*SPOILERS* Mr.House, NCR, Yus man, Or legion?

[Lanfear]

House's pipe dreams about space colonisation never really struck me as anything more than snake oil. It would be a foolish endeavour and a horrible waste of energy and resources even if he were to attempt it.

I would feel better about siding with him were he not so petty, but oh well, I guess all of the factions are somewhat petty.

 

[Ragemage]

House's pipe dreams about space colonisation never really struck me as anything more than snake oil. It would be a foolish endeavour and a horrible waste of energy and resources even if he were to attempt it.

I would feel better about siding with him were he not so petty, but oh well, I guess all of the factions are somewhat petty.

The thing with Mr. House though is, unlike the other factions, he actually has the technical know-how to back up his claims. He's the founder of RobCo. Every single robot we see in the game was made by his designs, from the Mr. Handies to the Securitrons. Those RepConn rockets we launch during "Come Fly With Me"? Also made by him, since he bought out RepCon fairly early on into his founding of RobCo. Which also means, if the RepConn tour is anything to go off of, Mr. House is responsible for a lot of space travel technology already. There's a lot of futuristic space gizmos in that tour, all made by him. If he could get us into space in 2077, he can get us into space in 2277. He's shown he pretty much knows how to colonize other planets through his creations at RepConn and RobCo. I trust in him.

NCR and Legion talk a big game, but they don't really show a whole lot to back it up with. NCR says they're the best because they're a stable nation, but as we see from a lot of pro-NCR npcs, the NCR is spreading itself too thin and will soon collapse if it bites off more than it can chew. The Legion will 100% collapse the second Caesar dies. Lanius proves that if you let Caesar die in-game and still side with the Legion. House backs up his game with actual proof that he knows what he's doing.

 

[Lanfear]

The thing with Mr. House though is, unlike the other factions, he actually has the technical know-how to back up his claims. He's the founder of RobCo. Every single robot we see in the game was made by his designs, from the Mr. Handies to the Securitrons. Those RepConn rockets we launch during "Come Fly With Me"? Also made by him, since he bought out RepCon fairly early on into his founding of RobCo. Which also means, if the RepConn tour is anything to go off of, Mr. House is responsible for a lot of space travel technology already. There's a lot of futuristic space gizmos in that tour, all made by him. If he could get us into space in 2077, he can get us into space in 2277. He's shown he pretty much knows how to colonize other planets through his creations at RepConn and RobCo. I trust in him.

Doesn't really matter how much expertise he has; it would be a ridiculous expenditure of very limited resources to attempt a space program in post-war Fallout. It could never pay off anywhere near as much for humanity as investing the same resources and effort into rebuilding on Earth. Unless there's a comet the size of Argentina on a collision course with Earth, or Sol is about to blow up, or whatever, the idea of travelling through space to start anew is just stupid.

 

[Dr Fallout]

I was kind of laughing how you expected him to be able to cow the NCR so instead of taking Vegas straight off the bat they had to leave it be with 30 securitrons. That's a crazy expectation, especially for the NCR. He has enough to help Freeside, if he has enough to make the NCR think twice. Also, you're making assumptions that securitrons will cure ills such as lack of water and food. Money will, and Mr House has shit tons of it, yet he doesn't share.

The thing with Mr. House though is, unlike the other factions, he actually has the technical know-how to back up his claims. He's the founder of RobCo. Every single robot we see in the game was made by his designs, from the Mr. Handies to the Securitrons. Those RepConn rockets we launch during "Come Fly With Me"? Also made by him, since he bought out RepCon fairly early on into his founding of RobCo. Which also means, if the RepConn tour is anything to go off of, Mr. House is responsible for a lot of space travel technology already. There's a lot of futuristic space gizmos in that tour, all made by him. If he could get us into space in 2077, he can get us into space in 2277. He's shown he pretty much knows how to colonize other planets through his creations at RepConn and RobCo. I trust in him.

NCR and Legion talk a big game, but they don't really show a whole lot to back it up with. NCR says they're the best because they're a stable nation, but as we see from a lot of pro-NCR npcs, the NCR is spreading itself too thin and will soon collapse if it bites off more than it can chew. The Legion will 100% collapse the second Caesar dies. Lanius proves that if you let Caesar die in-game and still side with the Legion. House backs up his game with actual proof that he knows what he's doing.

