Star Wars: Solo

Holy shit. The new YouTubers rising to fame by hating Disney's "Star Wars" (reads "Not Star Wars at all") are voicing their genuine thoughts. Before TLJ if you said anything bad about Disney, it was sacrilege, and you were condemned for being "negative". So the fact they weren't as vocal until now don't mean they are suddenly pandering to "haters" -- who can't shut off our brains completely, to be able to tolerate this crap; they are just a vocal representation of a growing percentage of real Star Wars fans who tried to be civil until now, but will no longer stand for Disney's bullshit and see through their pathetic attempt at propaganda. If any talking heads are pandering to us, it's ex-shills turned haters, such as this fat pig:


It ain't Star Wars films that will burn, it's Disney. And you know why there is a fanbase desperate for that to happen? Precisely because their overhyped shits (not "movies") are ridden with faults and no other content to speak of, worth neither money, nor time.

Specifically, MauLer kicks the shit out of that... shit.

I think some of them (MauLer for example) are just being contrarian to get people to boycott Disney, and wouldn't stop ripping into the movie if it was the best thing since sliced bread.
Case in point: In MauLer's review, he spends several minutes ripping into a scene where Han and Chewie are on a train and Chewie is about to fall off or crash into a rock. He pissed on the scene because since it's a prequel we already know Chewie will survive. Well, yeah, by that logic we could completely drop Episode 1-3 because we already know what will happen to Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan, and if we're being honest we don't even need to be thrilled during the Deathstar attack in A New Hope because honestly, we know the good guys will win and Luke will be the hero.
That's just being overly nitpicky. Fact is, the movie had a few flaws, but in general it was actually enjoyable.
But then you have people like MauLer or Mindless Entertainment who rip into the movie and complain about every single detail (often misrepresenting the movie) just to get their fanbase to hate it as well. Now I want to see Disney SW fail as much as anyone else after TLJ, but not by being dishonest.
The hate towards TLJ was entirely justified, but towards Solo... Not that much, not against the film itself, only against Disney.

I think Solo did a little bit of bait & switch with L3. The marketing was all "L3 is not like all the other robots!!", but in the end L3 was just a minor character everyone rolls their eyes at. It's not the activist sockpuppet everyone thought it would be, it's clearly a parody. She's so over the top nobody even tries to engage her in that discussion. But tell that to MauLer's fans, who haven't seen the movie and just go "BUT IT'S DISNEY SO WE MUST ASSUME THE CHARACTER WAS DONE COMPLETELY STRAIGHT AND NOT FOR LAUGHS WE MUST HATE IT". Yeah, nah.
 
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Not trying to hijack this thread but as it is based on Han Solo, has anyone else here read Brian Daley's Han Solo Adventures from the 70s/80s?

I rather liked these stories though I don't think they would make good movie material.

There is also the Han Solo Trilogy by A.C. Crispin but I never read those.
 
He pissed on the scene because since it's a prequel we already know Chewie will survive.
MauLer is correct, this whole movie is robbed of tension because we know Solo and Chewbacca can't die because they are alive in A New Hope. And A New Hope is not the same, you don't know that Luke will win because there's no prequels or sequels when that movie was made. Heck, i bet a bunch of people still went with the mentality that Luke would beat Darth Vader in Empire, only for Luke to get his ass kicked.
 
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MauLer is correct, this whole movie is robbed of tension because we know Solo and Chewbacca can't die because they are alive in A New Hope. And A New Hope is not the same, you don't know that Luke win will because there's no prequels or sequels when that movie was made. Heck, i bet a bunch of people still went with the mentality that Luke would beat Darth Vader in Empire, only for Luke to get his ass kicked.
This is always the problem with prequels, though. It's not about the "if", it's about the "how".
As I said, we know that Anakin and Obi Wan survive everything in the prequels and the Clone Wars, but it's not really something to complain about.
 
The other issue with prequels, which from the sounds of it this has in spades, is how in the original piece of work the details of a characters backstory are usually told like and assumed to have happened through their life, be it relationships to unsavory foes, legendary tales of some cool thing did and such, but prequels always render it so their entire backstory happened all at once, barely hours between each other.

