*SPOILERS* Mr.House, NCR, Yus man, Or legion?

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House never mentions sending all humans into space. Earth has run out of resources essentially. We need new ones. Where's the best place for them? Space. What's the best way to acquire these resources? Build colonies on other planets, have these resources shipped back through trade convoys in space. Honestly given how terrible Earth is after the war, I feel like starting over in space would be the better solution, but maybe that's just me. I don't mean the whole planet mind you, send small colonies of humans to other planets to gather resources for home, eventually you have multiple "Earths" so to speak that can all trade, communicate, and interact with each other. With House's immortality technology mixed in with just about anything else he could create with unlimited wealth, I would imagine the trip to these other planets would be like a car ride on vacation.

Let's not forget that as long as your Courier has managed to crack the jackpot of the Sierra Madre, that unlocks the secrets of how to use those vending machines, through a voucher. Set up some of these on the space colony ships and basically no one would want again. With the right rigging those machines can make literally anything, even guns and ammo, as proven by terminals found around the Sierra Madre stating the military wanted to start using these.

Of course if your Courier wasn't able to crack the Sierra Madre and learn its best technological secret, then I could see how House's plan is fallible. But with those machines installed on every ship, able to make just about anything that can fit in it, it just seems foolproof.

 

[Lanfear]

House never mentions sending all humans into space. Earth has run out of resources essentially. We need new ones. Where's the best place for them? Space. What's the best way to acquire these resources? Build colonies on other planets, have these resources shipped back through trade convoys in space. Honestly given how terrible Earth is after the war, I feel like starting over in space would be the better solution, but maybe that's just me. I don't mean the whole planet mind you, send small colonies of humans to other planets to gather resources for home, eventually you have multiple "Earths" so to speak that can all trade, communicate, and interact with each other. With House's immortality technology mixed in with just about anything else he could create with unlimited wealth, I would imagine the trip to these other planets would be like a car ride on vacation.

It hasn't run out of resources, it's run out of oil - and I'm still not entirely clear on why we actually need more oil if we can generate enough energy via other means to put fucking rockets into space.

The whole space colonisation quote from House bothers me more the more I read it. Search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation? What's he going to populate them with, rocks? Because there'll always be more wrath and folly wherever people travel. Bah. I don't like House.

 

[Dr Fallout]

First of all I am religious, so I take offense to that.

Second of all, I'm not sure if you've finished the game for Mr. House before, but he does clean up the Fiends. His Securitrons march into their territory and cleanly exterminate them all.

He didn't use money on anyone else because the Platinum Chip is of the utmost importance. Without it, Vegas is defenseless the second the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam starts. Vegas would be overrun in a matter of hours if he didn't have the chip. It's pretty much inferred by the various endings of the game that once House gets the chip, he's going to start using that money to benefit others. All of his money was funneled into looking for the Chip. Once he has the chip, there's no reason to assume he won't spend the money to start helping other people. He'll have millions of caps coming in after all. It would be completely stupid to assume he would simply hoard all that money for himself when he can't even use it. He's stuck in a tube. The chip took priority over everyone else. Does it seem petty? Maybe. But without that chip Vegas as an independent state is completely and utterly defenseless. The chip is needed to maintain sovereignty from NCR and the Legion.

So you should know about that in the first place. And sorry if I have offended you, I can assure you I didn't mean to. What religion? And are you a fundamentalist of it?

I have, but he could have done that way earlier. Like, a lot earlier. It's not exactly hard for someone of his wealth.

Yet he still had a bucketload he didn't use anyway, even though he could have used that on other things. Also that's an insanely stupid plan, pour all your cash on something that might be on the bottom of the ocean or in the gullet of a Deathclaw. He has no information and yet keeps spending money on the HOPE he would find it. Mr House has to be better then that. Not really, if anything he makes it worse for freeside. He forces out the Followers because they threaten his rule, kills the kings if they make peace with the NCR (basically stopping NCR refugees and locals conflict which is a major problem) and in general doesn't change much. All he does is get rid of the faction threats. As I've said, that funneling crazy stupid. He's putting all his eggs in one basket, not caring about anything else until he gets his chip which may or may not be destroyed. It seems fucking stupid.

 

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It isn't just oil though. It's everything. Food, water, land, a lot of problems happen in these games due to the lack of them. Even in New Vegas, 200 years after the bombs fell, a lot of farmland and water are still polluted. Thankfully Lake Mead and the Colorado exist or fresh water would be extremely hard to come by in the game. Pretty much every other water source gives you that infamous +1 radiation from standing in it. Farmers in the game, from the NCR Sharecropper Farms to the Westside Co-Op, mention not being able to grow as many crops as they'd like due to radiation still seeped into the soil.