Bullshit. He's smart but I doubt he made every damn robot, otherwise the entire point of the company is pointless when you have one man. In fact the only thing there is any proof he made are the Securitrons. Everything else can be conceived by forgotten scientists and engineers he doesn't mention. Back in 2077 the space program was a failure, as seen by the lack of any positive improvements. If it failed in 2077 it can fail in 2277. His creations? Evidence? I actually never saw him as smart, just a pompous asshole who had the intelligence to get rich but not spearhead Humanity's return. He can't even fix problems IN HIS OWN CITY.

Actual proof? Examples please? NCR and Legion at least can back it up by creating a massive empire, massive armies, powerful trading companies and innovations in political ideas. Mr House? Securitrons and way to stay barely alive for a while. The strip was kickstarted by Mr House, it succeeded alone. Oh yeah, let's not forget Mr House's time of silence! Who made Vegas prosper? People like Benny, not Mr House.

 

[Izak]

Houses plans for space colonisation aren't some baseless pipe dream, House didn't buy Repconn for no reason and he knew the war was coming so it's safe to assume that he had similar plans to the Enclave (except not crazy) and, let's not forget that the Earth has run out of natural resources. Space colonisation is feasible and pragmatic if you want to build civilisation back to its former glory.

Bullshit. He's smart but I doubt he made every damn robot, otherwise the entire point of the company is pointless when you have one man. In fact the only thing there is any proof he made are the Securitrons. Everything else can be conceived by forgotten scientists and engineers he doesn't mention. Back in 2077 the space program was a failure, as seen by the lack of any positive improvements. If it failed in 2077 it can fail in 2277. His creations? Evidence? I actually never saw him as smart, just a pompous asshole who had the intelligence to get rich but not spearhead Humanity's return. He can't even fix problems IN HIS OWN CITY.

Actual proof? Examples please? NCR and Legion at least can back it up by creating a massive empire, massive armies, powerful trading companies and innovations in political ideas. Mr House? Securitrons and way to stay barely alive for a while. The strip was kickstarted by Mr House, it succeeded alone. Oh yeah, let's not forget Mr House's time of silence! Who made Vegas prosper? People like Benny, not Mr House.

Dude, Mr. House created RobCo single handedly and grew the company into a multi-billion dollar enterprise, he then created a machine that gave himself practical immortality and, turned the barbaric tribes of Vegas into legitimate power players, Benny wouldn't be able to do shit were it not for House.

 

[Lanfear]

Houses plans for space colonisation aren't some baseless pipe dream, House didn't buy Repconn for no reason and he knew the war was coming so it's safe to assume that he had similar plans to the Enclave (except not crazy) and, let's not forget that the Earth has run out of natural resources.

It's run out of fossil fuels. At the same time humanity has developed fantasy fission technology light years ahead of anything we in the real world can realistically expect to have, and there isn't actually any real reason for why people should have to depend on fossil fuels anymore.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Houses plans for space colonisation aren't some baseless pipe dream, House didn't buy Repconn for no reason and he knew the war was coming so it's safe to assume that he had similar plans to the Enclave (except not crazy) and, let's not forget that the Earth has run out of natural resources. Space colonisation is feasible and pragmatic if you want to build civilisation back to its former glory.

Hehehe... no seriously.
1. You need a shit ton of resources to even get a rocket to space. Imagine how much you would need to colonize?
2. You need light speed to colonize a habitable planet, otherwise we would have to wait... oh a century to get anywhere.

 

[Ragemage]

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When I say he made every robot I was referring to the design of every robot. Anyway:

The main reason House doesn't share his wealth is because, at that point, he has no idea if his plans will even succeed. He needs the Platinum Chip, and until he has it, he has to hoard and spend money to look for it and retrieve it. As Yes Man says, Mr. House spent more than 800,000 caps just LOOKING for the Platinum Chip in a single YEAR. He's been looking for it for DECADES. That's millions upon millions of caps going into just finding the damn thing. Of course he hasn't spent money on anything besides Vegas, he was spending it all looking for the chip so he could save the Mojave.

