TheGM
The voice of reason
Did that Fat Man just give them 50 rads?
Swedish PC Gamer reviews Fallout 3
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thefalloutfan
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
TheGM said:
The fatman leaves radiation behind after impact.
Yep and there's a keeled over Supermutant on the ground next to the player.
TheGM said:
No, the rad count is in red in the top left or right corner (forgot which one), what you see at the bottom right is XP (don't know for what).
Also, talking about the Fat Man
Didn't anyone notice how the nuclear explosion looks like it's pasted onto the background, floating slightly above the ground? Notice how there appears to be no area effect, no damage to the ground, the rubble directly beneath the blast remains inert.
I hope that's just an optical effect because of it being a still (and a low quality scan), because if it looks ingame as it looks here, that's spectacularly bad.
Are you going to post this everywhere?
He reviewed the review copy, which is standard not the final version, but a few versions before with a list of known bugs. For almost any major AAA release all major magazines and sites review the game based on said "review code". I've done reviews based on such non-gold review code for GameBanshee. There's only a few magazines that refuse to review unfinished code and want the gold copy (such as PC Zone, I think).
All the reviews for Fallout 3 that will begin popping up sometime soon will be based on review code, just like these.
It almost looks like there is debris in the foreground that is blocking the ground, but you're probably right.
thefalloutfan
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
You're right about the explosion, I'm not sure if that's because it's being blocked by the debris.
aenemic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
in how many games do you see the ground change around an explosion? it'd be one thing if not even placeables, corpses and such moved but expecting the ground itself to change shape and all of a sudden spew out rubble and stuff is just silly. it'd be totally awesome, but as far as I know there are no games that do that.
aenemic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Ausir said:
of course, that's one way to look at it. but then you have to apply that same logic to any kind of explosion or other things that would affect the environment.
mandrake776
Still Mildly Glowing
Not only that, it's a ridiculously high standard to hold explosions in games to. The only games that really have those effects are the ones based entirely around that gimmick.aenemic said:
aenemic said:
It doesn't even need to deform the actual environment, it just need to give the optical impression that it does. Company of Heroes did that, even if it's mostly optical it works, as it does for Hell's Highway, and games have been doing that for some time. Notice how much better those explosions look, how less "pasted on", I doubt that is because they spent much more time on graphic polish of explosions - considering Bethesda's obsession with said kablooies.
The ground spewing up some mud is the very minimum, but if the explosion is surrounding by what looks like rubble then you'd really expect the rubble to show some physics and not just sit still.
aenemic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
it's one thing to have destructable buildings, you see that in a few games here and there. those are still 3D models that you can easily alter.
but I can imagine it being a whole other thing to change the ground, which is just a huge layer of texture.
I'm no expert on 3D graphics though so I might be entirely wrong.
I like the idea about incorporating flying debris into the explosion itself, that's the best solution it seems. but it's only starting to appear in a few recent games, so I'm not going to expect it from every game from now on.
after all, graphics and special effects are what I'm the least worried about.
but I can imagine it being a whole other thing to change the ground, which is just a huge layer of texture.
I'm no expert on 3D graphics though so I might be entirely wrong.
I like the idea about incorporating flying debris into the explosion itself, that's the best solution it seems. but it's only starting to appear in a few recent games, so I'm not going to expect it from every game from now on.
after all, graphics and special effects are what I'm the least worried about.
aenemic said:
Correct. Which is why I just said you don't need to deform the ground, you just need to give the optical impression that something is happening - which that screenshot does not, which is all the more glaring since the explosion appears to be in rubble.
But this is all hard to conclude from a low-quality still.
aenemic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
dirtbag said:
hm, I used to play Red Faction a lot actually. but I have no memory of that. I guess that goes to show how little I care about such things.
but ok, so it exists. it's still not a common thing.
Slaughter Manslaught
Vault Senior Citizen
Great point about the explosion. That Fatman explosion? Yaaawh, I saw more exciting explosions on Redneck Rampage. I also hate how the Fatman's explosion is ridiculously small, the size of a rocket launcher explosion. If I get to fire a man-portable NUKE, I want to FEEL like firing a small nuke... you guys know, ground shake, debris flying, a lot of light and fire, rads aplenty and A LOT OF DESTRUCTION AND MAYHEM!
Alphadrop
A right proper chap.
Slaughter Manslaught said:
That would be a MAN's explosion, not a pussy wimpy one shown there. Them limp wristed Beth boys and their wimpy nukes.
Ok I'm getting carried away
Though seriously, the MDK "worlds smallest nuke" was better than the nuke shown in the screeny.