As for monetary resources such as gold and silver, those are also quite rare. When the NCR's gold reserves were destroyed by the Brotherhood of Steel, they never recovered from it. They still haven't recovered from it, nearly 20-30 years later, because there's no more gold to find. It's gone. Caesar has basically eaten up all the silver in the east in order to make his signature coin. (Denairii are made from pure silver)

The planet is tapped for resources, and in the areas it isn't, it's still struggling. Keep in mind that the OSI Labs in Camp McCarran mention that without Vault 22's technology, there's a very large possibility that a food shortage will happen in the next few years, resulting in famine. And this is in one of the most technologically advanced civilizations in the entire series. Even they have problems growing food.

 

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I'm Catholic. Fundamentalist is such a dirty word nowadays. I'll simply say I believe in the Bible and its teachings, and leave it at that.

It is hard to get rid of the Fiends though. Keep in mind even the NCR is having trouble dealing with the fiends and they're a superpower. In fact they're pretty much bottlenecked at McCarran because of the Fiends. House can't do it because, once again, he barely has the forces to occupy Vegas, much less send some of his very very small precious army of robots to kill some random druggies. Let's also not forget the fact he hates the NCR military. In his eyes he probably sees the Fiends as a good thing since they keep the NCR army away from Vegas. The second he wins Hoover Dam though, he does send a giant army to wipe out the Fiends. He couldn't do it before because there's barely enough securitrons before activating the Vault to patrol the 3 casinos on the Strip. Keep in mind House's Securitron presence is so small before you get him the chip that he doesn't even know the Omertas are planning to essentially blow up the Lucky 38 right out from under him. He didn't actually force the Followers out for me, but I will agree with you him slaughtering the Kings just for making peace with the NCR is completely insane. Honestly I blame that one on them having to rush to finish the game though. A lot of the ending slides don't really add up based on what you did. I feel if we had gotten the complete game, the ending would have taken into account if you became a member of the Kings, and that would influence House's decision. I doubt my Courier, who used his favor with The King to become a member, would just sit idly by and let Mr. House destroy his friends.

He didn't have a bucketload to use because pretty much every cent he had went into finding the chip. And you're right, I won't disagree with you there. It was fairly stupid of him to try and funnel all his resources into finding a single object, but the deal is, it paid off. He DID find it. And with it he plans to do amazing things. If House never found the platinum chip then yes, I would probably call him a complete fool, but in the end his patience paid off and he was able to rebuild his entire army, so long as you're willing to help him.

 

[Lanfear]

It isn't just oil though. It's everything. Food, water, land, a lot of problems happen in these games due to the lack of them. Even in New Vegas, 200 years after the bombs fell, a lot of farmland and water are still polluted. Thankfully Lake Mead and the Colorado exist or fresh water would be extremely hard to come by in the game. Pretty much every other water source gives you that infamous +1 radiation from standing in it. Farmers in the game, from the NCR Sharecropper Farms to the Westside Co-Op, mention not being able to grow as many crops as they'd like due to radiation still seeped into the soil.

As for monetary resources such as gold and silver, those are also quite rare. When the NCR's gold reserves were destroyed by the Brotherhood of Steel, they never recovered from it. They still haven't recovered from it, nearly 20-30 years later, because there's no more gold to find. It's gone. Caesar has basically eaten up all the silver in the east in order to make his signature coin. (Denairii are made from pure silver)

The planet is tapped for resources, and in the areas it isn't, it's still struggling. Keep in mind that the OSI Labs in Camp McCarran mention that without Vault 22's technology, there's a very large possibility that a food shortage will happen in the next few years, resulting in famine. And this is in one of the most technologically advanced civilizations in the entire series. Even they have problems growing food.

I don't know what your source is on the precious metals - but food and water shortages are infrastructure problems, not natural resource shortages. Earth will never run out of water, and as long as it still has water and the ability to support agriculture, people will always be able to produce food. The problem you're describing is one of inefficiency and lack of sustainable expansion on the part of NCR.

I'm not sure how you'd expect space exploration to solve this issue anyway - do you really think we'd ever be likely to find a planet with more water freely available on it than Earth?

 

[Dr Fallout]

I'm Catholic. Fundamentalist is such a dirty word nowadays. I'll simply say I believe in the Bible and its teachings, and leave it at that.