Example of House's genius you mean? Well how about the fact that he invented immortality essentially? And I don't mean the magical bullshit version like in FO4 with cryogenics or magic implants, but with actual science. His body may look like a shriveled raisin but his mind is still strong. He's done what no one else has managed to do, make himself unable to die through natural causes. I think that in of itself shows how brilliant he can be.

Let's also not forget he stopped almost all 77 of the nukes launched at Vegas with an INCOMPLETE nuclear launch system. The fact that it managed to shoot down most of the nukes when it wasn't even running at optimal level is very impressive to me.

 

[Lanfear]

He's done what no one else has managed to do, make himself unable to die through natural causes.

He can totally die through natural causes. He can't actually live unless he's kept alive by advanced robotics inside a giant iron lung for the rest of eternity. His biggest accomplishment is somehow not going insane. Though I suppose whether or not he's entirely sane is also debatable.

 

[Izak]

Hehehe... no seriously.
1. You need a shit ton of resources to even get a rocket to space. Imagine how much you would need to colonize?
2. You need light speed to colonize a habitable planet, otherwise we would have to wait... oh a century to get anywhere.

Hmm, that's a good point, he couldn't create a colony on a distant planet if everybody was stuck in immortality machines that turn them into lifeless husks, maybe he has a plan to colonize Mars or the Moon? Terraforming isn't impossible in the Fallout universe, he could do it if he had a GECK.

It's run out of fossil fuels. At the same time humanity has developed fantasy fission technology light years ahead of anything we in the real world can realistically expect to have, and there isn't actually any real reason for why people should have to depend on fossil fuels anymore.

Do we have any idea how those technologies work? Is it possible to manufacture those after the apocalypse, I guess it would be possible if you had the right facilities but I'm sure that there are still allot of resources on other planets that would be very useful to House (and others) such as uranium or rare metal deposits, those could justify colonization.

He can totally die through natural causes. He can't actually live unless he's kept alive by advanced robotics inside a giant iron lung for the rest of eternity.

That's still wildly impressive for a single man's invention, he can also still interact with the world through securitrons.

 

[Ragemage]

He can totally die through natural causes. He can't actually live unless he's kept alive by advanced robotics inside a giant iron lung for the rest of eternity. His biggest accomplishment is somehow not going insane. Though I suppose whether or not he's entirely sane is also debatable.

Okay, I should have phrased that better. As long as he stays in that machine then he's fine.

 

[Ragemage]

It's run out of fossil fuels. At the same time humanity has developed fantasy fission technology light years ahead of anything we in the real world can realistically expect to have, and there isn't actually any real reason for why people should have to depend on fossil fuels anymore.

Yeah but let's remember the RepConn rockets in "Come Fly With Me" don't run off fossil fuels, they run off nuclear power. We know this because of having to go get the fuel for it, and it's in abundant supply thanks to those toy Repconn rockets. Those managed to work just fine without oil. If it can be done with those rockets after they've been sitting in storage 200 years and they still work fine, it can be done with an actual space rocket.

 

[Dr Fallout]

When I say he made every robot I was referring to the design of every robot. Anyway:

The main reason House doesn't share his wealth is because, at that point, he has no idea if his plans will even succeed. He needs the Platinum Chip, and until he has it, he has to hoard and spend money to look for it and retrieve it. As Yes Man says, Mr. House spent more than 800,000 caps just LOOKING for the Platinum Chip in a single YEAR. He's been looking for it for DECADES. That's millions upon millions of caps going into just finding the damn thing. Of course he hasn't spent money on anything besides Vegas, he was spending it all looking for the chip so he could save the Mojave.

Example of House's genius you mean? Well how about the fact that he invented immortality essentially? And I don't mean the magical bullshit version like in FO4 with cryogenics or magic implants, but with actual science. His body may look like a shriveled raisin but his mind is still strong. He's done what no one else has managed to do, make himself unable to die through natural causes. I think that in of itself shows how brilliant he can be.

Highly doubtful, even Bill Gates doesn't do that. Mr House has never even said that anyway, and there's no evidence to support that.

