The battle between the couriers.

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Sorry for the cropped thread title (EDIT: fixed it), NMA does not allow more letters in topic... :roll: Anyway. What I was trying to express, is the last sentence Dog/God utters in case you have "fused" them in Dead Money:

Dead Money said:
"The battle between the two couriers, between the torn skies and the old world flag, each, bearing a message for the other. And the mutant prayed the courier that had saved him... had been saved in return."
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Can the "carrying a letter for each other" be taken literally? Can it be, that Ulysses and the Courier already know each other very well? If it is really two letters clashing each other, what can it be? If it is just a metaphor, what can those two messages mean?

Also, let's use this topic for any foreshadowing/guessing in future DLC regarding this topic. And, if we know better in July, to <s>suck MCA's dick</s> properly argue the ending Avellone thought this chapter in the Mojave will end.
 
I was thinking that the part of Dog/God's ending that comes before that quote could be a metaphor for your relationship with Ulysses where it talks about

"There was the beast, consumed by hunger.... and the other in reverse..... the one consumed by control. Both were driven by the need for each other."
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I thought this might have been a hint as to what is to come in Lonesome Road. Maybe you can settle your differences with Ulysses and "Join into one" so to speak? Perhaps all of Dog/God's ending represent possible outcomes of your meeting with Ulysses.
 
I have a hard time to believe that the player has any real conflict with Ulysses pre-FNV. It would just look weird and feel out of character if you are in front of Ulysses and have dialog options about stuff that you - as the player - don't know anything about. And I don't think that Obsidian is going to do something like this.
 
Lexx said:
I have a hard time to believe that the player has any real conflict with Ulysses pre-FNV. It would just look weird and feel out of character if you are in front of Ulysses and have dialog options about stuff that you - as the player - don't know anything about. And I don't think that Obsidian is going to do something like this.
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But he told Christine that he "Knew what it was like to chase after someone who had such an impact on his life." And he recognized your name on list of couriers. Maybe he knows you but you don't know him?
 
Maybe it's something that the courier has done but doesn't know about it / the impact it had.
 
"After years of wondering the desert and waiting for you to find me I finally have you, my old nemesis who wronged me in so many ways."
[Speech:100] "This is not the courier you are looking for."

Quickest DLC ever.

That or a case of mistaken identity, which would be awesome.
 
Alphadrop said:
"After years of wondering the desert and waiting for you to find me I finally have you, my old nemesis who wronged me in so many ways."
[Speech:100] "This is not the courier you are looking for."
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That would be great :D
Maybe a combination of Speech:100 and Wild Wasteland...
 
Lexx said:
Maybe it's something that the courier has done but doesn't know about it / the impact it had.
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Perhaps the grave in Ulysses ranch has something to do it, because it seems a little more recent grave than the others you find on the Wasteland, decorated in much more detail.
 
It seems like there are only a few ways Obsidian could deal with Ulysses without really messing up the Courier's backstory. The way that makes the most sense to me is the following:

For some arbitrary, player-selectable reason Caeasar and/or some other higher-up in the Legion hierarchy decided to axe the Courier. Maybe you slept with one of said higher-up's offspring, [wild wasteland] delivered some bad food to Caesar's chinchilla or perhaps they really did just get the wrong person. Regardless, Ulysses set up an ambush for you before the chip job which you sidestepped in a way he never would have expected.

Then he gives the Courier the chip job/lets the Courier take the chip job, knowing full well that whoever takes that job is doomed. Once he finds out the Courier is still alive, he freaks out because: a) he's a crappy assassin and his life's work is meaningless; b) he lost his job as an assassin and now feels bad because the Courier really did get a raw deal. His only consolation is either finishing the job or being finished off by the legion for his failure; c) he's now worried that the Courier has fate or some other mystical force on his/her side and wants to test that power.

This is purely speculation of course, but given the facts and how much or little I expect Obsidian to force backstory on the player, this is the best I can come up with.
 
Just one thing, Graham said he was expecting a courier and Caesar has an disguised Frumentarii roaming the Mojave as a courier.

Ulysses is part of the Legion, then?
 
brfritos said:
Just one thing, Graham said he was expecting a courier and Caesar has an disguised Frumentarii roaming the Mojave as a courier.

Ulysses is part of the Legion, then?
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Yes, Ulysses is a Legion assassin. He was originally planned to be the Legion companion before he was cut from the game, and in the NV deck of cards his suit is Clubs just like all the other Legionaries.
 
I was thinking there may be something to this


http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Odysseus

In the upcoming Fallout: New Vegas add-on Lonesome Road, there is a character named Ulysses, who had visited the Big Empty (the facility upon which Tibbets was based) in his hunt for the Courier. Whether or not the two have any connection is unknown.
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Since a lot of van buren content is in FoNV
 
Courier said:
brfritos said:
Just one thing, Graham said he was expecting a courier and Caesar has an disguised Frumentarii roaming the Mojave as a courier.

Ulysses is part of the Legion, then?
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Yes, Ulysses is a Legion assassin. He was originally planned to be the Legion companion before he was cut from the game, and in the NV deck of cards his suit is Clubs just like all the other Legionaries.
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My idea of Ulysses was he being like Cass, who sympathize with the NCR and support them with some restrictions, not a member of Caesar's Legion.

I'm curious to see what Obsidian will throw at us.
 
If you look at it from a certain perspective, Caesar's Legion would be the best faction to control the wasteland. Think about it; they take control of all the wasteland, civilize it and get rid of criminals, collapse under their own weight, then there will be a much better situation for new governments and nations to arise from in the area just like how Rome gave the Western world a head start. Maybe Ulysses is thinking something along these lines?

He did say, "The day I set my flag down, it'll be over my body or over a nation I believe in." So perhaps he just sees CL as a tool to clean up the wastes.
 
Courier said:
If you look at it from a certain perspective, Caesar's Legion would be the best faction to control the wasteland. Think about it; they take control of all the wasteland, civilize it and get rid of criminals, collapse under their own weight, then there will be a much better situation for new governments and nations to arise from in the area just like how Rome gave the Western world a head start. Maybe Ulysses is thinking something along these lines?

He did say, "The day I set my flag down, it'll be over my body or over a nation I believe in." So perhaps he just sees CL as a tool to clean up the wastes.
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So he will be another Elijah and wipe the slate clean?
I hope not.

And why every idea I hear about changing something is always "let's first kill everyone, then kill the criminals and if somebody left, we will try to build something"?
When I hear "Legion civilized a region" I can only think on Lord of the Flies.

Or Der Üntergang. :roll:
 
Several people do say that Legion controlled territories are virtually crime-free. I think Caesar's Legion's collapse would parallel Rome's collapse, and out of the ashes would rise the wasteland's equivalents of France, Spain, England, etc.

Caesar's Legion could easily clear up half the problems the NCR is having.
 
outofthegamer said:
Courier said:
Caesar's Legion could easily clear up half the problems the NCR is having.
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This may be true, but replacing crime and poverty with crucifictions and slavery is not the answer...IMO.
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That's why you wait for them to collapse so more civilized nations can emerge. Caesar's Legion would just be useful to make the wasteland a less hostile place, then a new civilization could arise and use the Brotherhood of Steel's hoarded technology to rebuild.[/i]
 
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