It is hard to get rid of the Fiends though. Keep in mind even the NCR is having trouble dealing with the fiends and they're a superpower. In fact they're pretty much bottlenecked at McCarran because of the Fiends. House can't do it because, once again, he barely has the forces to occupy Vegas, much less send some of his very very small precious army of robots to kill some random druggies. Let's also not forget the fact he hates the NCR military. In his eyes he probably sees the Fiends as a good thing since they keep the NCR army away from Vegas. The second he wins Hoover Dam though, he does send a giant army to wipe out the Fiends. He couldn't do it before because there's barely enough securitrons before activating the Vault to patrol the 3 casinos on the Strip. Keep in mind House's Securitron presence is so small before you get him the chip that he doesn't even know the Omertas are planning to essentially blow up the Lucky 38 right out from under him. He didn't actually force the Followers out for me, but I will agree with you him slaughtering the Kings just for making peace with the NCR is completely insane. Honestly I blame that one on them having to rush to finish the game though. A lot of the ending slides don't really add up based on what you did. I feel if we had gotten the complete game, the ending would have taken into account if you became a member of the Kings, and that would influence House's decision. I doubt my Courier, who used his favor with The King to become a member, would just sit idly by and let Mr. House destroy his friends.

He didn't have a bucketload to use because pretty much every cent he had went into finding the chip. And you're right, I won't disagree with you there. It was fairly stupid of him to try and funnel all his resources into finding a single object, but the deal is, it paid off. He DID find it. And with it he plans to do amazing things. If House never found the platinum chip then yes, I would probably call him a complete fool, but in the end his patience paid off and he was able to rebuild his entire army, so long as you're willing to help him.

Ah okay, cool. It is, and with good reason. The old testament has some insane shit right there, though the New testament is much better. I actually like Jesus for being such a great guy. And then there are Creationists...

The NCR are having trouble because they can't spare the men against them. Yet somehow McCarran can still act as the center of the NCR army in the Mojave! House has the money to hire mercs, and train various militias in Freeside and Westside. Random druggies? Wow, they're ruining trade, causing chaos and disrupting the economy. Mr House should give a damn at what they're doing. Yeah I know, because he's got a much better one. While ruining the economy at the same time. And leave the rest of New Vegas to starve. Yes there is, and if not, we have the NCR military police. Why not use locals to do that to. He can afford to train them. Yep, or is it... incompetence? He doesn't seem to care what happens. Hell, Strip reputation applies better for locals, not Mr House! Oh wait I'm wrong, he ignores them and things actually get WORSE. Agreed. Oh sure, blame it on a rushed ending! It actually makes sense for me. He hates the NCR, so he hates them because they've (in his eyes) got screwed by them.

It paid off, JUST. Too much luck, not enough smarts in my opinion.

 

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I don't know what your source is on the precious metals - but food and water shortages are infrastructure problems, not natural resource shortages. Earth will never run out of water, and as long as it still has water and the ability to support agriculture, people will always be able to produce food. The problem you're describing is one of inefficiency and lack of sustainable expansion on the part of NCR.

I'm not sure how you'd expect space exploration to solve this issue anyway - do you really think we'd ever be likely to find a planet with more water freely available on it than Earth?

NCR Gold Reserves: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/NCR_dollars

Legion Denarius being made of Silver: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Legion_Denarius

And.. well.. I.. fuck. Good point. Wait, no! Because Mars has polar ice caps! There's water to be made from space ice! We'd just have to ship it back in ice-form. Basically just send people to mine ice on the north and south ice caps of Mars, there's a lot of fresh water right there. I think. I may be completely wrong about how mining space ice would work but it's a fact Mars has ice.

 

[Izak]

Look House is a huge fucking prick who'll kill entire factions because he doesn't think they're "patriotic enough" but from what I could tell about his character, he was meant to come off as a super genius that could solve all the world's problems only he'll only solve them if it benefits him and his dull beliefs, sort of like Dr. Presper but less crazy. Wasn't that the entire point? He's a dude that could solve all the world's problems but he won't out of some sense of superiority? I'm not using any facts to back this statement but this is what I personally took away from his character; a dude that could save the world but probably won't, this is what I thought Obsidian was trying to get across.
On the whole space argument, aren't we looking for rare mineral deposits on asteroids in real life? Could House mean this and is just hyperbolising his plans to make them appeal more to the Courier?