Hoard money for what? Improving his self image? The thing is, if he succeeds he won't need that money due to being able to get much, much more. He doesn't even spend money ON Vegas. The closest thing we see for evidence are securitrons and signs. Everything else is ran by the casinos and business holders. Save the Mojave in a plan that won't actually work, just look at space programs and the cost now. The problem with his plan is that it's flawed, from the very beginning. The only way to save his ass is to start improving his city and surrounding area, not go on a wild goose chase for a chip.

He invented a prison basically. Though I admit, it's a nice achievement... if it was even good for a large group.

 

[Lanfear]

Do we have any idea how those technologies work? Is it possible to manufacture those after the apocalypse, I guess it would be possible if you had the right facilities but I'm sure that there are still allot of resources on other planets that would be very useful to House (and others) such as uranium or rare metal deposits, those could justify colonization.

They're magical supertechnology, they couldn't actually work at all. But it's possible to reuse depleted cells yourself in New Vegas, so I guess yes.

For sure it would be useful to mine resources in space, if it were feasible to do so without expending more resources to actually get into space, mine stuff, and return it to earth than the entire process would yield. But it would never be useful to try to turn an uninhabitable planet into an inhabitable one when we have an inhabitable planet right here. The Earth isn't somehow "dead" just because humans launched a bunch of bombs at each other; as I've said elsewhere, it's survived much worse treatment and more severe radioactive exposure in the past, before humanity even existed.

Yeah but let's remember the RepConn rockets in "Come Fly With Me" don't run off fossil fuels, they run off nuclear power. We know this because of having to go get the fuel for it, and it's in abundant supply thanks to those toy Repconn rockets. Those managed to work just fine without oil.

Good point. You don't even need fossil fuels to launch fricking rockets in the Fallout universe. So why do we need resources from space again?

 

[Dr Fallout]

Good point. You don't even need fossil fuels to launch fricking rockets in the Fallout universe. So why do we need resources from space again?

Oh that burn... except there's nothing to burn.

 

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Did you even read what I wrote? He had to hoard money because he was spending millions to find the Platinum Chip for nearly 200 years. We learn it from Yes Man, who is an infallible source because he literally cannot lie, and he has access to pretty much all of Mr. House's monetary knowledge thanks to being attached to Mr. House's security system.

The fact is that if he spent 800,000 caps in a single year just to look for the chip, and then kept that up through all the subsequent years, he's clearly loaded. And once the war between the NCR and Legion is over and the NCR start flooding back to Vegas, he'll have more money than ever before. What we see in Vegas population-wise won't be anything close to what we would say after the war is finally over and peace-time sets in.

Also on your point about House's 30 securitrons holding off the NCR from Vegas, that isn't the reason why the NCR avoid it. They have no idea what's inside the Lucky 38. For all they know there could be a nuclear bomb in there just waiting to go off if they invade. Why do you think that literally their 2nd main quest mission for you is killing Mr. House? Because you know what's inside the Lucky 38. Once you've been inside the Lucky 38 the mystery is gone, they know there's no super weapon shit and all that inside there now and they trust you to go in tehre and get the job done. Before that they had no idea of what was inside. It makes perfect sense to me they would avoid invading until they knew for sure. You're essentially their canary in the coal mine. If you don't understand that reference I can explain it.

 

[Ragemage]

Good point. You don't even need fossil fuels to launch fricking rockets in the Fallout universe. So why do we need resources from space again?

I never said anything about us needing resources from space? That isn't part of House's plan, his plan is to fix Earth, and if it can't be fixed, send us all to space. I assume this would be accomplished through his life-extending technology. He's had 200 years to sit in that iron lung, he says himself that he's come up with a much better way of preserving the human body, it's just too late to work on him now. So essentially he'll hook everyone up to newfangled immortality machines based off his old technology so they don't end up looking like shriveled raisins by the end of the trip, and send them to Mars with all the supplies they would need to colonize it. Most likely he probably wouldn't send humans first, he would send robots to sort of set the ground-work up. We know his Securitrons can build based off Vegas's walls. The Securitrons did that, not people. Once the robots set up what would be the start of the colony, the humans could come along and finish the job.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Did you even read what I wrote? He had to hoard money because he was spending millions to find the Platinum Chip for nearly 200 years. We learn it from Yes Man, who is an infallible source because he literally cannot lie, and he has access to pretty much all of Mr. House's monetary knowledge thanks to being attached to Mr. House's security system.

