Some Chris Avellone shenanigans on twatter

[Hardboiled Android]

Elon Musk liking New Vegas makes me like the game less

And of course Musk would never do it - obvious silliness aside, he's buddy-buddy with Todd Howard.

 

[Walpknut]

Don't worry, billionares liking media that directly criticizes them is normal, Bezos and Musk like Parasite, Bezos is a massive fanboy of The Expanse and so forth. Just assume they are the "wow cool wasteland" meme.

 

[The_Proletarian]

This is awesome!

Would certainly be nice to see it with an engine other than Gamebryo.

One dev likened working with Gamebryo as being given a giant wooden block and a chisel and being told you can make any game you want with it

The dev was later found dead, half of him pinned beneath a giant wooden block and a chisel through his skull

 

[Millim]

If this leads to Chris spilling everything about the engine And what it's like Working with Bethesda, i'll be okay with that.

Saying this however, it seems he is aware that the allegations have hurt his career, so it seems he'll rather just burn every bridge he had

Part of me finds that entertaining, but another part of me is disapointed, especially given his track record of some things

I dunno, ome problem I've always had is that outside of gaming, he comes across as an edgy 15 year old redditor. And While that's fun And entertaining, i'm not sure where it's going to lead

 

[Norzan]

I doubt he wants to work with Bethesda ever again, so i'm not surprised he's taking jabs at them.

 

[Mr Fish]

Even if it is a bonus Bethesda did screw Obsidian over when it comes to that, the game wasn't in a launching state and should have been delayed so that they could work on the bugs but forced it out anyway, leading to reviews rating it poorly due to the massive amount of bugs which in turn lead to not meeting the criteria for the bonus.

 

[Risewild]

Even if it is a bonus Bethesda did screw Obsidian over when it comes to that, the game wasn't in a launching state and should have been delayed so that they could work on the bugs but forced it out anyway, leading to reviews rating it poorly due to the massive amount of bugs which in turn lead to not meeting the criteria for the bonus.

To make things worse, Bethesda was the one responsible for QA of New Vegas.
But let's be honest, the biggest problem was that Obsidian's leadership signed the contract that explicitly said they only had 18 months to make the game. You can always count on Feargus to do the wrong business decisions.

 

[Lexx]

QA doesn't fix bugs, they just point them out and provide steps to recreate them. It was up to Obsidian to fix them in time.

That said, with enough critical bug reports, Bethsoft should have delayed a release.

 

[Risewild]

QA doesn't fix bugs, they just point them out and provide steps to recreate them. It was up to Obsidian to fix them in time.

That said, with enough critical bug reports, Bethsoft should have delayed a release.

That's not the problem, the problem was that Bethesda pulled out the QA team (or at least shrunk it or something like that, it's not entirely known what really happened) after a while and the game stopped having proper QA being done to it.

This was the only bad thing Feargus ever let out about Bethesda in an interview. And he didn't even named Bethesda, he made it quite generalized, but the question was about why Obsidian got known for releasing buggy games, including FNV.
Since FNV was the last really buggy game they had released before that interview and how Feargus mentions that they now have to specify in their contracts with publishers just how many people and for how long they have to provide QA, it's pretty obvious that's because of Bethesda pulling something fishy on them.

EDIT: Found the quote:

Because of unusual situations like this, and the flak that Obsidian received for them, the studio now stipulates precisely the terms of QA in any contract they sign with a publisher.
Feargus Urquhart: “One of the things that we’ve had to learn to do is to actually, in our contract, to say the publisher must put this number of QA people on the game as of this date. And KEEP them on the game for the extent of, you know, from when the game is ready to be tested all the way through like a month or so after the game has been released.”

 

[Clown_Shoe_Prostitute]

I dunno, ome problem I've always had is that outside of gaming, he comes across as an edgy 15 year old redditor. And While that's fun And entertaining, i'm not sure where it's going to lead

100%.

I also think Avellone is really overblown as a whole-book writer -- he isn't good at it, flat out. A lot of his worldbuilding writing and intersectional character writing is top-notch. What he did for Prey was shit-hot and the similar stuff he did for NV was golden, but the man has a really shitty sense of tone at times and has a really bad idea of what people will take from his works. His sense of conveyance and message is absolutely fucked up and he really does come across as edgy. I know people like to blame the players when it comes to criticism of Dead Money and Lonesome Road's messages, but honestly those DLCs, directed primarily and written primarily off Avellone's back, simply do not tell the stories they want to very well. They're good stories, and good messages, but the conveyance of them is pretty weak.