 

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I don't really find the Old Testament to have insane parts to it. It isn't a guide on how to live life, it's a history book. The New Testament is all about how to live our lives, the Old Testament simply chronicles the Jewish people and how we got to the New Testament. It isn't meant to be followed in the modern day, that's what the New Testament is for.

I dunno. I can't really argue these points. I feel it all boils down to House being an egomaniac that was too focused on the Chip rather than anyone else. I just feel like now that he has the chip, he'll start to simmer down, think level-headedly, and actually fix shit. Right after Vegas he's on a victory high, which I think explains some of the irrational stuff he does, like killing the Kings. What he does is inexcusable, but honestly I'd still trust him to hold the Mojave and keep it alive and thriving than I would the NCR or the Legion. Like it or not, he's still a very smart man. He made RobCo and is one of the reasons RepConn even had a space program to begin with. You can't be an idiot and then manage to make brilliant things like that. The only robot from RobCo not attributed to his design is the Mr. Handy, but that's also only mentioned in Fallout 4 which I don't consider part of the canon. He made Protectrons, Robobrains, Sentry Bots, Securitrons, and Liberty Prime. Those were his designs. In fact the Eyebot was also his design if the RepConn museum tour is factual.

 

[Dr Fallout]

I don't really find the Old Testament to have insane parts to it. It isn't a guide on how to live life, it's a history book. The New Testament is all about how to live our lives, the Old Testament simply chronicles the Jewish people and how we got to the New Testament. It isn't meant to be followed in the modern day, that's what the New Testament is for.

I dunno. I can't really argue these points. I feel it all boils down to House being an egomaniac that was too focused on the Chip rather than anyone else. I just feel like now that he has the chip, he'll start to simmer down, think level-headedly, and actually fix shit. Right after Vegas he's on a victory high, which I think explains some of the irrational stuff he does, like killing the Kings. What he does is inexcusable, but honestly I'd still trust him to hold the Mojave and keep it alive and thriving than I would the NCR or the Legion. Like it or not, he's still a very smart man. He made RobCo and is one of the reasons RepConn even had a space program to begin with. You can't be an idiot and then manage to make brilliant things like that. The only robot from RobCo not attributed to his design is the Mr. Handy, but that's also only mentioned in Fallout 4 which I don't consider part of the canon. He made Protectrons, Robobrains, Sentry Bots, Securitrons, and Liberty Prime. Those were his designs. In fact the Eyebot was also his design if the RepConn museum tour is factual.

Fair enough, can't argue against that. You don't take all of it literally though? That's good thinking there.

It's alright, basically your argument hinges on him getting the chip, in which case he will... well we don't really know. We have a basic idea but his policies are unexplained. Mine is on the fact that what he's doing currently is stupid and lacks sense, a lot of the things he does are foolish, though this is somewhat redeemed with the chip. I doubt it, he did the King killing after he had the chip. I wouldn't, independent all the way. My character can obviously lead better then he has. Look at Mr Houses's examples of 'leadership'. Attempted mutiny that actually can succeed. He is, though somewhat foolish and flawed. I guess he's just Human after all. There's no evidence he designed those things, others could have. The Securtitrons are the only ones I can accept.

 

[Ragemage]

Fair enough, can't argue against that. You don't take all of it literally though? That's good thinking there.

It's alright, basically your argument hinges on him getting the chip, in which case he will... well we don't really know. We have a basic idea but his policies are unexplained. Mine is on the fact that what he's doing currently is stupid and lacks sense, a lot of the things he does are foolish, though this is somewhat redeemed with the chip. I doubt it, he did the King killing after he had the chip. I wouldn't, independent all the way. My character can obviously lead better then he has. Look at Mr Houses's examples of 'leadership'. Attempted mutiny that actually can succeed. He is, though somewhat foolish and flawed. I guess he's just Human after all. There's no evidence he designed those things, others could have. The Securtitrons are the only ones I can accept.

What? No. I take the Bible literally, but not the modern day Bible. The original Bible without all the modern edits. For example, in the original Bible, God did not make the world in 6 literal days. The word used in Hebrew there is meant to be "ages". That's very important, because in the Jewish language ages basically equalled thousands of years. In other words it took God a very long time to form all of what we see today. Little changes like that make all the difference when it comes to believing.