The fact is that if he spent 800,000 caps in a single year just to look for the chip, and then kept that up through all the subsequent years, he's clearly loaded. And once the war between the NCR and Legion is over and the NCR start flooding back to Vegas, he'll have more money than ever before. What we see in Vegas population-wise won't be anything close to what we would say after the war is finally over and peace-time sets in.

Also on your point about House's 30 securitrons holding off the NCR from Vegas, that isn't the reason why the NCR avoid it. They have no idea what's inside the Lucky 38. For all they know there could be a nuclear bomb in there just waiting to go off if they invade. Why do you think that literally their 2nd main quest mission for you is killing Mr. House? Because you know what's inside the Lucky 38. Once you've been inside the Lucky 38 the mystery is gone, they know there's no super weapon shit and all that inside there now and they trust you to go in tehre and get the job done. Before that they had no idea of what was inside. It makes perfect sense to me they would avoid invading until they knew for sure. You're essentially their canary in the coal mine. If you don't understand that reference I can explain it.

I did, and I found that a really bad reason for a plan doomed and he should know that. Also ever heard of religion? It might be all a lie, but ask a follower and it's the only truth. They're not lying! Just fun fact.

That he could have spent on helping Freeside, Westside, Strip and stopping the Fiends or other threats without the Chip. Yep, money he doesn't use on anything else. Exactly, more money he won't use. More population that will be poor, starving and without jobs.

Canaries were used to sniff gas in mines, if they died it meant there was dangerous gas leading to an evacuation. Yeah I know. So... he didn't use that whatsoever to improve Vegas in other ways? Wow, Mr House is a genius. But that's still very interesting, thanks for that.

 

[Lanfear]

I never said anything about us needing resources from space? That isn't part of House's plan, his plan is to fix Earth, and if it can't be fixed, send us all to space. I assume this would be accomplished through his life-extending technology. He's had 200 years to sit in that iron lung, he says himself that he's come up with a much better way of preserving the human body, it's just too late to work on him now. So essentially he'll hook everyone up to newfangled immortality machines based off his old technology so they don't end up looking like shriveled raisins by the end of the trip, and send them to Mars with all the supplies they would need to colonize it. Most likely he probably wouldn't send humans first, he would send robots to sort of set the ground-work up. We know his Securitrons can build based off Vegas's walls. The Securitrons did that, not people. Once the robots set up what would be the start of the colony, the humans could come along and finish the job.

Direct quote: "Give me 20 years, and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years, and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation." He tells you exactly what his plan is right there. And it's a plan that makes no sense to me. If he can "reignite the high technology development sectors" and pour a massive amount of energy into a possibly fruitless search for other planets to inhabit, then humanity would be better served by expending that energy on fixing what we already have on this planet, which is inhabitable.

Literally the only situation in which I can imagine his plan to have any merit would be if some massive extinction event had literally rendered the earth uninhabitable to humans. The Great War didn't, as you can see by the fact that it's possible for inhabiants of the Fallout world to walk around, breathe the air, farm the land and raise animals, so I'm unconvinced that House's big talk about space colonisation is anything more than meaningless rhetoric designed to impress the PC.

 

[Ragemage]

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First of all I am religious, so I take offense to that.

Second of all, I'm not sure if you've finished the game for Mr. House before, but he does clean up the Fiends. His Securitrons march into their territory and cleanly exterminate them all.

He didn't use money on anyone else because the Platinum Chip is of the utmost importance. Without it, Vegas is defenseless the second the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam starts. Vegas would be overrun in a matter of hours if he didn't have the chip. It's pretty much inferred by the various endings of the game that once House gets the chip, he's going to start using that money to benefit others. All of his money was funneled into looking for the Chip. Once he has the chip, there's no reason to assume he won't spend the money to start helping other people. He'll have millions of caps coming in after all. It would be completely stupid to assume he would simply hoard all that money for himself when he can't even use it. He's stuck in a tube. The chip took priority over everyone else. Does it seem petty? Maybe. But without that chip Vegas as an independent state is completely and utterly defenseless. The chip is needed to maintain sovereignty from NCR and the Legion.