The Brotherhood of Steel decision - thumbs up or thumbs down?

[CT Phipps]

So,

Do you destroy the Brotherhood of Steel, make peace with them, or just ignore them with your games? What do you think their long term prospects in the Mojave are? Do you think if you sound the alarm that any of them will escape or is your Courier the only survivor?

Do you think they should have had an option for Mister House to make peace with them or would they have betrayed him?

What about Caesar?

 

[mkba]

always destroy them , i still being traumatised by them sending me to the glow , death to bos

 

[Cobra Commander]

I always kill the raiders in Fallout. It's no different with BoS in NV.

 

[Ediros]

They are just thieves, who can not discard their flawed and outdated philosophy. They will kill you for tech and I always kill them, after Veronica's quest.

 

[Alphons]

They survived only once, when I was doing Friends with everyone indenpendent run.

 

[Einhanderc7]

Honestly, I just wipe them out after obtaining the power armor. Their prospects in the west are gone, and they have not thought it wise enough to relocate to a less hostile region. Considering that they refuse to relocate, have dwindling numbers, and refuse to recruit from the local population they have effectively killed themselves off. As a paramilitary group they are seriously flawed and narrow minded.

If they could be re-educated or at least be open to suggestion that their direction is flawed they would have a chance to survive. But the Brotherhood of Steel being as it is, I would expect them to last maybe another 20-30 years if left alone in the Mojave to later be ousted by either the NCR or Legion forces. Bear in mind most of their forces in the west are limited due to their past conflict with the NCR.

I honestly don't know how they think that little dust storm will keep them concealed considering I easily found them in my first play through, without finding the NCR ranger in the other bunker. Anyone with a reasonable degree of intelligence particularly a scavenger will seek out bunkers such as the one they inhabit because of the promise of loot.

However if they could be swayed to redirect their efforts they could prove a worthy ally in various combative scenarios. Provided of course they leave their silly notions of techno grandeur behind.

 

[NMLevesque]

I usually do the truce, but lately I think wiping them out makes more sense. At best they might not be highway robbers. If Veronica stays with them it becomes clear that they will go nowhere (figuratively). If she leaves they will ruin her life. That they will attack the Followers based on specious reasoning makes them complete assholes. The best thing they ever did was be moderately helpful to the Vault Dweller and Chosen One. They're basically just pompous, techno-fetishistic raiders. I'd rather help the Khans...

 

[Prone Squanderer]

I usually support House, hence I end up wiping them out. Veronica's the only reason I feel a little bad for doing so, but ultimately I think it's the only option for the same reasons everyone else has pointed out.

Do you think they should have had an option for Mister House to make peace with them or would they have betrayed him?

IIRC there was going to be an option like that, but it doesn't make sense so I'm glad it was cut. Mr House thinks very far ahead. He knows the Brotherhood would ultimately be a threat to him and perhaps to the NCR, which would affect New Vegas' income if the BOS attacked NCR citizens enough.

 

[CT Phipps]

Honestly, I just wipe them out after obtaining the power armor. Their prospects in the west are gone, and they have not thought it wise enough to relocate to a less hostile region. Considering that they refuse to relocate, have dwindling numbers, and refuse to recruit from the local population they have effectively killed themselves off. As a paramilitary group they are seriously flawed and narrow minded.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious--Aren't the Mojave Chapter the only BOS smart enough to relocate? Everyone else stayed in California but they LEFT NCR's control. It's just NCR caught up with them.

 

[Einhanderc7]

At the risk of pointing out the obvious--Aren't the Mojave Chapter the only BOS smart enough to relocate? Everyone else stayed in California but they LEFT NCR's control. It's just NCR caught up with them.

I understand your counter point, however if they relocate and the enemy is still within reach when the objective was to consolidate in safety, they failed. Basically their act of relocating means nothing.

The old BOS was very serious about their strategies and very very seriously about being cautious. The NV chapter of the BOS is "attempting" to be cautious but simply fail to do so. Granted the wasteland is populated with a rather annoying amount of hostile entities. But pushing out further would decrease the chance that the BOS enemies that are familiar with their tactics would be common.

The chances of individuals encountering a much more heavily armored, and well trained group farther out decreases simply because the BOS is unique in the wasteland. To be honest they would have had a better time pushing into Legion territory and kicking up that nest vs. the NCR.

The reason I say that is because Caesar makes it a point to make his population technologically inept. This would greatly benefit the BOS, as well increase the chances that they would find additional tech to salvage vs. the hungry NCR.