I dunno. We know House founded RobCo, you don't just found a company unless you have something built around it. So clearly he had to design some of the robots other than the Securitrons or his company wouldn't exist. It would be like if, say, I made Walmart. But only as a building. And then I put nothing in the building. I gave it a nice name but did nothing with it. That's what you're saying House did, which makes no sense. Unless I'm misunderstanding you. Independent just seems flawed to me because Yes Man basically tells you at the end he's going to make himself more assertive. As in, he won't have to listen to you anymore and can follow his own string of logic. Unlike you, Yes Man is the one in control of all the Securitrons. If he wanted to, Yes Man could turn your entire army against you, completely on a whim, and you'd be powerless to stop it because you uploaded Yes Man into the mainframe, he has all the power. At least by keeping Mr. House alive you're also keeping alive the guy who knows how to build these machines, knows how to make more of them, and most likely will pass that info onto you. As the ending slide with Mr. House shows, he considers you his protege and even lets you live in the Lucky 38 permanently with him. By killing House, we really do lose a shitton of information that can be used to better people. Immortality, how to create efficient robots, how to make factories, how to mass produce things, etc.

I know you'll argue that House should have shared that information long beforehand but if I were Mr. House I wouldn't trust anyone with that knowledge. It's far too powerful, and if it fell into the wrong hands disaster would strike. For example, imagine if Caesar got ahold of House's immortality tech because of House spreading out his knowledge all willy-nilly. Then again you'd probably consider that a good thing. No, I think it's better for House to pass the knowledge down to you, and only you. Then it'll be up to your character what he does with that knowledge. That makes more sense to me than him to just give out his massive amount of knowledge like free candy.

 

[Dr Fallout]

What? No. I take the Bible literally, but not the modern day Bible. The original Bible without all the modern edits. For example, in the original Bible, God did not make the world in 6 literal days. The word used in Hebrew there is meant to be "ages". That's very important, because in the Jewish language ages basically equalled thousands of years. In other words it took God a very long time to form all of what we see today. Little changes like that make all the difference when it comes to believing.

I dunno. We know House founded RobCo, you don't just found a company unless you have something built around it. So clearly he had to design some of the robots other than the Securitrons or his company wouldn't exist. It would be like if, say, I made Walmart. But only as a building. And then I put nothing in the building. I gave it a nice name but did nothing with it. That's what you're saying House did, which makes no sense. Unless I'm misunderstanding you. Independent just seems flawed to me because Yes Man basically tells you at the end he's going to make himself more assertive. As in, he won't have to listen to you anymore and can follow his own string of logic. Unlike you, Yes Man is the one in control of all the Securitrons. If he wanted to, Yes Man could turn your entire army against you, completely on a whim, and you'd be powerless to stop it because you uploaded Yes Man into the mainframe, he has all the power. At least by keeping Mr. House alive you're also keeping alive the guy who knows how to build these machines, knows how to make more of them, and most likely will pass that info onto you. As the ending slide with Mr. House shows, he considers you his protege and even lets you live in the Lucky 38 permanently with him. By killing House, we really do lose a shitton of information that can be used to better people. Immortality, how to create efficient robots, how to make factories, how to mass produce things, etc.

I know you'll argue that House should have shared that information long beforehand but if I were Mr. House I wouldn't trust anyone with that knowledge. It's far too powerful, and if it fell into the wrong hands disaster would strike. For example, imagine if Caesar got ahold of House's immortality tech because of House spreading out his knowledge all willy-nilly. Then again you'd probably consider that a good thing. No, I think it's better for House to pass the knowledge down to you, and only you. Then it'll be up to your character what he does with that knowledge. That makes more sense to me than him to just give out his massive amount of knowledge like free candy.

Okay sure. That makes sense... I guess.

Actually you can! Bad example. Pretty much all the stuff they sell is made by others, not themselves. They'r the middle men. Assertive as in he won't betray you to every bozo. I doubt it, especially if we do how I see it, but that's just me. True. Sorry if this seems short, but I'm kind of in a hurry now.

Yes, I would argue that. Disaster that happens even with him. Actually yes I would.

 

[Lanfear]

NCR Gold Reserves: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/NCR_dollars

Legion Denarius being made of Silver: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Legion_Denarius

Yeah, but nothing in any of these articles about the world having run out of gold or silver.

And.. well.. I.. fuck. Good point. Wait, no! Because Mars has polar ice caps! There's water to be made from space ice! We'd just have to ship it back in ice-form. Basically just send people to mine ice on the north and south ice caps of Mars, there's a lot of fresh water right there. I think. I may be completely wrong about how mining space ice would work but it's a fact Mars has ice.

But... we have virtually unlimited... why would we...

