The Ultimate Movie Thread of Ultimate Destiny

Ben Soto said:
That's just it. It's okay. The other DC films have been straight-up bad. People are praising what seems to be a massive improvement.
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There's where the disconnect is for me personally because I don't see it as a "massive' improvement. It's better than BVS and Suicide Squad, but MOS was a better movie despite that film turning Superman into a brooding idiot.

Wonder Woman has a decent second act and they did a great job at hiding an incredibly bleak message about humanity in a tonally lighter movie, but outside of that, it's the first Captain America movie with a shit ton of Snydervision.
 
The only truly good Marvel movie was the first Captain america movie and Wonder Woman wasn't even directed by Snyder so....

I mean they are all superheroe movies but at least WW wasn't the same regurgitated formula all Marvel Movies have been since the first Avengers.
 
Walpknut said:
The only truly good Marvel movie was the first Captain america movie and Wonder Woman wasn't even directed by Snyder so....

I mean they are all superheroe movies but at least WW wasn't the same regurgitated formula all Marvel Movies have been since the first Avengers.
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Didn't say it was directed by Snyder but it does have his visual style written all over it.

Wonder Woman is about as formulaic as origin stories get and I fail to see how it's any less formulaic than Doctor Strange. The only difference is that she's a woman which doesn't particularly matter to me. It was a film I've already seen multiple times over.
 
It wasn't really like Dr Strange. It isn't stellar film making but it at the very least wasn't the same assembly line Merch commercial as the Marvel movies. And Snyder visual style is good, what's shaky are his narrative skills.
 
He has writen the screenplay of a few, also in the end the way the story or the narrative is conveyed on screen is the work of the director and editor, a script is a base guideline at most.
 
Walpknut said:
It wasn't really like Dr Strange. It isn't stellar film making but it at the very least wasn't the same assembly line Merch commercial as the Marvel movies. And Snyder visual style is good, what's shaky are his narrative skills.
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It followed the same tired origin story beats that Doctor Strange does and was designed to sell merchandise in the same way. If any of the DCEU films have followed Marvel's formula, it's this one. I'm not willing to give Patty Jenkins a participation trophy just because she was able to make a film that wasn't an overly ambitious mess.

On a more positive note, I do think that Wonder Woman will fair better with me than the Justice League movie. My MoviePass has already paid for itself this month and still don't know if I'm going to see it.
 
I enjoyed Wonder Woman well enough for the $8 I spent on the ticket. Certainly more then most of what Marvel or DC have had to offer of late. I think the whole super hero thing peaked for me with 'The Dark Knight' and 'Winter Soldier' for DC and Marvel respectively. Everything else has been much of the same, with the exception of 'Deadpool' and 'Logan', which were very different tonally. The various Iron Man, Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, and assorted XMen movies have all merged into a hyper-kinetic mass of interchangeable plot points for the short attention span set to me. I'm not that interested in watching two hours of assorted darkness punctuated by loud noises to be a Snyder fan, either. Quite frankly, the most I have enjoyed a superhero story of late was probably Will Arnett's take on Batman in the Lego movie.
 
Eh I'm in the same boat for the most part. Took the kids to see Lego Batman and wound up having more fun than they did, but I hold the incredibly unpopular opinion that in the end, The Dark Knight trilogy was incredibly flawed and those flaws were given a pass because it wasn't Shumacher bad (see the pattern?) which kicked off the reboot phase that the industry is still struggling with. Chris Nolan's take on Batman himself was easily the worst part of that series and Zack Snyder's fundamental misunderstanding of not only the source material, but why that trilogy of films was successful in the first place is why the DCEU is in the shape it's in now.

As far this genre goes, I'm far more interested in seeing what Netflix does with The Punisher than Justice League and I'm excited to see what Fox does with New Mutants. It's an X-Men horror movie. We haven't traveled down that path yet.
 
I think I would've enjoyed the Dark Knight movies (exept the third, that one is a turd) if people weren't Rick and Morty Fanboying all over it when they came out. Everybody creaming themselves about "MUH REALISM!" and saying "WHy so serious?" and thinking they were clever.
 
I've watched all the Netflix series, and probably enjoyed the second season of Daredevil the most out of all of them. I am also looking forward to seeing what they can do with the Punisher. Other then Daredevil, I liked much of Luke Cage and parts of Jessica Jones were brilliant. However, the Iron Fist just didn't cut it for me. It's probably some form of comic book heresy to say this, but I thought AMC's Badlands had way better action scenes and more memorable characters, and was more viscerally fun to watch, at least in-between the angsty moments.
 
Watched "Murder In The Orient Express" today. They didn't murdered the story (no pun intended) but they most certainly nearly murdered the character of Poirot by having him inconsecuentially and recurringly look at the picture of an old love interest and even talk to the damned thing. I was like WTF??? He only had one "love" interest in his life and it was completely platonic, this took way too much protagonism in the movie and served no purpose whatsoever. Also, Poirot figthing... yes, they actually involved him in a chase and a fight scene... Poirot...
 
So I bit the bullet and saw Justice League anyway because it was essentially free and it still wasn't worth the cost of entry. They went from a fundamental misunderstanding of why The Dark Knight Trilogy was successful to a fundamental misunderstanding of The Avengers. Ben Affleck phones in his performance, Ezra Miller is fucking cringe worthy and everything about Cavil's Superman in this felt painfully forced, like everyone involved simply threw up their hands and went "see we can do what you want. He's happy now, don't you like it?" This was a far more cynical take on the material than MoS or BVS to me and frankly, it was insulting. Man of Steel and BvS at least had balls. This was a live action Hanna-Barbera cartoon. This is what happens when you kick-off a cinematic universe based on the demands of your shareholders rather than actual interest in the material. Say what you want about Marvel, but they, at the very least, actually like the material and actually give a shit on some level.
When Jason Momoa gives the most believable performance in a movie, you know you're in trouble.
 
"Movies" term includes documentaries, i recon. Me, i love honest documentaries. They allow to understand a bit better about what kind of a world, and what kind of a society, we live in.

May i suggest this one for a starter. It's short, less than half an hour. But for many, an eye-opener.

 
There's also thread dedicated to documentaries in this category: http://nma-fallout.com/threads/.197855
http://nma-fallout.com/threads/.197855
The last post is almost one year old, not sure whether adding some more would be considered a gravedig or not. Here in general movie thread these will be harder to find for anyone though.

Wake in Fright (Australia, 1971)
Very tense, brutal, and depressive flick depicting young teacher being mangled and formed by local customs in native society until he barely recognise himself. Aussie madness at its best, including couple of minutes long scene with ruthless and heart-wrenching kangaroo hunt. You've been warned folks..
 
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