The Guns and Ammo Thread

Springfield M1A? Beautiful thing, and it's not all tarted up with junk.

I am saddened that I won't be able to buy a gun for some time (financial/location reasons), but I'm keen to pick up a 10/22 when I can. Maybe something nice, made by Mossberg.
 
The Fn1910 (WWI starter :wink:) in its original box :) I hope the image size doesn't matter in this thread.
Will post pictures of the unidentified revolver later today. Or tomorrow.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Model_1910
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...65206/Found-the-gun-that-shook-the-world.html

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The kid in this movie is shooting one in the second part of this video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hm4WZpjCYI[/youtube]
 
Was mostly interested in what the accuracy is like?
Saw a documentary wich featured this, or a very similar weapon, wich mentioned that the pistols are quite quirky - that almost each and every pistol pulls excessively to one direction or the other.
 
I have never shot it myself. Seeing that it was in production from 1910 - 1983 suggest to me that it was/ is probably a decent weapon. Perhaps not very accurate because of the small barrel?
I am by no means an expert on the subject so any information is welcome. There is an intriguing bomb symbol* on the barrel as well.
On my version of the pistol is an even more complex 'barrel code' and no 'caliber indication'.

The revolver I'm about to post is even smaller, my grandmothers "handbag gun" :wink:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Browning_FN_1910_img_1630.jpg
 
^such list would be cool/handy

On the bomb are the letters LG next to it an arrow and the symbol of the royal kingdom (an R with a crown above it), the rest I can't decipher.
 
DexterMorgan said:
Anyways, I've been slobbering over this thing for some time now. However, no chance of getting one any time soon :(
Buy a Norinco copy (they're cheap) and then as you get more money available, make some modifications to make it better (like triggerwork etc, since the Norinco is a bit rought standard, but the metal used is great quality).

Mettle said:
Holy shit, that gun's small - have you ever discharged it?
It's not THAT small at all. It's compact size, kinda, but not even close to any concealed carry pistols you'll find in the US etc.

PainlessDocM said:
I have never shot it myself. Seeing that it was in production from 1910 - 1983 suggest to me that it was/ is probably a decent weapon. Perhaps not very accurate because of the small barrel?
It was quite a good and reliable pistol. By modern standards, the power of the cartridge was on the low side, but very pleasant to shoot. Light recoil.
The many decades that this weapon and variants have been produced is a statement to how good the design was.

You can always ask Archduke Franz Ferdinand what he thought of it. ;)

While a long barrel is often associated with accuracy, it actually has little to do with it. The barrel should be sufficiently long for the bullet to grip the rifling and long enough for enough power to be transferred to the bullet, but other than that, accuracy is not affected by barrel length.

Sniper rifles and so on usually sport a long barrel because it allows maximum transfer of power of the burning powder to the bullet. This means more/better propulsion and as such more range.
It is however a misconception that sniper rifle barrels are long for the virtue of accuracy. These barrels are often up to 24", but optimal accuracy can often be achieved as low as 16 to 18" for .308Win.

Anyhow, if you want me to get more technical, I'll explain it better, but for now: no, the barrel shouldn't be longer for better mechanical accuracy.

PainlessDocM said:
I am by no means an expert on the subject so any information is welcome. There is an intriguing bomb symbol* on the barrel as well.
On my version of the pistol is an even more complex 'barrel code' and no 'caliber indication'.
I suspect they're proofing stamps, such as the one on the frame and slide of your gun (the belgian lion etc). If you want specifics, I can ask some friends on a belgian weapon forum for the meaning of each stamp.

PainlessDocM said:
The revolver I'm about to post is even smaller, my grandmothers "handbag gun" :wink:
A vélodog perhaps?

Blakut said:
Where could one find a list of those pictograms on guns that say where the gun was manufactured and such?
Too many variations for one such list to exist.

Besides, these symbols only identify where (and sometimes when) a weapon was proofed, not where it was manufactured or by who. There are other markings on the guns for that purpose.
 
SuAside said:
You can always ask Archduke Franz Ferdinand what he thought of it. ;) + interesting stuff.

Lol indeed.

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SuAside said:
I suspect they're proofing stamps, such as the one on the frame and slide of your gun (the belgian lion etc). If you want specifics, I can ask some friends on a belgian weapon forum for the meaning of each stamp.

Cool, thanks


I took a picture of the symbols:

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SuAside said:
A vélodog perhaps?

"N.Cachoir Bruxelles" and some crazy symbols again but they are fading away, it's also a very old thing.
 
SuAside said:
It's not THAT small at all. It's compact size, kinda, but not even close to any concealed carry pistols you'll find in the US etc.

I'm no expert, but it seems pretty small for a magazineloaded pistol, the only smaller pistols I've seen are derringers.

While a long barrel is often associated with accuracy, it actually has little to do with it. The barrel should be sufficiently long for the bullet to grip the rifling and long enough for enough power to be transferred to the bullet, but other than that, accuracy is not affected by barrel length.

Sniper rifles and so on usually sport a long barrel because it allows maximum transfer of power of the burning powder to the bullet. This means more/better propulsion and as such more range.
It is however a misconception that sniper rifle barrels are long for the virtue of accuracy. These barrels are often up to 24", but optimal accuracy can often be achieved as low as 16 to 18" for .308Win.

Anyhow, if you want me to get more technical, I'll explain it better, but for now: no, the barrel shouldn't be longer for better mechanical accuracy.

I know that ballistic coefficients are involved, and recoil ofcourse - but where would you otherwise get it from? Weight? Or size for better grip?
 
It's not that small. It's only a little bit shorter than a subcompact glock (Thank Gaston that Glock frames a fecking identical), and the barrel is the same length, although I'd say that grip/magwell on the Glock is smaller; there isn't a slot for three fingers on them, though there are attachments for subcompact magazines to add one.


As for the markings, look them up. Some are certainly proof marks, but with that many, I'd bet it passed military proofing as well and may have been used in an actual military, meaning it's got history and is a milsurp fan's wet dream.
 
What? No way. The serial number could potentially allow you to check out exactly where the gun went in it's lifetime.

EDIT: wait I am dumb and read that wrong. Yeah, taking that picture down (or editing the number out) would be a good idea.
 
I've lived most of my life 3 tram stops away from where the assassination took place (I was born in Sarajevo). There used to be iron-cast steps set in the pavement at the place from which Gavrilo fired those shots but they've been removed now. The nearby bridge used to be named after him and most people still refer it to as such, I don't even know the new name to be honest.

EDIT: Strike that, it's actually two tram stops, about 15 minute walk from my apartment.
 
DexterMorgan said:
I've lived most of my life 3 tram stops away from where the assassination took place

Cool

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I could try to make a picture of the symbols on the side but they have partly decayed away.
 
That's an adorable little thing. try and take a few more pictures of it/any markings it has. You'd also do well to clean that poor thing up.

Also, for taking photos, don't use your hand. Stick a pen/knife or something similar in the trigger guard to lift the gun up slightly. Like this: OH wait, I can't find it. Whatever, check gunbroker or some similar sight, it's a pretty common method for getting the gun at an angle.
 
Ok thanks for the tips, how do I clean those things?
I also have a box of stuff I think the previous owner (my great grandfather ) used to make his own ammunition, I have thrown all the explosive stuff away. Don't want to lose any fingers or other appendages :)

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