 

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We have virtually unlimited drinking water? Really now? Is that why there's water shortages all over the world in today's society? Even in a modern 1st world nation like America, we have water problems. Such as in Virginia only a couple of years ago: http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/14/5...t-virginias-water-crisis-is-everyones-problem Water has always been a valuable resource, but it's certainly not unlimited. If it were unlimited we wouldn't have nearly as many water problems all over the world. Now multiply all these articles about water shortages, drought, lack of water, etc and then add radiation into the mix. There's the problem, and that's why we would need new water sources.

 

[Izak]

The problem there is water distribution not water shortage, all civilisations at one time or another have experienced drought, that doesn't mean we're running out of water, it means some country's having some bad luck.

 

[Lanfear]

A lot of what I'm about to say is stuff I assume to be basic knowledge, so excuse me if I come off as patronising: we don't have virtually unlimited drinking water, we have virtually unlimited water. Any water can be processed and made usable. The water on Mars would likely not be any more potable without treatment than the water in our own oceans is, which (amongst other things) makes the idea of transporting great slabs of ice from Mars to Earth to solve its water shortages very silly.

Water shortages don't occur because all of the water is somehow vanishing off the face of our planet. That never happens. They occur because it takes significant infrastructure to maintain the level of potable water required to sustain a large population, and things like droughts make this more difficult.

So the problem described in FNV is not that all of the water is magically vanishing - it's that the NCR's infrastructure for treating water is incapable of keeping up with the demand of its population and farming industry.

 

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Alright, fine, fair enough. What I'm trying to say is though, is that if even the NCR with all its resources can't manage to handle water crisises, what makes you think anyone will in the foreseeable future? Before you give Mr. House the chip, the NCR is basically the biggest power player in all of America, and even they can't supply water to all their people. I guess making technology to get rid of salt in ocean water would be a lot more feasible than trying to ship water from Mars though. But still, radiation is still an issue. You can't exactly scrub that out of water with desalinization processes. I guess in my mind it sounded easier to ship fresh water in. If House's plans actually worked out I'd imagine space ships would take about as long as delivery trucks/18-wheelers between cities in our time.

Radiation is an issue though, and it will continue to be an issue in almost all the Earth's water supply. How do you propose fixing that then if not with space water in the Fallout universe? Sure people could just keep drinking irradiated water but that's going to lead to some bad mutations down the road if it's kept up. The only spots of water in America that we know of that aren't completely contaminated with radiation are Lake Mead, the Colorado River, and possibly the Potomac River assuming Project Purity was a success. Every other body of water we see is contaminated, I see no reason to believe the rest of the water also isn't. On top of that, the only reason Lake Mead wasn't contaminated is because House stopped most of the nukes from hitting the Mojave. Same probably applies to the Colorado as well actually.

 

[Lanfear]

What I'm trying to say is though, is that if even the NCR with all its resources can't manage to handle water crisises, what makes you think anyone will in the foreseeable future?

Well, the Legion certainly don't seem to be having the same water shortage issues as the NCR. The problem with the NCR is one of overextension and greed.

I guess making technology to get rid of salt in ocean water would be a lot more feasible than trying to ship water from Mars though. But still, radiation is still an issue. You can't exactly scrub that out of water with desalinization processes.

As a matter of fact you can use water filtration to solve both problems. Radioactive water is not radioactive because the hydrogen and oxygen atoms in it have become radioactive (there aren't actually any isotopes of either atom that put out dangerous levels of radiation), it's radioactive because it contains other radioactive matter (i.e. dust - fallout).

 

[Ragemage]

Well, the Legion certainly don't seem to be having the same water shortage issues as the NCR. The problem with the NCR is one of overextension and greed.


As a matter of fact you can use water filtration to solve both problems. Radioactive water is not radioactive because the hydrogen and oxygen atoms in it have become radioactive (there aren't actually any isotopes of either atom that put out dangerous levels of radiation), it's radioactive because it contains other radioactive matter (i.e. dust).

Huh, interesting. I did not know that. Though this also makes me realize Fallout 3's main quest is even more stupid than I thought.

One thing I will say though involving the Legion is, we don't really know any of their problems because we only see them from a war standpoint. We don't get to see any of their cities or civilians or see what life's like back on the homefront. We also don't really have any Legionaires talking about their home lives, only about the upcoming battle. So it makes sense why we wouldn't know about Legion water or food shortages. Makes me wish Obsidian had gotten that extra year to work on the game so we could have seen Legion towns and whatnot.