 

[Cobra Commander]

I kind of disagree with that. Disregarding guerrilla tactics, which Caesar would obviously make use of (Camp Searchlight), and only considering a pure battle between the two groups, BoS simply has no way of counter attack the numbers. Eventually, Caesar would have more soldiers than BoS has ammunition. If you listen to the Black Montain radio, Tabitha berates the mutants for fleeing the Legion. Guys are not a joke.

 

[Einhanderc7]

I kind of disagree with that. Disregarding guerrilla tactics, which Caesar would obviously make use of (Camp Searchlight), and only considering a pure battle between the two groups, BoS simply has no way of counter attack the numbers. Eventually, Caesar would have more soldiers than BoS has ammunition. If you listen to the Black Montain radio, Tabitha berates the mutants for fleeing the Legion. Guys are not a joke.

I completely agree with your assessment, however the Legion does not particularly care about the Brotherhood of Steel, and in all actuality they are not even in conflict. At no point in time in the game does the Legion take hostile action against the BOS.

Considering their low tech methods in all aspects of their culture, the BOS would like wise not find conflict with them either. If anything I could see a beneficial relationship forming between the BOS and Legion factions.

If Caesar played his cards right he could have theoretically found a way to sway the BOS to his side.

 

[Cobra Commander]

BoS stays on theirs and do not interfere with Caesar's agenda in exchange for free pass and confiscation of technology? Yes, this is a possible scenario.

 

[Einhanderc7]

BoS stays on theirs and do not interfere with Caesar's agenda in exchange for free pass and confiscation of technology? Yes, this is a possible scenario.

Yes, but is it Fan Fic worthy?!

 

[lolpop109]

It would be cool if they could of actually bring back the brotherhood of steel in a good way. Maybe somewhere up north.

I think that maybe the botherhood of steel where stronger in NV then most people think. I mean they do have alot of power Armour. They where never main contenders in the game though purely down to man power and out dated idea's. But they where pretty played down overall in NV story

I wonder though if the botherhood where only written into NV story because Bethsda wanted them too. I wonder if obsidian had free reign would they even be included in the game.

 

[Einhanderc7]

It would be cool if they could of actually bring back the brotherhood of steel in a good way. Maybe somewhere up north.

I think that maybe the botherhood of steel where stronger in NV then most people think. I mean they do have alot of power Armour. They where never main contenders in the game though purely down to man power and out dated idea's. But they where pretty played down overall in NV story

I wonder though if the botherhood where only written into NV story because Bethsda wanted them too. I wonder if obsidian had free reign would they even be included in the game.

*Hint* they had a lot of restrictions for the development of the game that were "implied" during the pre-production phase.

 

[R.Graves]

So,

Do you destroy the Brotherhood of Steel, make peace with them, or just ignore them with your games? What do you think their long term prospects in the Mojave are? Do you think if you sound the alarm that any of them will escape or is your Courier the only survivor?

Do you think they should have had an option for Mister House to make peace with them or would they have betrayed him?

What about Caesar?

There definitely should have been an option to give the securitron army to the BOS.

 

[CT Phipps]

There definitely should have been an option to give the securitron army to the BOS.

They would have made an interesting faction to ally with in that situation. Albeit, I think it'd have been interesting to have it as an ending slide:

IF YOU WERE A MEMBER OF THE BOS:

"The Brotherhood of Steel were stunned their newest member had acquired the Securitron army of House and immediately made move to acquire it for themselves. They desired to use it against the NCR and get revenge for their lost brothers West. The Courier was offered a position as Elder and other bribes with the subtle threat the remainder of the Brotherhood would join together to attempt to seize it if they didn't agree."

IF YOU WEREN'T A MEMBER OF THE BOS:

"The Brotherhood of Steel launched an attack on New Vegas to seize the Securitron army but found themselves facing a massive army which resulted in their destruction. No one in the Mojave but Veronica mourned their passing."

 

[Prone Squanderer]

Considering their low tech methods in all aspects of their culture, the BOS would like wise not find conflict with them either. If anything I could see a beneficial relationship forming between the BOS and Legion factions.

If Caesar played his cards right he could have theoretically found a way to sway the BOS to his side.

You don't think very far ahead, do you? Sure, their hatred of the NCR would seem to qualify them for use as proxies. But then what do you do with them? Each paladin is quite powerful. I'd have to be convinced that present benefits outweighed future costs.

 

[NMLevesque]

Considering what a single group of elderly Enclave soldiers could do (hundreds of Legion dead and no casualties in one ending), I don't think the BoS would fare all that badly. They'd lose due to sheer numbers obviously, but it wouldn't be a blowout.