As an example, Ulysses' dialogue is all you have to go on for Lonesome Road's plot, and, far be it from me to say something should be dumbed down, but unless you specifically think "This dude could be telling me complete bullshit" (which, unlike say, VTM:B, very few chars in FONV do, especially in the DLCs) you can easily be duped (as literally every reddit motherfucker has been) into thinking that Ulysses is the word of god, and not a total madman rambling his tinfoil hat theories down your ear.

As a person, Avellone seems kind of - if not very - unpleasant.

 

[Walpknut]

I have problems with Lonesome road but that sounds like the opposite of bad writing and more, in fact, dumb people needing to read more.

The Issues I have with Lonesome Road come more from the fact that Ulysses doesn't hold up well as a character with multiple playthroughs because he is always pissy with you eve if you side with Caesar or even if you agree with his views, which makes him come off more like someone with parasocial rage, like someone who hate follows a youtuber for years so it kinda makes me be less and less likely to spare him after the first time I beat Lonesome Road. Like, motherfucker just has a hate boner for me and he will literally cut his own nose if he thinks that will trigger me or some shit. Which is probably more to do with the scope limit with the DLCs, they even had word limit for all combined if I remember right.

 

[Mr Fish]

I've thought Ulysses was a shit character back when I first played the DLC when it came out. The way he's written it's like he's supposed to have something deep to say but all I hear is the ravings of a mad-man extended throughout an entire DLC. Like that's the sole point. Kill some stuff, listen to a cock-head, repeat until end. I haven't replayed the DLC in god knows how long. I think the problem with Ulysses is that you can't really side with him or that'd break the point of his story, so no matter who you're siding with he always has to spin it in some convoluted way to be the wrong choice. And he's talking about the place that got nuked as if it was some sort of amazing place which just pisses me off because of how vague it is.

Ulysses is trash and the trog reskins are trash lore too.

 

[Walpknut]

The Ulysses you hear about in Zion Valley and the Big MT is completely different to the one you find, and while you can argue that just shows his mental degeneration as a person and tragic, at the end of the day we still end up with 3 DLCs building up to a raging manchild that won't listen to anything you say and just likes the sound of his own voice.

 

[mustadiokeepsdying]

at the end of the day we still end up with 3 DLCs building up to a raging manchild that won't listen to anything you say and just likes the sound of his own voice.

Can we just be fair, I like the sound of his voice, whiny as he may be.

 

[Clown_Shoe_Prostitute]

at the end of the day we still end up with 3 DLCs building up to a raging manchild that won't listen to anything you say and just likes the sound of his own voice.

Which kinda sounds like how Avellone's gone on Twitter, doesn't it? And how he sounds in a few tracts of the Bible, venerated as it is. He brings up good info and stuff but there's a few passages where, on re-reads, I think "Dude just shut the fuck up".

 

[TorontoReign]

Legal document.

 

[.Pixote.]

Never trust a woman!!! Except for mum!

 

[Korin]

Yeah, anyone that thinks Microsoft will allow Inxile and Obsidian to make a Fallout game are fooling themselves.

Quote me here if it ends up actually happening, until then i'm gonna believe that it never will because why would it happen? From the casual perspective the brand is more associated with Bethesda than any other company.

I think one of the main reasons it could happen is because the Fallout brand is a cash cow and given how long it's taking Bethesda just to get around to TES6 (working on Starfield) it's unlikely we would see another Fallout game for another 10 years unless different studios did it. Fallout 76 wasn't even really a Bethesda main studio release, a lot of the work was done by studios in Austin/Dallas (formerly BattleCry Studios/Escalation Studios respectively) with a handful of main studio personnel. A New Vegas 2 wouldn't be a Fallout 5, it would be another spin off like 76.

 

[Morgan_]

Didn’t know that about 76 development. Don’t get my hopes up just for it to not happen.

 

[Korin]

Didn’t know that about 76 development. Don’t get my hopes up just for it to not happen.

Honestly I think most people don't actually know who works on these games anyway. People here are more likely to because it's a fan forum but the average person doesn't know the difference (or even care). I would say most people still think New Vegas was a Bethesda game because it has the logo on it.