So in a single adventure Han Solo met Chewbacca, won the Millenium Falcon, met Lando and did the Kessel run, barely taking a week. You can then assume the rest of his smuggler career was extremely boring and uneventful because he never mentions any other feats.
 
Using this whole "Real fan" definition...
What whole "Real fan" definition? :-? Did you just take me for someone with whom you once had a bitter argument on reddit? I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character.

Is any movie's existence necessary?
Did you have something to do with this (first counterargument)? ;)
!!SPOILERS!!
 
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What whole "Real fan" definition? :-? Did you just take me for someone with whom you once had a bitter argument on reddit? I fundamentally disagree with virtually everything you've decided about my character.
Nope. Never posted on Reddit. (especially not in the SW subsection. That place is a shit hole.)

See you start at a certain time line close to the genesis of whatever a band, a game, a show, a franchise and you slide that bar up to the point you think the thing loses its core element. This whole "real fan" thing has been thrown around by 'real fans' since the beginning of forums yet no one can decide unanimously on what a real ________ is. Surprising right?

How 'bout you tell me what your parameters of what a "real" SW fan is because you brought it up in the first place?
The mentality that you have to dislike Phantom but put Revenge high up on a pedestal? Maybe slide the bar further down and stop at Return and every SW thing after that is "fake"? Shit maybe go by the fact that New Hope was once only called 'Star Wars' without a subtitle meaning everything that followed after is "fake."

You tell me.
 
MauLer in particular is in my eyes a flag that goes whichever way the wind is blowing (i.e. whatever pumps up that YouTube revenue). It's no coincidence that his four part TLJ "review" (if you can even call it that) brought in 1m+ views and he's decided to go back and slam TFA and now Solo.

Stay tuned for "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story: An Unbridled Rage" .... oh wait that one was received well by fans. Let's change that video title real quick:

"Rogue One: A Star Wars Story: An Unbridled Praise."
 
.....a flag that goes whichever way the wind is blowing
In other words, a "CHRUE FAN"

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So sorry for this long shit.

How 'bout you tell me what your parameters of what a "real" SW fan is because you brought it up in the first place?
See, now you're talking. By "real" I simply meant "not fake". You know, that old classic meaning? Not someone born before a certain year, neither someone who owns X amount of merch. Just someone who's not a shill. No bar sliding neither. So, is there anything you said that you'd like to go back on before you jumped the gun assuming a re-definition I hadn't given, and proceeded to base your whole post on it?

And I don't know if you realize this but the circlejerk fests on reddit you rightfully stay away from have exactly to do with this phenomenon. Half the people "discussing" a corporate product are shills. Corporations today invest more in damage control than they do in the products they release. That's why we get all shit games and shit movies.

And don't get me wrong -- I do hate that shit mentality: that "since we are in the majority, your voice is irrelevant" or "the movie was a financial success/failure, therefore it was good/bad". However, it is the only kind of mentality shills (posing as fanboys) seem to understand. So I hope you'll forgive me for exhibiting it. That stuff really should not be a factor in whether something is right or wrong.
This is a shit mentality though.
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MauLer in particular is in my eyes a flag that goes whichever way the wind is blowing (i.e. whatever pumps up that YouTube revenue). It's no coincidence that his four part TLJ "review" (if you can even call it that) brought in 1m+ views and he's decided to go back and slam TFA and now Solo.
AhAHahah what? Which way the wind is blowing? Is whether or not people like a movie as random as which way the wind is blowing? Like never mind that the movie may suck -- the reaction to it will be arbitrary anyway, is that it? You won't acknowledge the possibility that maybe, just maybe MauLer may be one among many like-minded people in a community sick and tired of iconic Star Wars characters getting gutted? Why do you automatically assume we'd not rather watch good movies than have to bash bad ones, who happen to be popular only because of their title?

