many new ideas to make people feel it was still "fallout" a retcon of laziness but an important story change.
Aliens were basically because they couldn't separate the idea of the crashed UFO in FO1 as being an Easter egg instead of canon. I'm waiting for them to have a Dr Who crossover DLC because of the tardis. Now in all fairness, as dumb as aliens are is it really so much dumber than having actual ghosts in FO2? I don't like it, but I wasn't a fan of the ghosts either. Another actual story retcon, not sure how much older stuff it changed though.
All the shit with power armor is getting hard to keep track of. It was bad enough when FO2 introduced enclave power armor but at least they were careful with it, it wasn't super common and it had an explanation that didn't specifically go against previous explanations. Bethesda is flip flopping on this shit in their own lore changes.
Having not played FO4 yet myself I can't speak about Assaultron's/synths/vertibird stuff and how they may have changed the lore.
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Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
I'm glad you're enjoying it.
And I am. Damn amusing to watch a small number of man-children cry endlessly about the "glory days" of a series who's very quality is every bit as debatable as the company. who now owns it and who have to mindlessly complain about every single change that's made regardless of the quality of the changes.
Those same disenginuos people then claim it's the Bethesda fans that are rabid and. illogical. Wreaks of comical hypocrisy.
Those same disenginuos people then claim it's the Bethesda fans that are rabid and. illogical. Wreaks of comical hypocrisy.