So MauLer made successful videos, and he's not allowed to capitalize on his own success?? Because what? And why do you automatically assume he's only in it for the money? If anything, he's got balls opening himself to flak by bashing 2 other movies that are not as controversial. His following has now placed him on a bigger stage where he has the chance to voice his problems with past movies, reaching more people. Something he was most certainly unable to do previously -- especially with the automatic shutdown anyone would get if we attacked Disney "Star Wars" until after TLJ. Would you accept that could be why he hated on TFA retrospectively?
About Rogue One. If it was received well by fans, it was certainly not much better off than TFA. Not too much risk bashing R1 too, yes? So if MauLer didn't bash it (I didn't even know he didn't have a video on it), it must be for money? Really? I mean, if you liked both R1 and Solo, is it impossible to believe that someone who hates Solo just so happens to like R1? How about people who hate R1 and like TFA? Is it too complicated when people are not clearly divided in camps, so you just try to put them where you imagine they should be?

Be that as it may. This is the thing you should be accusing a lot of other YouTubers before MauLer, especially ones that have been shilling for Disney until now but are suddenly reconsidering their position, now that Solo flops.


But it's yet even more curious how you'd sooner accuse individual people of looking to make a buck on the back of a cause they may sincerely believe in, than the corrupt elephant in the room. Disney. Hello? The reason they even bought Star Wars is to milk it to shit. To date, not a single Disney "Star Wars" "movie" has been as uniting as the OT. Notice how I don't use the word "good". I am not trying to take away anyone's genuine enjoyment of a movie (although I probably did, sorry). However, neither will I stand by in silence while good people with legitimate concerns over (what should be) obvious flaws in these "movies" are being attacked by others with no more logical arguments in their defense. So while you want us to accept that you vocally enjoy the "movies", we want you to accept that we vocally hate them.

... and wouldn't stop ripping into the movie if it was the best thing since sliced bread.
How would you ever know? Would you stop glorifying it if it was the worst thing since shit sandwiches?

He pissed on the scene because since it's a prequel we already know Chewie will survive. Well, yeah, by that logic we could completely drop Episode 1-3 because we already know what will happen to Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan...
This may come as a surprise to you, but I'm all for that.

... we don't even need to be thrilled during the Deathstar attack in A New Hope because honestly, we know the good guys will win and Luke will be the hero.
How?? Because good guys? If you think that's a legit criticism, then can you not also apply it to the prequels (including "Star Wars stories"), in addition to all the problems they already got? And newer characters aren't helped in this regard by each being OP AF. It doesn't change the fact that all prequels are objectively more meaningless either way.

When someone says Solo isn't that bad, I can get behind that. When they say they like Solo, OK, maybe. But when someone says "9/10", knowing what we know -- name origin, shower scene, darth, stupid story, no character development, dumb jokes, cheap references -- that's a shill right there.
 
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How would you ever know? Would you stop glorifying it if it was the worst thing since shit sandwiches?
Yes. I have no obligation to like or dislike any movie, and my disdain for TLJ is obvious. I just happen to not hate Solo too much, in fact I found the movie enjoyable.
This may come as a surprise to you, but I'm all for that.
Not a surprise at all. I still think the prequels suck, their only redeeming thing were the enjoyable Clone Wars show, and it had been a massive effort on Disney's part to manage to make TLJ worse than those pieces of shit.

How?? Because good guys? If you think that's a legit criticism, then can you not also apply it to the prequels (including "Star Wars stories"), in addition to all the problems they already got? And newer characters aren't helped in this regard by each being OP AF. It doesn't change the fact that all prequels are objectively more meaningless either way.
It's a classic story, and just by experience you can expect the good guys to win in the vast majority of movies. Sometimes your expectations are subverted, but let's face it, there's no surprise in Luke blowing up the Death Star.
But yes, this is a problem getting a lot worse with prequels, because the outcome is fixed. As I said, they have to be more about the journey instead of the result.
What I disliked about Solo was that they tried to cram everything into one movie. Either make the movie about Han and Chewie meeting, or make it about the Kessel Run. Not necessarily both at the same time.
When someone says Solo isn't that bad, I can get behind that. When they say they like Solo, OK, maybe. But when someone says "9/10", knowing what we know -- name origin, shower scene, darth, stupid story, no character development, dumb jokes, cheap references -- that's a shill right there.
Yeah, 9/10 is way too high. It was an enjoyable movie to me, but not more than 7/10. 9/10 is a typical CT Phipps rating that mostly reflects how much he enjoyed the movie, and he doesn't require the most cerebral entertainment to enjoy himself. Give him a few explosions, one-liners and a lot of rule-of-cool and he's as happy as if he were eating crayons again.
 
So MauLer made successful videos, and he's not allowed to capitalize on his own success?

No. You should be suspicious of getting "review" information from a guy whose recent success is tied to just bashing any Star Wars movie that didn't receive fan approval. They're not reviews - they're hour long diatribes that comb through the entirety of the movies structure and plot and nitpicks the shit out of it. It's CinemaSins on steroids.

It isn't remotely funny or enjoyable like the RLM prequel reviews which mixed in a side-plot to break up the monotony.

Be that as it may. This is the thing you should be accusing a lot of other YouTubers before MauLer, especially ones that have been shilling for Disney until now but are suddenly reconsidering their position, now that Solo flops.

No, I don't need to - it already goes without saying. I don't go to "Colossal" or "Schmoes Knows" for whether or not <Insert Most Recent Star Wars> was good or not. You seem to be under the delusion that because I think MauLer is pandering that I don't hold the same opinion for the opposite spectrum.

Is it too complicated when people are not clearly divided in camps, so you just try to put them where you imagine they should be?

There's two camps at the moment: People that like Star Wars and people that hate Star Wars. Then there's MauLer - he'll fly whichever flag gets him the most ad-sense bucks.

The reason they even bought Star Wars is to milk it to shit.

Businesses doing business things. Hate to break it to you, but GL began milking the franchise the moment it was a commercial success way back when. The fact you think this behavior is exclusive to Disney is hilarious.

The only difference between GL and Disney is that GL was butt-hurt from fans and wanted to sit on the franchise and milk toy licensing deals until he was bought out by the only people that could afford to do so.

16+ Marvel movies later (owned by Disney btw) and you're trying to tell me they're milking franchises? Hilarious.

So while you want us to accept that you vocally enjoy the "movies", we want you to accept that we vocally hate them.

I said one thing about MauLer and you've launched into this tirade about how I'm not accepting that people don't like Solo. I'm aware that there's a camp that doesn't like Solo for legitimate reasons. I just think MauLer is the opposite side of the same coin.
 
MauLer is a fucking joke of a ""critic"" himself and the people who buy him do honestly believe that the longer you inanely rant and ramble for, the more right you must be. I don't even actually believe that he's as awarely cynical as BigGuy said, but he does it anyway. He's the type that would get +EIGHT FUCKING HOURS of solely a "response" to someone else's somewhat controversial video about one of the most common punching bags of the last generation. He's the type that goes HURR WELL SOMA ISN'T SCARY SO I CAN'T OVERREACT TO IT ON TWITCH THUS BAD, and last but not least whine about RE7 not being Resident Evil 6 despite that being literally its main boon. Not to mention the constant low key shit flinging to other critics who don't even know they're being talked about because they couldn't give less of a fuck. At least the massive brainlets his videos' comment sections are entertaining in themselves.

I feel like he's one of those people who got there just because they've got an intelligent sounding voide, but...
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Lucas started milking Star Wars before even The Empire Strikes Back. Even if Star Wars hadn't been a huge success, there was a low-budget sequel planned (released as the novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the first EU novel), there was the Holiday Special, and the full monetization started with RotJ and the Ewok movies and the cartoons. The prequels were massively into kid-appeal and toy milking, too.
Star Was has always been commercial as fuck.
Either way, it's absolutely fine to dislike Solo. It's not a great movie and has its fair share of problems. But I refuse to hate on it just because it's Disney and it's necessary to hate them now.
 
Star Wars literally coined the modern definiton of "blockbuster" media ever since the very first film. People pretending it to be some kind of indie artsy piece are delusional, indeed.
 
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